New stadium at the Lane?

[Dkc]

If a new JSS second tier supported by girders isn't viable, I still think John St would still look more pleasing if more seating was incorporated in the existing "upper tier".

If we got rid of those big glass windows in the executive boxes, I think you could build the existing JSS "upper tier" up from two to perhaps seven rows (on a steep rake) with the highest seats being at the top of where the executive box windows are now. This would mean that there there would be 70 seats for each box instead of 20 raising the external capacity from 200 to 700.

It's a lot of work for an extra 500 seats, I know, and it would be cramped. Not all seatholders would be allowed to go in the boxes - they would probably be restricted to the current capacity of 20 (I think it's 20). The other seatholders could be allowed access to the corporate facilities below.

It would also mean that it wouldn't be possible to view the game from behind the glass in the executive boxes, but they would all have TV screens.

Still, loads permitting, 500 extra "premium" seats would raise a fair amount of additional income. Maybe 30-40k per match if they were all sold? And the JSS would look a lot more impressive.

 

[Nade]

Stage 1: Clear the car park behind the Laver stand and build up foundations at the end of the car park for the Laver to be moved.
Stage 2: Get Elon Musk on the blower about developing some kind of contraption that can lift the entire Laver stand and move it backwards 60 yards or so.
Stage 3: Extend the Kop and the Bramall lane end sideways to fill up the gap that moving the Laver has created.

There we go, sorted.

 

[Worksop II]

Stage 1: Clear the car park behind the Laver stand and build up foundations at the end of the car park for the Laver to be moved.
Stage 2: Get Elon Musk on the blower about developing some kind of contraption that can lift the entire Laver stand and move it backwards 60 yards or so.
Stage 3: Extend the Kop and the Bramall lane end sideways to fill up the gap that moving the Laver has created.

There we go, sorted.

No mention of a Directors Bar .... so a no goer .................

 

[Tony]

Get Duckyboy Betts and his "assistant" to come around and check everything is okay.

 

[RedandWhite]

Rebuild the Kop and have it extend further back like Dortmunds. In time rebuild the whole of the south stand including the offices and shop.

 

[Varkanoid]

Probably be expensive and might not even viable but with no room to expand horizontally so you look up and down. Make the car park an underground one would mean you could expand that way and build whatever you want !

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Sticking another tier above the South Stand a la Liverpool would be the easiest and quickest solutions.

My company did most of the early designs for it, so if Kev wants to save money, he could me a brown envelope and I'll nip onto the SharePoint site and download them...

 

[DaveBassettsgoneonholiday]

Stage 1: Clear the car park behind the Laver stand and build up foundations at the end of the car park for the Laver to be moved.
Stage 2: Get Elon Musk on the blower about developing some kind of contraption that can lift the entire Laver stand and move it backwards 60 yards or so.
Stage 3: Extend the Kop and the Bramall lane end sideways to fill up the gap that moving the Laver has created.

There we go, sorted.

Doable, just need to scale the current technology up a smidge.

 

[BushBlade]

Stage 1: Clear the car park behind the Laver stand and build up foundations at the end of the car park for the Laver to be moved.
Stage 2: Get Elon Musk on the blower about developing some kind of contraption that can lift the entire Laver stand and move it backwards 60 yards or so.
Stage 3: Extend the Kop and the Bramall lane end sideways to fill up the gap that moving the Laver has created.

There we go, sorted.

That’s by far the best idea but we’d need to be in the PL for several years and feel fairly established before we could fund it without borrowing heavily (which would be a really stupid idea). And at some point we’d probably have to groundshare.

 

[Ron_Justice]

The discussion gave me an itch I had to scratch Tried to keep things to scale and following existing construction lines - Moved the whole of the lower part of the stand towards the pitch by around 6 - 8 meters(ish). Then the new upper stand starts where the current boxes start and goes back to where the current roof sits above the boxes. Not perfect, but a decent look at what could be.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Sticking another tier above the South Stand a la Liverpool would be the easiest and quickest solutions.

My company did most of the early designs for it, so if Kev wants to save money, he could me a brown envelope and I'll nip onto the SharePoint site and download them...

Sharepoint?

Think I found em!

 

[I should coco]

we could fund it without borrowing heavily (which would be a really stupid idea)

No ambishun!

Little Sheffielders taking over the forum with their common sense and intelligent thinking.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Sharepoint?

Think I found em!

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Considering the fookin half witt who designed it sold his story to The Times and nearly cost us £millions in litigation, that picture is probably a pretty accurate representation

 

[BushBlade]

Sharepoint?

Think I found em!

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That’s not even a joke, I’ve seen ‘sketch designs’ at conception stage that aren’t much better.

 

[BushBlade]

Considering the fookin half witt who designed it sold his story to The Times and nearly cost us £millions in litigation, that picture is probably a pretty accurate representation

What was his story? It must be a good one to get paid for it. Presumably it’s in the public domain.

I’ve got loads of stories but no one wants to pay me for them. Did I tell you about the time Brian Clough wanted to sign me? He said ‘do you like flowers son?’.....

 

[Keen Blade]

We could always try to sell out the home areas in matches against the "other 14" before wasting our neurones on thoughts re the Lane.
And nothing will happen till the court case has finished , whereupon we'll be bought by some intercontinental sheisters who couldn't give a fuck about history & tradition as they build us a pop-up mecanno bowl on some reclaimed landfill near Junction 33 , whilst converting the Lane into a casino & some flats , with an urban golf course as its centrepiece.
So don't waste your breath.
Kev wants his money out in order to (deservedly) retire whilst we are momentarily worth something.
He's our last link with the Lane and it's about to break.
The Lane will stay exactly as it is if we go down - Kev's plans are irrelevant.
Or we'll be flittin' to Catcliffe if we look like staying in the Prem.

 

[BushBlade]

We could always try to sell out the home areas in matches against the "other 14" before wasting our neurones on thoughts re the Lane.
And nothing will happen till the court case has finished , whereupon we'll be bought by some intercontinental sheisters who couldn't give a fuck about history & tradition as they build us a pop-up mecanno bowl on some reclaimed landfill near Junction 33 , whilst converting the Lane into a casino & some flats , with an urban golf course as its centrepiece.
So don't waste your breath.
Kev wants his money out in order to (deservedly) retire whilst we are momentarily worth something.
He's our last link with the Lane and it's about to break.
The Lane will stay exactly as it is if we go down - Kev's plans are irrelevant.
Or we'll be flittin' to Catcliffe if we look like staying in the Prem.

Shysters.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

What was his story? It must be a good one to get paid for it. Presumably it’s in the public domain.

I’ve got loads of stories but no one wants to pay me for them. Did I tell you about the time Brian Clough wanted to sign me? He said ‘do you like flowers son?’.....

Basically it was when it was running behind schedule and then When that wasn't really titillating enough he spouted some bullshit about it being designed and built by a load of Man utd fans...

Think it was in The Times...

I was the HR guy that had to sit him down and tell him his services were no longer required...

 

[BushBlade]

Basically it was when it was running behind schedule and then When that wasn't really titillating enough he spouted some bullshit about it being designed and built by a load of Man utd fans...

Think it was in The Times...

I was the HR guy that had to sit him down and tell him his services were no longer required...

I was on first name terms with all of our HR staff....

My wayward colleague went one better, he was shagging one of them which kept him in the job for longer than he probably should have been.

I missed lesson 1 of ‘how to get on’, which is, of course, don’t rock the boat. But I was never stupid enough to put anything in writing, and certainly wouldn’t have dared speak to the press.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I was on first name terms with all of our HR staff....

My wayward colleague went one better, he was shagging one of them which kept him in the job for longer than he probably should have been.

I missed lesson 1 of ‘how to get on’, which is, of course, don’t rock the boat. But I was never stupid enough to put anything in writing, and certainly wouldn’t have dared speak to the press.

My very first boss taught me the golden rule of HR is if you treat people like adults, they behave like adults. Treat them like kids and they behave like kids. 99% of the time this over a 20 year career, this has proved to be absolutely correct.

This was the one instance when one guy acted like a dick so we just offered him 3 months pay (tax free) to fuck off...

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

That’s not even a joke, I’ve seen ‘sketch designs’ at conception stage that aren’t much better.

I was going to put it on wheels so it was retractable for future development.

Reckon there's a patent there.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

What was his story? It must be a good one to get paid for it. Presumably it’s in the public domain.

I’ve got loads of stories but no one wants to pay me for them. Did I tell you about the time Brian Clough wanted to sign me? He said ‘do you like flowers son?’.....

I suppose he took a shine to your shoes and watch too?

 

[TaxiBlade]

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The discussion gave me an itch I had to scratch Tried to keep things to scale and following existing construction lines - Moved the whole of the lower part of the stand towards the pitch by around 6 - 8 meters(ish). Then the new upper stand starts where the current boxes start and goes back to where the current roof sits above the boxes. Not perfect, but a decent look at what could be.

A few things here.

1. That does look great! - did you do the image Ron_Justice ? If so, is it difficult to do? - see 2.

2. To link in this picture here, it reminded me of this. I always thought the BL would have been better if just carried on building down from the current BLUT front row (much like this picture. It would be great views, and end up close to the pitch. I could draw it, but as you'll see, my sketches don't give any kind of real view.

Can you do the same to see if it would look good? If not too much trouble. (or let me know how and I'll try it)

3. My answer to all this I already wrote, would be minimal disruption, and be a Spurs type Kop, which could be built to any size. see bad drawing, but roughly what would look like. The lower area would have good facilities and the midpoint above is just struts and concrete ...

 

[bromtom]

A few things here.

1. That does look great! - did you do the image Ron_Justice ? If so, is it difficult to do? - see 2.

2. To link in this picture here, it reminded me of this. I always thought the BL would have been better if just carried on building down from the current BLUT front row (much like this picture. It would be great views, and end up close to the pitch. I could draw it, but as you'll see, my sketches don't give any kind of real view.

Can you do the same to see if it would look good? If not too much trouble. (or let me know how and I'll try it)

3. My answer to all this I already wrote, would be minimal disruption, and be a Spurs type Kop, which could be built to any size. see bad drawing, but roughly what would look like. The lower area would have good facilities and the midpoint above is just struts and concrete ...

I like the idea of corners being blended in, but hate the shape of Spurs Kop, just seems like wasted space to me having a peak. You could have it straight across and the tip of the peak you lose would be made up by having seats in the trough.

Plus, wouldn't really fit with the rest of the ground.

Something interesting I realised the other day was on all the plan videos for the redevelopment the carpark is level, and it just occurred to me that they plan to level it off with the mound the Kop is embedded in.

Just thought that was a clever way of avoiding moving a shit ton of earth off site.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Stage 1: Clear the car park behind the Laver stand and build up foundations at the end of the car park for the Laver to be moved.
Stage 2: Get Elon Musk on the blower about developing some kind of contraption that can lift the entire Laver stand and move it backwards 60 yards or so.
Stage 3: Extend the Kop and the Bramall lane end sideways to fill up the gap that moving the Laver has created.

There we go, sorted.

How do you move a stand that has foundations at least 10 foot below ground level ?
When that stand was built it took at least six months to put up the main pillars which hold the roof.There is a phenomenal amount of concrete in the building of that stand.
No way can it be moved !.

 

[TaxiBlade]

I like the idea of corners being blended in, but hate the shape of Spurs Kop, just seems like wasted space to me having a peak. You could have it straight across and the tip of the peak you lose would be made up by having seats in the trough.

Plus, wouldn't really fit with the rest of the ground.

Something interesting I realised the other day was on all the plan videos for the redevelopment the carpark is level, and it just occurred to me that they plan to level it off with the mound the Kop is embedded in.

Just thought that was a clever way of avoiding moving a shit ton of earth off site.

You couldn't build that far back at the JS side which is why I picked it. It would either be curved at one side and square at the SS side where there is more room. Better blend in, the front part with facilities could be built (roughly) like this attachment, then build the back as big as we wish to increase the capacity. Spurs holds about 18k, I don;t think we have the room to fit this, but could probably fit smaller 15k version in.

• All good views where ever you sit, so that would be 15k good views as opposed to 10k crap views
• keeps kop fans together - I imagine the top bit would be the current middle top fans
• building the bottom bit first with facilities would potentially mean not too many seats lost whilst building (I did mention the idea of one season of potential ground sharing, which unpopular as it would be, could fix the temporary loss of capacity,

As for the look, this took me about 3 mins to draw, so not an exact look. I think it would fit in the ground. It's a classic traditional stadium, and this would be a modern part of it, and a nice big kop would solve the issues of capacity,

and if they did the other option I mentioned on JS it would be even better (and that's a cheap build too on the JS, and would increase the capacity slightly, but have lots more good seats)

 

[TaxiBlade]

How do you move a stand that has foundations at least 10 foot below ground level ?
When that stand was built it took at least six months to put up the main pillars which hold the roof.There is a phenomenal amount of concrete in the building of that stand.
No way can it be moved !.

and also, not where the development should be. It's the KOP. Yes JS was built too far back, I said this at the time. I think we're stuck with it now and probably for most of our lifetimes.

Someone earlier mentioned another possibility, digging the pitch up and lowering the ground to fill in the gaps - could solve a lot of the spacing issues at the lane. could also vastly increase the capacity, so the option is always there.

I'd think that digging the ground out by 10 feet would be possibly cheaper than demolished and rebuild JS

 

[Ron_Justice]

A few things here.

1. That does look great! - did you do the image Ron_Justice ? If so, is it difficult to do? - see 2.

2. To link in this picture here, it reminded me of this. I always thought the BL would have been better if just carried on building down from the current BLUT front row (much like this picture. It would be great views, and end up close to the pitch. I could draw it, but as you'll see, my sketches don't give any kind of real view.

Can you do the same to see if it would look good? If not too much trouble. (or let me know how and I'll try it)

3. My answer to all this I already wrote, would be minimal disruption, and be a Spurs type Kop, which could be built to any size. see bad drawing, but roughly what would look like. The lower area would have good facilities and the midpoint above is just struts and concrete ...

Cheers

I made the image yeah - PhotoShop. Basically take the photo of what you want, select the section you want to repeat, copy-paste that section into the area you want it. Use the eraser tool to clean up the edges. Basically....

I'll have a play with the BL stadium and see if I can mock up your vision

 

[Nade]

How do you move a stand that has foundations at least 10 foot below ground level ?
When that stand was built it took at least six months to put up the main pillars which hold the roof.There is a phenomenal amount of concrete in the building of that stand.
No way can it be moved !.

Elon Musk disagrees

 

[bongleblade]

A tad off topic here... but how much would it cost us to replace the pink seats row by row?? I honestly think this would do wonders for the aesthetics of the ground... and would help with presenting our lovely ground in the best light