CONFIRMED Max Lowe joins Forest on loan

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I'm sure I'll fuck off soon

This site has always been welcoming to supporters of other clubs provided they're respectful and contribute well. There will always be the odd forum member that isn't welcoming but once we get used to the new poster things tend to settle down.

There are exceptions though; pig fans and that twat HammerInPeace

 

[Houston_Blade]

Forest fan here with a first post so hopefully not going in too controversially with post 1.

Lowe couldn't really get in because Colback was playing so well. Can't see him joining as a first choice given his injury record. For me we would only pay the premium to retain some of the squad that went up last season as the whole squad is very different. We have a similar situation with keinan davis and if I could pick one to spend that premium on it would be him.

I think we could pick up a better squad player than Lowe for less personally.Later in the window I reckon you might take less, if it means you can sign one of league ones best players for instance.

How mad is the preseason before the prem by the way? Everyone is £20m!!!! I feel uncomfortable not to be taking on 12 olympiakos cast offs. Still time in the window yet mind.

Just buy McBurnie for £20m and you'll be fine.

 

[Snowflake]

So you get Lowe, and we get somebody from League One with the proceeds?
Cool.

That’s where several of our best players came from.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

That’s where several of our best players came from.

Maybe, and we can do that again. Point is, we don't want Forest saying ' Here's 10 bob, run along and get a league one player, we'll have this lad' .
They can cough up up, or piss off.

 

[Addison]

"The joint fee was £6.8m, with performance related additionals of £3.75m. I was told that by an SUFC official of the time.

Even though Bogle was regarded as the more valuable asset, the initial fee was spilt 50-50 across the two players, most likely to avoid paying too much to Swindon as they had a profit clause on him.

The 15% sell-on clause is on the profit above the initial fee, so if Lowe (or Bogle for that matter) is sold for more than £3.4m, Derby will see 15% of the rest. For example, Lowe goes for £5m (not saying he would!) DCFC cop for £240k."

Taken from Derbys forum. If true the reported £10m joint fee looks to be accurate with add ons unless we deliberately sent Lowe out on loan to reduce them. The £5 million fee we are looking for is getting our money back.

Florist fans are so predictable. Look at their forum thread on Lowe from January to March and he's the best LWB in the Championship. Now post injury and they've finally got to the EPL he's not worth £3 mill and Colback is better. Time for the Trees to get in the real world where EPL fees are concerned. They squeezed £3.5 mill out of us for Osborn a squad player in a lower end championship team. Yet a player who has played in the EPL and helped them get promotion is valued at a lesser figure. Pay the money or do one.

I'd rather we keep him and give him a go next season than let that shower have him at a cut price deal. I suspect the Prince feels the same as the negotiations for Ramsdale showed.

 

[sheffieldred]

Significant injury concerns are a reason to devalue a player though aren't they? If you were looking at a player and thought you might only get half a season out of him, you wouldn't go for the first asking price which based on his initial fee etc seems like the £5m being quoted.

Ben Osborn is actually a close example to how a good deal can be done. Most forest fans thought... reasonable fee for him, good move for him and a reasonable player for you. If max lowe hadn't been injured then I'd be paying the £5m. But wouldn't you then be asking for 10. It's a mad old game.

 

[bertieblade]

He has had one injury during his time with forest and is now fully fit or would not have played in the play off final.
Since joining us, he has played EPL and statistics confirm that he is one of the best players in his position in the championship.

Forest are trying to say that his value has gone down Because he has been injured, I would say that is more than countered by his performances since he joined us, subsequently a minimum of £5m plus performance related bonuses is not unrealistic.

I do take exception to someone coming on our board telling us what one of our players is worth and then rubbing our nose in it by telling us that it will enable us to buy div 1 players.

 

[sheffieldred]

Not rubbing your nose in it and apologies if it comes across that way. What I was trying to suggest is that if say £3m was the difference between you signing a prospect to really impact your squad, you might be suggestible to getting a lower price for lowe.

League One a bit irrelevant. Could have said france or Germany. In my mind I was trying to think of championship clubs bidding for the best players in league one.

Not even kicked a football in the prem and I'm patronising you haha.

 

[Snowflake]

He has had one injury during his time with forest and is now fully fit or would not have played in the play off final.
Since joining us, he has played EPL and statistics confirm that he is one of the best players in his position in the championship.

Forest are trying to say that his value has gone down Because he has been injured, I would say that is more than countered by his performances since he joined us, subsequently a minimum of £5m plus performance related bonuses is not unrealistic.

I do take exception to someone coming on our board telling us what one of our players is worth and then rubbing our nose in it by telling us that it will enable us to buy div 1 players.

He had two separate injuries during the season missing many weeks in total

 

[robbiez666]

He's 25 now. Not like he's a bright young prospect. If the options are to take 3 million or have a huffy lwb who might not start, it's a no brainer.

 

[Old Programme seller]

There’s a few things that will set the price and one will be how much other LB will be that Forst go for if they were to enquire about premier league LB’s then £5 million is a snip, after a full medical and based on age and fitting into the squad then £5million is quite risk free imo but personally I’d keep him and sell Stevens

 

[Grumps]

Just been told by a Olympiacos supporter in Greece that Baldock has signed for them

 

[Gin&Juice]

Just been told by a Olympiacos supporter in Greece that Baldock has signed for them

I was told he’s joining them. Should be in our media in the next few days.

 

[sheffieldred]

Any idea on £m for GB? How do you rate him compared to max lowe? Know they are different players.

 

[Blade58]

Just been told by a Olympiacos supporter in Greece that Baldock has signed for them

Didn’t think that would happen tbh

Good luck to him if true. Been a good servant to the club

Deal might free up some funds for a signing?

So who will be the back up to Bogle then seeing as two for every position is Heckys preference? Another signing or academy step up?

 

[metalblade]

See this is the legacy of Kevin McCabe who crumpled at the first sign of another club flashing a bit of cash for our players.
NEWS FLASH we have a different owner now who is a bit more realistic on how life works, we will no longer be giving our players away pay the market price or fuck off. What more proof do you need that the scabs have been away from the Premier League even longer than the pigs and are totally out of touch with today's prices. £20m don't get you much, to think you can just go and pick up a player for £3m and a bucket of KFC is laughable, want anything decent and you need to start around £10m. I would say £5m for Lowe to a Premier League team is more than reasonable ......................... don't like it? Then take a fuckin walk.

 

[Balham]

The deal for Lowe can work for both parties. Initial fee £3m with achievable add-ons based on his and Forest's performance next season to take it to £5m if, say, they get more than Derby's 11 points and he plays 10 games. Further add-ons and sell ons to take the total deal to £8-10m and everyone's a winner. Including Forest's best left back, Jack Colback, who can go back to being a central midfielder.

 

[Yogi]

Any idea on £m for GB? How do you rate him compared to max lowe? Know they are different players.

Baldock is a better player than Lowe imo creatively he’s hit and miss as an attacking wingback but defensively he held his own and often got the better of some top wingers in the prem. He’s deserving of playing international football and won’t embarrass himself especially as Greece are a defensive side.

 

[Chingo]

Not rubbing your nose in it and apologies if it comes across that way. What I was trying to suggest is that if say £3m was the difference between you signing a prospect to really impact your squad, you might be suggestible to getting a lower price for lowe.

League One a bit irrelevant. Could have said france or Germany. In my mind I was trying to think of championship clubs bidding for the best players in league one.

Not even kicked a football in the prem and I'm patronising you haha.

You sell Brennan Johnson for 5 million and buy one of the top end championship players , same thing as you are saying cos he will only be a squad player at Spurs

 

[skyjam]

Just been told by a Olympiacos supporter in Greece that Baldock has signed for them

thank fuck

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Not rubbing your nose in it and apologies if it comes across that way. What I was trying to suggest is that if say £3m was the difference between you signing a prospect to really impact your squad, you might be suggestible to getting a lower price for lowe.

League One a bit irrelevant. Could have said france or Germany. In my mind I was trying to think of championship clubs bidding for the best players in league one.

Not even kicked a football in the prem and I'm patronising you haha.

Part of the reality of being promoted to the PL, as we found, is that sellers and agents know you’ve got money to burn and play hard ball. For Lowe some of it will depend if we need to generate money from player sales and we’re desperate otherwise why would we let you have him for less than we think we can get? We’re not in the business of doing you, or indeed any other team, favours.

 

[Frank the tank]

Don't sign him then ,jack colback will get ragged inside out in the premier league and so will your glacier paced back 3
Not like Spence will bail them out

 

[Grappler]

Any idea on £m for GB? How do you rate him compared to max lowe? Know they are different players.

Just watch the second leg, at your place again, the game where we beat you in normal time (lost on pens), you'll get a good idea what George is all about.

 

[sheffieldred]

Part of the reality of being promoted to the PL, as we found, is that sellers and agents know you’ve got money to burn and play hard ball. For Lowe some of it will depend if we need to generate money from player sales and we’re desperate otherwise why would we let you have him for less than we think we can get? We’re not in the business of doing you, or indeed any other team, fafavours.

I would say you owe us a favour for paying a chunk of luke freeman's wages for a year(!)

With that in mind let's just settle on a bag of scratchings and tell them to draw up the contracts

 

[EddieColquhoun]

With that in mind let's just settle on a bag of scratchings and tell them to draw up the contracts

Always been indifferent to Forest, but the arrogance of their fans in the last month or so is second only to our South Barnsley neighbours (I've even seen them on twitter boasting that they are massive).
My Mum always used to say "Pride comes before a fall".

 

[Frank the tank]

Always been indifferent to Forest, but the arrogance of their fans in the last month or so is second only to our South Barnsley neighbours (I've even seen them on twitter boasting that they are massive).
My Mum always used to say "Pride comes before a fall".

I saw an article about Spence which claimed spurs are interested but not yet made a bid

All the comments from there fans underneath were about them signing players like Gareth bale

They make the pigs look meek

 

[Champagneblade]

Forest fan here with a first post so hopefully not going in too controversially with post 1.

Lowe couldn't really get in because Colback was playing so well. Can't see him joining as a first choice given his injury record. For me we would only pay the premium to retain some of the squad that went up last season as the whole squad is very different. We have a similar situation with keinan davis and if I could pick one to spend that premium on it would be him.

I think we could pick up a better squad player than Lowe for less personally.Later in the window I reckon you might take less, if it means you can sign one of league ones best players for instance.

How mad is the preseason before the prem by the way? Everyone is £20m!!!! I feel uncomfortable not to be taking on 12 olympiakos cast offs. Still time in the window yet mind.

I think you've got to be expecting to pay about the same for what we paid you for Ben Osborn. Not sure how much that was reported from the Forest side, 3.5m to 4m?

He had a good season with you, albeit interrupted.

I imagine this preseason will be partly exciting with the exponential amount of links to new signings but also very frustrating. Wages are a big jump plus everyone knows you have 'new money'.

Also I'd imagine there will be some challenges that it doesn't look like you will be able to just keep the loan players and 5 is quite a few to get in to replenish your team, to the levels of the playoffs even before you think of improving it.

It seems there is an acceptance that Spence is not coming, Garner may get a chance at Man U and it isn't clear what happens to Zinkenargal. You'd expect Davis and Lowe if you're prepared to meet valuation.

Samba situation seem odd. Just got to the top level yet can't wait to jump ship. We loved Henderson and surprised his stock has fallen to joining a newly promoted team. He was linked with Newcastle and their project not long back. When we wanted him, Man U were looking at 30-40m and more but it seems he's been quite error strewn for them but he was very good for us.

Gibbs-White is an interesting one. Not clear on Wolves' intentions. No brainer for me they should be keeping him especially with some other players out of favour (Traore), aging (Moutinho) and linked elsewhere (Neves). It would be daft but he doesn't speak Portuguese so you never know! He does have some development. He can give the ball away a bit and it takes longer to get it back at PL level. You really do get punished for turning over the ball. His tricks and flicks were great when they came off. It seems all media driven the links. Maybe agent looking to get him an improved deal.

Such fine margins. Can't say I'm not a little envious. Were it not for Samba's Inspector Gadget legs in extra time, roles would have been reversed.

One thing I would say, the journey in the PL was far better than the destination. After a while the games you simply can't win and the constant cheerleading of the usual favorites plus the obscene wages you can't keep up with does start to grate.

 

[Champagneblade]

Any idea on £m for GB? How do you rate him compared to max lowe? Know they are different players.

To be fair most Blades haven't seen Max Lowe all that much, but Baldock has been an excellent and competitive defender for United for a few years now. Yes he can do more in the final third at times but so can many, but this can be said of many defenders who are asked to play wing back, however he's an excellent defender. He's not terrible going forwards as you can see from the Play Off second leg.

I doubt Lowe would ever have been talked of at the same levels as Baldock; the latter is much more established and has a far more reliable body of work. The only downside in terms of cash is that Baldock is now 29. On the flip side he can claim to be a full International now he has Greek citizenship and I don't think they conceded in the 4 games he played so he's taken to it very well.

Most would be neutral on Lowe leaving. We have plenty of left back options, 2 internationals in Norrington-Davies (Wales) and Stevens (RoI) as well as Osborn who can play there and even a young lad called Boyes who is maybe 12 months away.

On the right Bogle is better going forwards and improving defensively. He would have been spoken in similar circles to Spence if he hadn't been injured. He was exceptional around January but he's had a few injuries as many of our players did so I'd be surprised if we let Baldock go though this could be one of the last chances to cash in and remove a decent wage. Personally I'd go the other way and be happy for him to be here for another 5 years.

 

[JOEYDEE]

I would say you owe us a favour for paying a chunk of luke freeman's wages for a year(!)

With that in mind let's just settle on a bag of scratchings and tell them to draw up the contracts

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I think you've got to be expecting to pay about the same for what we paid you for Ben Osborn. Not sure how much that was reported from the Forest side, 3.5m to 4m?

He had a good season with you, albeit interrupted.

I imagine this preseason will be partly exciting with the exponential amount of links to new signings but also very frustrating. Wages are a big jump plus everyone knows you have 'new money'.

Also I'd imagine there will be some challenges that it doesn't look like you will be able to just keep the loan players and 5 is quite a few to get in to replenish your team, to the levels of the playoffs even before you think of improving it.

It seems there is an acceptance that Spence is not coming, Garner may get a chance at Man U and it isn't clear what happens to Zinkenargal. You'd expect Davis and Lowe if you're prepared to meet valuation.

Samba situation seem odd. Just got to the top level yet can't wait to jump ship. We loved Henderson and surprised his stock has fallen to joining a newly promoted team. He was linked with Newcastle and their project not long back. When we wanted him, Man U were looking at 30-40m and more but it seems he's been quite error strewn for them but he was very good for us.

Gibbs-White is an interesting one. Not clear on Wolves' intentions. No brainer for me they should be keeping him especially with some other players out of favour (Traore), aging (Moutinho) and linked elsewhere (Neves). It would be daft but he doesn't speak Portuguese so you never know! He does have some development. He can give the ball away a bit and it takes longer to get it back at PL level. You really do get punished for turning over the ball. His tricks and flicks were great when they came off. It seems all media driven the links. Maybe agent looking to get him an improved deal.

Such fine margins. Can't say I'm not a little envious. Were it not for Samba's Inspector Gadget legs in extra time, roles would have been reversed.

One thing I would say, the journey in the PL was far better than the destination. After a while the games you simply can't win and the constant cheerleading of the usual favorites plus the obscene wages you can't keep up with does start to grate.

Nicely balanced post, which I mostly agree with.
It's worth noting that our time up there sadly coincided with the pandemic so we lost a lot of the memories and the advantage our home crowd may have played.
We also went about 20 games without a win and only had 1/2 points at Christmas. We all had to watch these games unfold from our unchairs.
So our perspective of the PL is badly impacted.
The first season, when things were normal and we were flying, was incredible.