New Manager ?

[Andy67]

I have been told that wilder is on holiday this week whilst the board make a decision on whether to keep him or not. Not claiming to be ITK however was passed this snip of info last night. Wilder is not happy that it's happening whilst he is away and would rather be here but the board are doing things their own way.

Not sure what to make of it personally

Yes he is and I would be if I didn’t have a child doing GCSE’s. If they want to sack him while he is on holiday that’s their prerogative.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

I don't want to see the same names mooted as possible replacements, it's not easy (if it was then all clubs would be doing the same) but I'd love to see utd scope an entirely new approach. As mentioned by others in the thread, set out a long term strategy of structure, purchasing and development and then scout for the right people to deliver. Call it a vision, long term strategy, whatever but I hope we move away from short termism as that's the only chance for promotion with a chance of competing in the prem.

 

[Andy67]

Most people who have watched us during the whole Wilder era would probably agree that he has balls but unfortunately this season he seemed to have completely lost them altogether. No more so that at Wembley in the 2nd half.

No balls for 20 mins when one player goes down injured another player comes on and is injured and we have 10 players on the pitch when they score that goal. We were scintillating in that first half and were unlucky not to be 3 up.

 

[Andy67]

To get promoted to the EPL you need to be managing in the Championship. Wilder's only had three seasons managing in the Championship with us. First season he finished 10th. Second season 2nd. Third season 3rd with a points haul that would normally get automatic.

Bielsa had 2 seasons at Leeds and was promoted in his second with a more expensive side and he’s treated as a messiah up here.

 

[Andy67]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

Cooper- Leicester

 

[Andy67]

The key to yo-yo being acceptable is going up in convincing fashion, and then at least having an exciting battle to stay up, and eventually managing it , and building a better squad.

Sunderland will have an all time low points and Leeds will be relegated and not close to staying up whereas Burnley have a chance as the bottom six teams in the premier league if they were playing in the championship would have shipped far more than 15 goals.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Bielsa had 2 seasons at Leeds and was promoted in his second with a more expensive side and he’s treated as a messiah up here.

Wilder had the same status here. Now he doesn't

 

[Andy67]

Wilder had the same status here. Now he doesn't

Neither did Bielsa during those few months in the premiership where he wouldn’t sign players or change his style football when they were being beaten every week. They replaced him with Jesse had stayed up. I think fans just like managers to be sacked

 

[Carlton Blade]

Neither did Bielsa during those few months in the premiership where he wouldn’t sign players or change his style football when they were being beaten every week. They replaced him with Jesse had stayed up. I think fans just like managers to be sacked

It comes with the job. People pay their money to support the team, not the manager

 

[Andy67]

It comes with the job. People pay their money to support the team, not the manager

I agree but they have short memories. Most of my mates are Leeds fans and when I remind them they look like centre backs from the 1950s playing with medicine balls

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

I would like to see the season ticket sales at present, I don’t know about many of you but I know quite a few and long standing supporters to boot who will not renew until there is change. I have not renewed as previously said,picking matches will be my mantra.

 

[Danetheblade]

I think he'll get 10 games to prove himself, and if we've not improved from how we played last season he'll be booted.

Which is insanity as we’ll have invested into the squad for players he wanted.

 

[TCsLoveChild]

I would like to see the season ticket sales at present, I don’t know about many of you but I know quite a few and long standing supporters to boot who will not renew until there is change. I have not renewed as previously said,picking matches will be my mantra.

Every Blade I know has already bought their season tickets. No disrespect pal but “picking” matches will end up more expensive than the cheap season tickets bought early. UTB

 

[Dkc]

I would like to see the season ticket sales at present, I don’t know about many of you but I know quite a few and long standing supporters to boot who will not renew until there is change. I have not renewed as previously said,picking matches will be my mantra.

Why bother going at all then with Wilder in charge?

Most fans support the club not the manager. They cheer us the team on whoever's in charge.

If Wilder's not good enough for you I dread to think how you reacter to Weir, Adams, Adkins, Blackwell, Weir etc.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I agree but they have short memories. Most of my mates are Leeds fans and when I remind them they look like centre backs from the 1950s playing with medicine balls

We all look back with nostalgia though, it's part of being a fan.

Managers are handsomely compensated because it's a difficult, unfair job and there are an extremely small number of them available

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Every Blade I know has already bought their season tickets. No disrespect pal but “picking” matches will end up more expensive than the cheap season tickets bought early. UTB

That’s good for the club then. I’m not bothered if it costs a bit more,I get a reduced price one for age related. I know I will have to sit somewhere else probably but I know people around where we sit and there is always spaces

 

[Dkc]

I think fans just like managers to be sacked

Yep. Gives them a bit of hope (often false) and something to talk about.

Plenty of fans wanted to see the back of other successful managers like Warnock, Bassett and Porterfield too. They'd complain that the football wasn't attractive enough, there was 'no plan B' or it was 'time for a change'.

While they may have the odd underachieving season, many people don't realise that long-term managers generally bring greater stability and success. A new manager is always a gamble, and every season 20 of the 23 teams in the Championship will either stay in the same division or get relegated. The odds are stacked against any team that wants promotion.

Wilder has shown that he can regularly build top six teams that may or may not get promoted, but will be challenging. There's no guarantee that a new manager will achieve that - as we clearly saw when we got rid of the managers mentioned above.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Why bother going at all then with Wilder in charge?

Most fans support the club not the manager. They cheer us the team on whoever's in charge.

If Wilder's not good enough for you I dread to think how you reacter to Weir, Adams, Adkins, Blackwell, Weir etc.

What,you enjoy watching that over the last 2 seasons. I’ve stuck through thick and thin and had great times for well over 50 years,the last 2 have been shite,lacking quality, and an atmosphere like a derby and Joan club most of the time . I packed in and picked matches throughout the Adkins,Adam’s,Blackwell years and got my mojo back when Wilder mark 1 came. Hope it happens again.

 

[54yrblade]

Why bother going at all then with Wilder in charge?

Most fans support the club not the manager. They cheer us the team on whoever's in charge.

If Wilder's not good enough for you I dread to think how you reacter to Weir, Adams, Adkins, Blackwell, Weir etc.

Because it's simple choice. 5 matches last season was quite enough. Coming out of the ground unexcited by drab performances is hardly likely to pull us back to watch every home game. I want to look forward to going and that wasn't the case for many others.

Love the club and always will, but not in love with it under Wilder 2.0

There's no way I'm chucking money at a ST while he's still here or until his tactical ability and attitude change. I was 'all in' until the farce of him leaving last time and sacked the ST off after all his talk proved to be just that.

Endless clichés tend to have a very short shelf life, particularly when repeated far too often.
I'm bored by what we are tbh.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[The Crab]

Cooper fell into a good job at Forest with a squad most managers would get promoted and only managed it in by the skin of his teeth.

That’s a lot of skin…

 

[Carlton Blade]

Because it's simple choice. 5 matches last season was quite enough. Coming out of the ground unexcited by drab performances is hardly likely to pull us back to watch every home game. I want to look forward to going and that wasn't the case for many others.

Love the club and always will, but not in love with it under Wilder 2.0

There's no way I'm chucking money at a ST while he's still here or until his tactical ability and attitude change. I was 'all in' until the farce of him leaving last time and sacked the ST off after all his talk proved to be just that.

Endless clichés tend to have a very short shelf life, particularly when repeated far too often.
I'm bored by what we are tbh.

Interesting times ahead.

I agree that I want to see better football. There's no trophies or success beyond promotion and maybe staying up for a season or 2 coming and "win at all costs, you'll pay your money and like what I say you like" isn't enough for me anymore.

I've got my ST this season but as my kids get older and stuff gets more expensive, it's high up the list of things I'll give up if I'm going out of habit rather than really looking forward to exciting matches.

 

[Rudders]

Plenty of fans wanted to see the back of other successful managers like Warnock, Bassett and Porterfield too. They'd complain that the football wasn't attractive enough, there was 'no plan B' or it was 'time for a change'.

Very generous of you to bracket Warnock alongside Bassett, (4 promotion less seasons in the championship was it, promoted with a decent budget and instant relegation back down again). The promotion and triple assault season were good. The rest deeply meh or worse.

I do think managers have a shelf life. The only reason long term managers seem to have better results is that the poor managers in football get sacked quickly.

You can make a compelling case for better ownership and better overall sporting direction (technical director other staff etc) being more important to success than the manager/coach.

I, like many others on this thread, think its long overdue time for Utd to substantially invest in the sporting direction of the club both in staff terms (technical director/analysis/scouting) and infrastructure (training ground/ground upgrades).

We need a modern coaching set up with a gifted first team coach not an all controlling old school manager. It will cost a lot more but we need to do it.

 

[NAnstonblade]

Very generous of you to bracket Warnock alongside Bassett, (4 promotion less seasons in the championship was it, promoted with a decent budget and instant relegation back down again). The promotion and triple assault season were good. The rest deeply meh or worse.

I do think managers have a shelf life. The only reason long term managers seem to have better results is that the poor managers in football get sacked quickly.

You can make a compelling case for better ownership and better overall sporting direction (technical director other staff etc) being more important to success than the manager/coach.

I, like many others on this thread, think its long overdue time for Utd to substantially invest in the sporting direction of the club both in staff terms (technical director/analysis/scouting) and infrastructure (training ground/ground upgrades).

We need a modern coaching set up with a gifted first team coach not an all controlling old school manager. It will cost a lot more but we need to do it.

Last two paragraphs - exactly 'this' for me.

 

[ancientblade]

I would like to see the season ticket sales at present, I don’t know about many of you but I know quite a few and long standing supporters to boot who will not renew until there is change. I have not renewed as previously said,picking matches will be my mantra.

hope youve plenty of cash then will be a shock when you see potd prices

 

[54yrblade]

hope youve plenty of cash then will be a shock when you see potd prices

Potd works out fine if you're picking and choosing games, and I also go to non league or Lge 1 or 2.

Suddenly, you see that there's a football life outside BDTBL. It's really refreshing, once you get away from it.

I'm far from alone there too. It's quite the eye opener when you meet folk from lots of PL/ championship teams who are bored stiff with their own clubs and the 'product' on offer, at some random ground

 

[Carlton Blade]

Very generous of you to bracket Warnock alongside Bassett, (4 promotion less seasons in the championship was it, promoted with a decent budget and instant relegation back down again). The promotion and triple assault season were good. The rest deeply meh or worse.

I do think managers have a shelf life. The only reason long term managers seem to have better results is that the poor managers in football get sacked quickly.

You can make a compelling case for better ownership and better overall sporting direction (technical director other staff etc) being more important to success than the manager/coach.

I, like many others on this thread, think its long overdue time for Utd to substantially invest in the sporting direction of the club both in staff terms (technical director/analysis/scouting) and infrastructure (training ground/ground upgrades).

We need a modern coaching set up with a gifted first team coach not an all controlling old school manager. It will cost a lot more but we need to do it.

Good ownership is the best competitive advantage in all professional sport

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

hope youve plenty of cash then will be a shock when you see potd prices

Not sure what they are,I’ve topped 60 so I get an old buggers discount. See what happens between now and the season start up.

 

[Dkc]

Very generous of you to bracket Warnock alongside Bassett, (4 promotion less seasons in the championship was it, promoted with a decent budget and instant relegation back down again).

You talk about four 'promotionless' seasons in the Championship like it's somehow unacceptable for us not to get promoted.

Warnock started off by stabilising us before the triple assault season (two cup semis and a play off final) then two 8th place finishes before finally achieving promotion. Overall he did an excellent job.

For me, if we are competing for the Championshio play offs it's a decent season. During his time with us Warnock built a team that would finally get promoted in 2006. He did not have instant success, but managers rarely do.

We aren't Arsenal or Man U. A top half finish in the Championship isn't a failure. It's a solid season that we can build on. Relegation would be a failure, but not finishing near the top of the table

 

[Pollingtonblade]

. Overall he did an excellent job

Wouldn't say "excellent" Bassett taking us from the 3rd to the top flight AND keeping us there 4 years working for a bunch of thieves and dodgy penny pinchers was what I'd class as "excellent" my last memory of Warnock is him shitting his pants for a full season away from home and signing players in Jan that were unacceptable signings, then in the week leafing up to Wigan going on about his "deal" unforgivable losing that game

 

[Blade56]

i think the board will stick with wilder but do think if things are not going well after 3 months they will seriously be considering a change

Recipe for a season wasted.

Gamble of changing now outweighs gamble of wasting a season to stand still until we’ve lost parachute payments