New Manager ?

[ATL Recs]

So, we can't blame the manager who played him out of position and played him when he clearly wasn't fit?

So if he wasn’t fit why did the manager want him

 

[ATL Recs]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

We could well have had a Burnley season if he’d got a ready to go replacement for Soutter
He has 6 bloody weeks and money
Rest is history

 

[Danetheblade]

If we were playing 4-2-3-1, he was playing right wing rather than right midfield, although it's splitting hairs somewhat. It's a position he's played plenty of times.

It’s a position he’s never played until he came last season. Hence the “all seasons” option that’s selected in the search.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

It’s a position he’s never played until he came last season.

He's played as a right winger before, as I said.

 

[MayorOJC]

If we were playing 4-2-3-1, he was playing right wing rather than right midfield, although it's splitting hairs somewhat. It's a position he's played plenty of times.

He has played RW plenty of times, but he's significantly less effective there. God knows why Wilder stuck with it.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

I don't think this is entirely true.
There's different sides to it. Both Leeds and Burnley had double our Goal Difference, which has made their seasons have the feeling of steamrollering, rather than just getting over the line.
No doubt our points total was great. But the feel good behind that wasn't what you would have imagined.

 

[54yrblade]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

Wrong. I want to see good football, that might have a chance of raising an atmosphere.

If I'm paying good money, I want to see a good game not yawn worthy performances created by a manager who is happy, or limited to, that.

Daniel Farke managed it well enough.

Wilder 2.0 is incapable of that.
Wilder 1.0 did it but largely at lower levels.
Once our surprise tactic was worked out he's never really recovered since or found something new

 

[CornwallBlade]

As a fan, the biggest buzz for me is celebrating a goal. I want lots of those moments please. If we have more than the opposition, we win and progress. Simple. Grinding out 1-0 by defending a lead for 30 minutes ain’t fun and that’s the reason BDTBL may lack atmosphere.

 

[Danetheblade]

He's played as a right winger before, as I said.

He hasn’t played there effectively. Ever. Hence why he’s a Left Winger.

 

[Blade56]

BBD wasn't played out of position though. We played him right wing and left wing. It's not like he was playing in goal or some shit. He played in positions he's played dozens and dozens of times at this level. His performances were just generally disappointing.

If I’m correct he only played left wing twice all season, the first game back and Wembley

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Burnleys views on Kompany are now irrelevant as he is now a Head Coach who has won the Bundesliga, due to Bayern having a long standing successful, modernist management and business structure in place which includes a Sporting Director and Head of Team Management under which Kompany works. Hence the fact that despite changing Head Coaches regularly they continue to be the most successful club in Germany with 34 Bundesliga titles and 6 European Cup/Champions League wins. Having the right structure in place enables many clubs to change "coaches" but maintain a consistent level of the overall management and ethos of the club.

What is this sorcery you talk of ?
We will have none of this talk here, we are a local club for local people.

 

[ancientblade]

i think the board will stick with wilder but do think if things are not going well after 3 months they will seriously be considering a change

 

[Nick Jansky]

i think the board will stick with wilder but do think if things are not going well after 3 months they will seriously be considering a change

I also think this is the most likely outcome.

 

[UddersBlade]

i think the board will stick with wilder but do think if things are not going well after 3 months they will seriously be considering a change

If after 3 months we are not in top 2 or within 2-3 pts …..wilder will be ‘toast’. Seriously its ’shit or bust’ this season - last year of parachute payments - these guys have not paid £100+ million for a club to be bumbling around the Championship mid table with WBA & Norwich! That is not how cut throat US Businessmen work - very limited patience from my experience.

 

[FTPE]

I would rather play entertaining football, but be inconsistent, and finish around the play-offs than play turgid boring football and go up.

I completely understand the sentiment, but you're picking the best of both worlds. Relative success/safety and entertainment. Who finished in that area you're talking about that will have loved their season? Boro? Their fans seemed fed up all season. Bristol? Good season, that ended in complete embarrassment (can you imagine our fans base if we lost 6-0 in a PO?) Wednesday? You'd swap our season with theirs? One of the best footballing sides I saw at the Lane was Hull, and how they didn't get relegated this season I'll never know.

Basically, you want to look, attack and perform like Leeds but would be happy to lose 10 more games than they did? If Leeds had lost 14 games they would have got through 3 managers last season.

 

[coolasanidiot]

If after 3 months we are not in top 2 or within 2-3 pts …..wilder will be ‘toast’. Seriously its ’shit or bust’ this season - last year of parachute payments - these guys have not paid £100+ million for a club to be bumbling around the Championship mid table with WBA & Norwich! That is not how cut throat US Businessmen work - very limited patience from my experience.

That may well be their psyche, and 'us' as fans dont want to bumbling about with WBA and Norwich, but the only real way to assure success is to 'buy it' not just stamp your feet and moan it's not going great. We've heard jack shit from these owners, and no one knows how deep their pockets are.

For me a good start would be to tell Chris - 'McBurnie scored 3 in 34 matches last season - stats don't lie - forget him, here's 40 million we want a replacement for Souttar and a decent forward- you can keep Gus, Vini and anyone else you need, but at Christmas if not in top 4- we will indeed change tack'.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

Burnley fans were complaining about Parker till they started scoring goals and winning convincingly. United just never improved, in fact there's a fair argument the team got worse

 

[robbiez666]

I completely understand the sentiment, but you're picking the best of both worlds. Relative success/safety and entertainment. Who finished in that area you're talking about that will have loved their season? Boro? Their fans seemed fed up all season. Bristol? Good season, that ended in complete embarrassment (can you imagine our fans base if we lost 6-0 in a PO?) Wednesday? You'd swap our season with theirs? One of the best footballing sides I saw at the Lane was Hull, and how they didn't get relegated this season I'll never know.

Basically, you want to look, attack and perform like Leeds but would be happy to lose 10 more games than they did? If Leeds had lost 14 games they would have got through 3 managers last season.

It might not be the best analogy but if we keep yo-yoing and the season we go up is turgid before a season of getting beaten most games then what's the point?

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

It might not be the best analogy but if we keep yo-yoing and the season we go up is turgid before a season of getting beaten most games then what's the point?

The key to yo-yo being acceptable is going up in convincing fashion, and then at least having an exciting battle to stay up, and eventually managing it , and building a better squad.

 

[FTPE]

It might not be the best analogy but if we keep yo-yoing and the season we go up is turgid before a season of getting beaten most games then what's the point?

Mate, I completely get it.
I hate the Prem. I don't watch it any more. I hate the money, the diving, VAR. I much prefer the Championship, it's carnage (in a good way). The only thing worse than it is getting humiliated, getting relegated, and breaking (negative) records throughout the season. But, there's no enjoyable way to stay mediocre either. There's very few ways to keep the fan base happy if you lose as many as you win. The best thing to come out of this season for me is the Sheffield Double. Both by 1 goal, both scrappy and forgettable, but it just goes to show that winning is more important than we let on sometimes.
My favourite game was Cov at home. We turned up, we played with a confidence and a swagger ("that's my point" I hear you say) but it was wasted and in vain because of the 3 loss week, and the collapse at Wembley. I don't want to sound like my piggy mates and say "it's all irrelevant because you didn't go up" because some of my all time favourite games ammounted to very little in the long term, but without wins, consistency or some small success the fans won't stick around.

 

[OLDBLADE43]

Burnley fans were complaining about Parker till they started scoring goals and winning convincingly. United just never improved, in fact there's a fair argument the team got worse

The team got worse as soon as Souter was injured. We don't know why we didn't replace him at the start of the January window OR who's fault it was Wilder or the board or a committee.

 

[BangorBlade]

Thomas Frank would be a good move but will never happen

 

[Pintor75]

Got a feeling Wilder is going to stay, all the suggestions of new signings, Riis, Galbraith etc, if he was being replaced wouldn't the new manager want a say in who we were looking at or signing?.

 

[Satan's Toilet Blade]

If after 3 months we are not in top 2 or within 2-3 pts …..wilder will be ‘toast’. Seriously its ’shit or bust’ this season - last year of parachute payments - these guys have not paid £100+ million for a club to be bumbling around the Championship mid table with WBA & Norwich! That is not how cut throat US Businessmen work - very limited patience from my experience.

I think he'll get 10 games to prove himself, and if we've not improved from how we played last season he'll be booted.

 

[DifferentClass]

I think he'll get 10 games to prove himself, and if we've not improved from how we played last season he'll be booted.

Your name is a classic

 

[utd4ever]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

Spurs were looking hot until injuries kicked in. They also won a major trophy and will be in the Champions League.

Their fans are the same as West Ham’s, idiots.

 

[Andy67]

Cooper or Dyche are not an upgrade on Chris Wilder…Simple as

Cooper fell into a good job at Forest with a squad most managers would get promoted and only managed it in by the skin of his teeth. He spent a fortune at Forest and survived just and if you ask a Leicester fan (I know a couple) they thought he was shit soon enough. Dyche would be good for us to be promoted and staying up but with Blades fans they’d still complain. Maybe Wilder will be sacked as managers have short shelf lives by the board as they might want to put their stamp on the club however they better have a very good plan as Wilder as worked wonders at this club and I would trust his experience over some rich people (debatable) who think computer signings are the way forward.

 

[Andy67]

It was, sorry if not clear. I was trying to say that we seem to play to a rigid - “get a goal, drop deeper, defend and if we nick another on the break, that’s a bonus” tactic. It’s boring and no way to build a squad capable of PL survival.

Our style of play was set by knill because of the brilliance that Souttar was in in defence and it worked very effectively so no need to change. Souttar wasn’t replaced and we didn’t adapt to another pattern and instead we continued to play the same way. My posts said as much months ago when I said we had the attacking players to play another way. If he’s still here is first job is to get a Souttar style player even if he costs 5m and then look at what areas we need further forward as they will sell and fingers crossed the board don’t bring in another couple of players found in teams from a league in Uzbekistan. Interestingly most on here slated me for berating previous owners but if the board bring in tons of AI players this summer I’ll be going mental again.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Ask a Spurs fan what they thought about their Premier League performances this season. Likewise West Ham fans views on Potter, Southampton - Martin, Burnley - Kompany...

Anyone claiming they care about style of play is lying to themselves. Fans don't care about style of play they just want to win and get promoted. We were competing this year with a Burnley side who's speciality was "turgid" 1-0's this season but I doubt they care and I reckon most people wanting Wilder out would be delighted if we'd had Burnley's season

….is the right answer. We as a fanbase want to see United win first, win entertainingly second and, trust me, I get that.

However, every football manager is aware that the game has radically changed over the last 10/15 years, with the emphasis being driven by huge investment, particularly in the PL. Many Championship clubs are investing beyond their means and the pressure on the manager is more intense than ever with increased media coverage and online forums.

The result is that the game isn’t how, it’s how many.

 

[Andy67]

Make Wilde the DofF? Really, so he can offer Brewster a new deal, re-sign McBurnie (rumour)?

Mousset £10mil - left for free
Freeman £6mil - left for free
Robinson £8mil - left for free
McBurnie - £17mil - left for free
Brewster - £23mil - could walk for free
Osborn £3mil - left for free
Cannon £10mil - still here

That's £77mil spent on players, the majority of whom walked for free and the majority of whom couldn't command a regular starting place.

This is the person you want signing players for someone else? This is who you want in charge of the cheque book.

It's easy to argue that he signed Burrows, Cooper etc... but Wilder's track record with big money signings is God awful and costly.

No thanks.

Some of those players played in the premier league and if you trawl all clubs throughout the football league then you will probably get very similar results to above it terms of profit rates. All the fans trawling released players lists saying they would do a job forfor us. The modern approach is letting contracts run down as players go on a free and they benefit. Players who are squad players are vital do you expect them to play 5 a side in training? They are there to compete for a place in the starting line up, Leeds second goalie was probably the reason they did get over the line eventually.