New Manager ?

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Ange?

Genuinely, yes please. Would definitely have to close Shoutbox on matchdays though

 

[Hadfield Blade]

Monty too?

 

[Tom Bott]

Leeds have had 4 managers since 2020.

None of these figures include temporary managers...

 

[Tom Bott]

Leicester City have had 5 managers in the last five years.

Soon to be 6.

 

[Frank the tank]

Installing a new manager is like lighting a firecracker. It may go off with a big bang or fizzle out like a dud.

For me, last season wasn't about playing dull football.
It was more walking out of the ground feeling we'd scraped a (lucky)win by the skin of our teeth.
Wilder said that the team were a team of winners and had just got the knack of getting the job done and winning.
Unfortunately this didn't prove to be the case in key games.
Maybe we just got found out by teams like Hull City, Millwall, Oxford, Plymouth and of course Sunderland.
If we repeat the same style and performances next season we may not be lucky enough to get the same results.

Like most football managers, Wilder is a big bullshitter. That is fine and part and parcel of the job.
The problem is, he used to be believable before and backed it up with some convincing successes
But recently he's gone stale and changes the bullshit to suit the results and comes across more as a whinger.

I feel we do need changes and if Wilder stays, he needs to refresh his approach and possibly also refresh his backroom staff.
UTB !!!

The glaring weakness in the side was the centre back partnership
And if wilder isn't layed awake at night, every night riddled with anxiety about why the fuck he persisted with them when every one could see it then he deserves the sack
In fact he deserves the sack anyway ,it was gross fucking negligence

 

[adiosmiamigo]

'To most'

That's fair comment.

 

[Aston max]

Ange?

Yes please at least we wouldn't have to put up with turgid ,horrible football

 

[Wizard]

Yes please at least we wouldn't have to put up with turgid ,horrible football

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

 

[Aston max]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

I do hope you're not another wilder apologist , we all sat and wondered what the hell was happening ? up till xmas fine we all accepted it ( maybe not totally happy with the football but we were top )
I think everyone of us could see the 10m on Cannon was a complete waste of money ,we needed centre half and another winger . So we brought in holding who is a definite upgrade on jlt ( I love Jack but it was time up towards the end of last season And at best would be a injury backup ) we could all see holding needed game time but when he did you could see the quality !! ( I suspect holding was not recruited by wilder )
Play off final love brewsters heart but he should have not been anywhere near starting 11

 

[Nick Jansky]

Move forward.

Definition of move forward.

Several seasons in the PL, rather than yo-yo.

That's based on other peoples desires, I go and judge each game as entertainment.

So do I. And I really didn’t enjoy last season. Going to the Lane is non negotiable for me. It’s been well over 50 years and it’s too ingrained to do otherwise, its actually been the most permanent thing in my life.

But I prefer it when I’m enjoying what I’m watching, and I really don’t care which division we’re in. So last season’s 92 points didn’t do much for me & left me cold. It wasn’t a particularly enjoyable season. I’d have been happier to have finished mid table with an exciting, developing team playing front foot football.

But each to their own.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Yes please at least we wouldn't have to put up with turgid ,horrible football

Absolutely,I would have him in a heartbeat,Spurs got killed with injuries last season,9 and 10 out most weeks. His football is good to watch and a progressive style. I don’t think it would please our “Gerrit forward “ brigade -yes,we do have a good few of those.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Absolutely,I would have him in a heartbeat,Spurs got killed with injuries last season,9 and 10 out most weeks. His football is good to watch and a progressive style. I don’t think it would please our “Gerrit forward “ brigade -yes,we do have a good few of those.

I would also have him. But he won’t be dropping down to our level.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

That will not happen,as you say. We are an attractive club in many ways but I’m afraid Ange would not “get the club “ , so for that reason,I’m out.

 

[The Crab]

I would also have him. But he won’t be dropping down to our level.

He’ll be off to Europe I reckon

 

[Red Hot Currie]

He's off to the Pigs. Surely?

 

[Tom Bott]

It wasn’t a particularly enjoyable season. I’d have been happier to have finished mid table with an exciting, developing team playing front foot football.

Though better than the season before last, Wilder only had some three months to assemble the squad though, and with the fiscal limitations of PA looking to offload the club.
So I say give him another season, after all my prediction from last July was a mid table finish if lucky.
From my earlier posts it seems that 'trying' a new manager every 9/12 months is the current fashion and so we should follow this path whether it brings success or not.

The front foot of football is the expensive and difficult part of the equation, every club seeks that.
The ever elusive 20 goal a season striker that every club craves.

At the start of the season we had a solid defence assembled by Wilder convincing top players to come to the club, though we were short of attacking options and had limited goal scoring options.

Football players are a strange bunch though, take BBD for example, after our last PL season most fans saw his return as a masterstroke, yet his performances were at best mediocre.
Lets blame the manager though..

The same with Leon Clarke, he only scored one goal after we gave him a new contract,
must have been the managers fault...

Ched Evans - on fire after the legal charges were brought, after 2 seasons of mediocrity..

Who shall we blame ?

MAYBE a new manager with a new contract MIGHT bring some added fire for 'x' months or years, but fizzle out like the players mentioned above.

Bearing in mind that we are only likely to attract some of the managers mentioned from the clubs above who have only lasted for 9/12 months on the managerial merry go round .

 

[Silky Sabella]

It’s a question of gambling on Wilders way or a new way to get promotion and stay in the PL.

Do we gamble with Wilder or gamble with a paradigm shift in the clubs history. History says the progressive way wins eventually over the traditional historic culture it’s replacing. The Ludites revolution can be compared to the transformation of high street shops and shopping online.

If he’s stays it will be about his battles, successes and or failures etc.not the clubs best interests. Be aware, it may take more than 1 season to make us fit for purpose.

For me the gamble is worth taking now while we have a year of guaranteed PL money left. It’s not worth the gamble to give him another chance and stand still.

Brilliant post

 

[CornwallBlade]

He brings on O'hare, Brooks, Cannon. It's not like he brings on 3 CB's. This defending a lead thing seems to be getting misconstrued.

Sorry, we dropped our defensive lines back to deep inside our half and stopped pressing. It’s not misconstrued, it happened time and time again last season when we were holding a lead. The personnel aren’t the issue - although I’d argue we were significantly less attack focussed. If you choose to let teams come on to you, as we did many times, you’ll get punished

 

[FTPE]

Sorry, we dropped our defensive lines back to deep inside our half and stopped pressing. It’s not misconstrued, it happened time and time again last season when we were holding a lead. The personnel aren’t the issue - although I’d argue we were significantly less attack focussed. If you choose to let teams come on to you, as we did many times, you’ll get punished

You can't say we stopped pressing when we brought COH alone. He's a one man pressing machine. I get your frustration and we threw a few games away but we got a record points total and a record amount of wins by a single goal.

 

[Yoonitedite]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

Some of us actually do mate.Shock horror.
Don't gaslight people,some of us have views of our own

 

[Nick Jansky]

You can't say we stopped pressing when we brought COH alone. He's a one man pressing machine. I get your frustration and we threw a few games away but we got a record points total and a record amount of wins by a single goal.

Pressing only works when done as a team. If you don’t do that it’s actually counterproductive. So bringing COH on didn’t alter the fact that, as a team, we had stopped pressing.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted.

You speak for yourself, and only yourself, on this. Football means different things to different people. If you don’t care about style of play that’s absolutely fine. But don’t go thinking you have any sort of insight into the complex relationships that other people have with the game because your post demonstrates very clearly that you don’t. I’m guessing that you’re probably quite unimaginative.

 

[GrayBlade]

The glaring weakness in the side was the centre back partnership
And if wilder isn't layed awake at night, every night riddled with anxiety about why the fuck he persisted with them when every one could see it then he deserves the sack
In fact he deserves the sack anyway ,it was gross fucking negligence

There’s an old fella sits in front of us at the Lane. Ex scout for Rotherham and Donny Rovers, looks about 90. He doesn’t say much, swears like a trooper but when he does we listen. Four weeks after loosing Souttar in the Burnley game we were playing Hull and 2-0 down. This has been ******* coming for weeks he said. That CB partnership is just not good enough, we’ve gone from the sublime to the ******* ridiculous. Wilder has a week left to bring in a quality match fit Souttar replacement in or it’ll ******* cost us. I don’t think he spoke again for the rest of the season but he said it all there.

 

[Frank the tank]

There’s an old fella sits in front of us at the Lane. Ex scout for Rotherham and Donny Rovers, looks about 90. He doesn’t say much, swears like a trooper but when he does we listen. Four weeks after loosing Souttar in the Burnley game we were playing Hull and 2-0 down. This has been ******* coming for weeks he said. That CB partnership is just not good enough, we’ve gone from the sublime to the ******* ridiculous. Wilder has a week left to bring in a quality match fit Souttar replacement in or it’ll ******* cost us. I don’t think he spoke again for the rest of the season but he said it all there.

Wise man

 

[robbiez666]

Football players are a strange bunch though, take BBD for example, after our last PL season most fans saw his return as a masterstroke, yet his performances were at best mediocre.
Lets blame the manager though..

So, we can't blame the manager who played him out of position and played him when he clearly wasn't fit?

 

[robbiez666]

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted

I would rather play entertaining football, but be inconsistent, and finish around the play-offs than play turgid boring football and go up.

The vast majority of football fans go to matches in order to be entertained. Or at least, have moments of excitement. Whether that's Barcelona or Hallam.

Our games are so boring that I find it hard to remember many of them.

I'd accept boring football if I knew that it would evolve when we got up, but we all know it would go the other way.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

BBD wasn't played out of position though. We played him right wing and left wing. It's not like he was playing in goal or some shit. He played in positions he's played dozens and dozens of times at this level. His performances were just generally disappointing.

 

[Danetheblade]

BBD wasn't played out of position though. We played him right wing and left wing. It's not like he was playing in goal or some shit. He played in positions he's played dozens and dozens of times at this level. His performances were just generally disappointing.

He played RM/RW this season. He’s never played there before up until the season just gone. He rarely played LW (where he looked decent for us in a shite premier league season) because Wilder opted to play a CM there instead.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

If we were playing 4-2-3-1, he was playing right wing rather than right midfield, although it's splitting hairs somewhat. It's a position he's played plenty of times.

 

[Youngand70]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

Burnleys views on Kompany are now irrelevant as he is now a Head Coach who has won the Bundesliga, due to Bayern having a long standing successful, modernist management and business structure in place which includes a Sporting Director and Head of Team Management under which Kompany works. Hence the fact that despite changing Head Coaches regularly they continue to be the most successful club in Germany with 34 Bundesliga titles and 6 European Cup/Champions League wins. Having the right structure in place enables many clubs to change "coaches" but maintain a consistent level of the overall management and ethos of the club.