Motivation of modern footballers

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Anyone know if our players are on a bonus for promotion? I presume they are.
 
vorpal blade said:
Bournemouth went bankrupt, more than once if memory serves.

But sadly TopCat I spose you're right , it doesn't seem to be illegal anymore.....

Did they overspend by the financial fair play rules too?
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Overspent on FFP in League 1 and the Championship, took the fines and moved on, quids in.
 
Sean Thornton said:
What are the Barnsley players doing differently now?
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Woodwardfan said:
My Barnsley pal, who knows his football, reminds me that he had said Barnsley were playing better than their results suggested back in November. He says Johnson had a brain wave, or finally listened to the fans, and started playing two up front. Wignall has limitations and needs the support, then he'll always score goals. They signed Hammill and Aidy White!! "who are far too good for this league". When Johnson left nobody seemed bothered, my pal's still not sure about him!! They've been playing these past few weeks with 5 first teamers missing. Times are good. No secret formula or .rocket science' though!!
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stringjunior said:
There's been a lot of talk about our over paid, under talented team and how it seems some are just happy to take their half a million a year and not put the effort in that's needed.

So how do you motivate a wealthy young man to play with the sort of passion seen in the Deane and Agana era, for example? Premier league clubs have players earning 20 or 30 times more than this and seem to manage it, and Deano and his mates probably earned 30 times less than the current crop and managed it.

As a lad I played sports (badly) because I didnt want to lose, and I suspect 10k a week insulates many of our team from that feeling.

But I have no idea how this could be turned round. Pay much smaller basics and have much larger win bonuses maybe? But we'd never be able to sign anyone on those terms.... Or have a sliding scale of bonuses based on league position? Maybe they already do....

It's difficult, and will get more so as the increased sky money filters down. Any ideas people?
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Financial reward may play some part but I don’t think it’s the answer. They are pro footballers, they’re going to make decent money.


For what it’s worth, I don’t think our players simply “don’t try”. I think they try quite hard but we don’t seem to have that extra 5 or 10% that you get when you’re playing as a team all pulling in the same direction and as a mentally strong group. Weak players are affected by a frustrated crowd (look at the decline of Sammon and even Brayford as the crowd have become pissed off). I suspect some don’t want to play for this manager so whilst they are consciously trying, they lose that extra 5% you get from being happy and enjoying your football. Some don’t do the things that are required to be in the best shape they can be come match day (out on the beer, eating wrong etc.). Adkins ahs talked about the need for players to do that and cites Hammond as an excellent example. I know the same was said of Gray Speed when he was here (apparently he used to go to bed at 9pm every night as part of his regime).


One thing’s for sure, players can’t be disciplined like they were in Bassett’s day. A “Crazy Gang” type dressing room these days would find themselves in legal bother for bullying, assault etc. Warnock seems to have a good handle on managing modern day footballers but even he has bemoaned how hard it is now there is so much player power and said he’s glad he’s not starting out in management the way football is now.


What we need to do (IMO) is to sign players who have that drive within themselves to want to constantly better themselves. We need clean living and model professionalism to become the norm. That will then be the example the academy players see and begin to live by. Unfortunately, at this level, that might mean having to settle for some limited footballers like Dean Hammond. Obviously we need a blend and can’t just have 11 slow, clumsy players getting booked every week but having excellent attitudes. Hopefully, we have some who despite being limited footballers (Hammond, Baptiste etc.) will do what it takes to win, putting their head in where it hurts etc. complimented by some who will learn from their example but also have the ability to make something positive happen (Adams). Then, when a player with potential gets his head down, works hard and becomes a player, this is novel I know but how about WE DON'T FUCKING SELL HIM
 
Top Cat said:
If you can expand and explain how they have broken every rule I will contact the Premier League authorities and blow the whistle on them. Is it OK if I quote you?
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Both Leicester and Bournemouth would have breached the salary cap and been subjected to transfer embargo under Football League rules had they not been promoted. Because they are no longer under Football League jurisdiction they don't get punished by the Premier League.
 
Russ said:
I think he will end up at one of the big clubs or even England manager in a few years. Always speaks sense and seems to gain a lot of respect.
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It’s surprising it didn’t work out for him at Burnley. Were they premature in getting rid? Sean Dyche is doing well though so it’s hard to be too critical. Reading down the thread it seems he had a similar failed jaunt to Portsmouth as a player. Perhaps he’s just destined to be a success for Bournemouth and nobody else.
 
Top Cat said:
If you can expand and explain how they have broken every rule I will contact the Premier League authorities and blow the whistle on them. Is it OK if I quote you?
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They broke Football League rules by overspending to get promotion. But because they were promoted, they no longer fell under Football League jurisdiction so escaped the punishment. Had they not been promoted, they would have been in hot water. They took a gamble and it paid off.
 
Sean Thornton said:
What are the Barnsley players doing differently now?
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Fielding Adam Hammil? His signing was a catalyst in their improvement. But I would also say that they are playing with more belief. That can make a world of difference. Look at us under Clough. Battered 3-0 at Crewe and before too long charging up the league, hammering Brizzle 3-0 sweeping aside Forest and Charlton etc. beating Rotherham with our kids. Momentum and belief can be huge. But, when that’s not there, there has to be, to quote Adkins “grit”, “endeavour” and “determination” to grind out results. It looked like we were starting to see that over xmas. Turned out they were all just trying to earn a shirt for Old Trafford and went back to their sloppy half arsed selves after that.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
They broke Football League rules by overspending to get promotion. But because they were promoted, they no longer fell under Football League jurisdiction so escaped the punishment. Had they not been promoted, they would have been in hot water. They took a gamble and it paid off.
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Is that the same as QPR did?
What happened when they got relegated and are back under the Football League?
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Fielding Adam Hammil? His signing was a catalyst in their improvement. But I would also say that they are playing with more belief. That can make a world of difference. Look at us under Clough. Battered 3-0 at Crewe and before too long charging up the league, hammering Brizzle 3-0 sweeping aside Forest and Charlton etc. beating Rotherham with our kids. Momentum and belief can be huge. But, when that’s not there, there has to be, to quote Adkins “grit”, “endeavour” and “determination” to grind out results. It looked like we were starting to see that over xmas. Turned out they were all just trying to earn a shirt for Old Trafford and went back to their sloppy half arsed selves after that.
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Hammill and White played against us and BFC didn't look anything special. Has going from 4411 to 442 the only thing that's changed them or could it be the players have actually stepped up a gear?

As for us, I'm still amazed that our players are deemed good enough by some. Based on what? Certainly not week in week out performances. Oddly enough when Coutts did start to play a bit fans criticism reduced and then he relapsed.

Damon has truly looked gutted when he's come off and been jeered. Some of the others look like they couldn't care less. Your OT comment looks bang on. I don't know if Adkins can do it, several of our players clearly aren't capable so let's get rid of them first would appear to be sound reasoning.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Hammill and White played against us and BFC didn't look anything special. Has going from 4411 to 442 the only thing that's changed them or could it be the players have actually stepped up a gear?

As for us, I'm still amazed that our players are deemed good enough by some. Based on what? Certainly not week in week out performances. Oddly enough when Coutts did start to play a bit fans criticism reduced and then he relapsed.

Damon has truly looked gutted when he's come off and been jeered. Some of the others look like they couldn't care less. Your OT comment looks bang on. I don't know if Adkins can do it, several of our players clearly aren't capable so let's get rid of them first would appear to be sound reasoning.
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Like I say, for Barnsley I think belief is a big part of it but Hammill in particular has been a very good acquisition for them too. It seems Harry Chapman might also be an astute signing. I think their last minute equaliser against us is seen as something of a turning point for them. they took some confidence from it and kicked on. Let's not forget they have a very young side who are probably more affected by these things than most. Co-incidentally, they also lost the services of Ben Pearson around the time of their improvement. I rate Pearson but perhaps that's what prompted the change to 442 and worked out for the better for them.
 



I have to say I don't buy into the opinion that our players do not try. When I look at them as individual players, I think they should be doing a lot better but I think the problem is that they appear unable to play together as a team. This was highlighted in the game against Burton, individually, their players were no better than ours, but collectively, they played much better as a unit.

One thing I would say though on the general motivation of players is that I cannot understand the player who either moves to a different club or refuses to leave a club purely for monetary reasons and appears quite happy to play in the reserves or sit on the bench rather than move to a club where they are guaranteed first team football even if it's in a lower league.

As a fan, I'd have given my right arm to have played football for a living, even if it was £100 a week playing for some Scottish 3rd division side. I don't understand the like of Delph who went from being a big fish at Aston Villa to playing in City's reserves. He can't have thought for one minute he'd be straight into the first team and now he's likely lost his England place because of it. Our very own Jordan Slew being another example when he moved to Blackburn and ended up at Chesterfield via Stevenage.
 
coaxingstar71 said:
I have to say I don't buy into the opinion that our players do not try. When I look at them as individual players, I think they should be doing a lot better but I think the problem is that they appear unable to play together as a team. This was highlighted in the game against Burton, individually, their players were no better than ours, but collectively, they played much better as a unit.

One thing I would say though on the general motivation of players is that I cannot understand the player who either moves to a different club or refuses to leave a club purely for monetary reasons and appears quite happy to play in the reserves or sit on the bench rather than move to a club where they are guaranteed first team football even if it's in a lower league.

As a fan, I'd have given my right arm to have played football for a living, even if it was £100 a week playing for some Scottish 3rd division side. I don't understand the like of Delph who went from being a big fish at Aston Villa to playing in City's reserves. He can't have thought for one minute he'd be straight into the first team and now he's likely lost his England place because of it. Our very own Jordan Slew being another example when he moved to Blackburn and ended up at Chesterfield via Stevenage.
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Good post.

One thing I think which is sometimes not even talked about is just how purely enjoyable playing football is.

No matter how much you're being paid it seems utter madness to me to not be having a game on a Satdi (and a Tuesdi, and a Satdi, and a Tuesdi...) but if that is the way some people want it then I suppose it's up to them.

(As for Burton - I think it was their 21st 1-0 win this season. We weren't the first team to be less of a unit than they are.)
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Amen to that.
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The players are perhaps trying alright , but not either good enough or all not trying in the same direction . It's like a episode of X files at the lane , with conspiracies all over the place . Makes a yet again dull season , not as boring , as fans watching it pan out.

Will be ok in the end with or without this set of players , and Adkins at the helm.

UTB
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Good post.

One thing I think which is sometimes not even talked about is just how purely enjoyable playing football is.

No matter how much you're being paid it seems utter madness to me to not be having a game on a Satdi (and a Tuesdi, and a Satdi, and a Tuesdi...) but if that is the way some people want it then I suppose it's up to them.

(As for Burton - I think it was their 21st 1-0 win this season. We weren't the first team to be less of a unit than they are.)
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Exactly, there is no greater feeling than smashing the ball in the back of the net.

I watched that programme on Rooney and thought it was great when Moyes said he had problems stopping him playing footie in the street with his mates in between playing games and training for Everton.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Have a closer look Sean, loan extensions and an odd permanent deal after a loan spell I would imagine.
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Seven signings since Jan 2nd. That's not including Aidy White and if you take Khan and the lad from Halifax out that's still five, including Ashley Fletcher, who I would suggest is better than any of our youngsters. So things have changed, as well as the formation.
 
stringjunior said:
There's been a lot of talk about our over paid, under talented team and how it seems some are just happy to take their half a million a year and not put the effort in that's needed.

So how do you motivate a wealthy young man to play with the sort of passion seen in the Deane and Agana era, for example? Premier league clubs have players earning 20 or 30 times more than this and seem to manage it, and Deano and his mates probably earned 30 times less than the current crop and managed it.

As a lad I played sports (badly) because I didnt want to lose, and I suspect 10k a week insulates many of our team from that feeling.

But I have no idea how this could be turned round. Pay much smaller basics and have much larger win bonuses maybe? But we'd never be able to sign anyone on those terms.... Or have a sliding scale of bonuses based on league position? Maybe they already do....

It's difficult, and will get more so as the increased sky money filters down. Any ideas people?
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How can they not be motivated? They're in a job doing what they have spent their entire childhood dreaming about. If I was in their position I would be doing everything I could to achieve the most out of my career, playing wise. Sadly the only players who have that sort of motivation are found in the top leagues and not in league one.
 
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Woodwardfan said:
Whether you're an amateur or earning £300k per week like Rooney, there is still that magic that can exist in some dressing rooms where all your team mates seem to be gifted, good sorts and have that easy banter and the manager has that X Factor and is downright inspirational. Rightly or wrongly any human being cannot help but be inspired and have a sense of being an important part of a special group and just can't wait to play it all out when the game kicks off. The home crowd is optimistic and can't wait to back the team and laud them to the rafters.

Then there are those other dressing rooms where nobody speaks, there's a tense, blame culture even before the game starts. The manager is insecure and feels unpopular, can't get his messages across. The home crowd has been hostile for weeks and is champing at the bit to hurl more abuse at these overpaid prima-donnas not fit to wear the shirt.

In League 1 there are teams in positions 1 to 24, all battling under different circumstances and on match day I bet not one player thinks about his wage level.
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On match day they do . Before and after the match , and if things ain't going right on the field of play . The thought of a number of players , fuck me he is earning twice as much as me , and not doing his job .

Also echoed in the normal work place sometimes as well , by normal Joes , not footballers.

Perhaps could be another part of the route cause at the Lane.

No doubt will all be changed in the summer , when all players use the musketeers moto .


UTB
 



1danewhitehouse said:
Fielding Adam Hammil? His signing was a catalyst in their improvement. But I would also say that they are playing with more belief. That can make a world of difference. Look at us under Clough. Battered 3-0 at Crewe and before too long charging up the league, hammering Brizzle 3-0 sweeping aside Forest and Charlton etc. beating Rotherham with our kids. Momentum and belief can be huge. But, when that’s not there, there has to be, to quote Adkins “grit”, “endeavour” and “determination” to grind out results. It looked like we were starting to see that over xmas. Turned out they were all just trying to earn a shirt for Old Trafford and went back to their sloppy half arsed selves after that.
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Good post . Hammil is definitely the catalyst of the good run. Perhaps with all the chasing and hype , Adkins and blade fans , thought the same about Hammond effect. Common denominator , both second names begin with H .

UTB
 
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