Matt Done

[Snowman]

Breaking news. He's not all that good. Scoogs did everything he does and more (scored a goal). We need better and Tufty knows it. He won't be in the team come next year.

Betcha!

 

[Pinchy]

Betcha!

Certainly.

 

[biggey blade]

sitwell you have totally just picked the bits you want to hear there haven't you. I mentioned it looked like we missed him yesterday and that it would be a shame for him to get dropped did I not? I was just saying who do you drop for him to get a place when he is back? For me he isn't a striker and that's just how I feel I think he does a lot of running and no one can knock his work rate but I just don't think he is prolific enough in front of goal for him to be classed as a striker. So while he is out I'd give lavery a go and see what he can do he seems to look quite good when he had played the last couple of matches. And yes sitwell you are right we have the second highest goal tally and how many of them has done scored is it 3? I am not trying to argue I am just saying my opinion he is a decent player for this league with his work rate and running but for me he needs to find another position he can play because for me he isn't a striker.

 

[Pinchy]

No actually he doesn't. He is in the team because he allows us to press the opposition - we don't have a huge goal scoring crisis so who cares if our 'second striker' hasn't scored loads.

Tufty, that's for sure. He'll want more than two goals from a striker. There are players out there who can press and score goals as well. Forgive me for suggesting an obvious area of improvement.

 

[Pinchy]

sitwell you have totally just picked the bits you want to hear there haven't you. I mentioned it looked like we missed him yesterday and that it would be a shame for him to get dropped did I not? I was just saying who do you drop for him to get a place when he is back? For me he isn't a striker and that's just how I feel I think he does a lot of running and no one can knock his work rate but I just don't think he is prolific enough in front of goal for him to be classed as a striker. So while he is out I'd give lavery a go and see what he can do he seems to look quite good when he had played the last couple of matches. And yes sitwell you are right we have the second highest goal tally and how many of them has done scored is it 3? I am not trying to argue I am just saying my opinion he is a decent player for this league with his work rate and running but for me he needs to find another position he can play because for me he isn't a striker.

3? 3? You flatter him!

 

[Snowman]

Certainly.

I know where you are coming from Pinchy with your views on Done, but at the moment he brings what is needed to a Wilder team and at the moment without further improvement in personnel, he will be missed. For the record, I think if we fail to be promoted this year he will go, to be replaced by the type of player you believe should occupy his position. (second striker). If we are promoted I think he will be retained until at least January. My bet would therefore appear to rest on promotion. £50.00 he is retained on contract by the club for the first game of the 2017/18 season. That ok or do you want to modify it? proceeds to Children's Hospital or Bluebell Wood.

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

Sorry if this has already been posted but how long is he likely to be out for?

And do we know how he broke his jaw? Has Billy chinned him for not passing to him in a training game?

tried to steal a signed copy of "Box to Box" from the club shop - Curtis caught him

 

[Lane Ender]

sitwell you have totally just picked the bits you want to hear there haven't you. I mentioned it looked like we missed him yesterday and that it would be a shame for him to get dropped did I not? I was just saying who do you drop for him to get a place when he is back? For me he isn't a striker and that's just how I feel I think he does a lot of running and no one can knock his work rate but I just don't think he is prolific enough in front of goal for him to be classed as a striker. So while he is out I'd give lavery a go and see what he can do he seems to look quite good when he had played the last couple of matches. And yes sitwell you are right we have the second highest goal tally and how many of them has done scored is it 3? I am not trying to argue I am just saying my opinion he is a decent player for this league with his work rate and running but for me he needs to find another position he can play because for me he isn't a striker.

There is no other position for Done except for up front.
The graft he puts in is unreal and I saw enough when Clough was here to see he'll get get on the scoresheet regularly.
He's a finisher make no mistake.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Anyone with half a brain and no agendas knows how instrumental Matt Done will be through the season and appreciate his contributions so far.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

The only thing that matters is that Wilder rates Done,in fact i would suggest that he is one of half a dozen who are certain of a place if fit.The strange thing is that so is Basham,but it is all about opinion and there is history of many players being selected in successful teams who didn't seem good enough,if they do what the manager asks of them then they get the shirt !!

 

[PeteBlade]

Tufty, that's for sure. He'll want more than two goals from a striker. There are players out there who can press and score goals as well. Forgive me for suggesting an obvious area of improvement.

You're very confident that you know the mind of a manager you thought was bang average and not good enough for the job a few months ago.

 

[Gimli]

Tufty, that's for sure. He'll want more than two goals from a striker. There are players out there who can press and score goals as well. Forgive me for suggesting an obvious area of improvement.

I have no issue with you suggesting areas for improvement - guessing this is a reference to another thread - but I just happen to disagree that this is an area in need of improvement.
Done plays a very important role in the team - I also disagree that Wilder is concerned about his lack of goals as you suggest as he starts Done every week when fit.

 

[Ricky]

Just because we're on a good run doesn't mean every player is perfect. Done's been the best option alongside Sharp so far but we do need to look to improve on him. Hopefully we already have that player in Lavery.

The lack of goals is quite a big issue. Sharp's not going to score in every game. We don't have a great deal of goalscorers elsewhere in the team. If you've got a striker who'll score 20+ and are going for promotion you generally need the strike partner to score roughly 1 in 3 if you've not got a great deal of goals from midfield. Done should be able to do that, he's proven he can sniff out chances, but his composure lets him down and he's certainly not a finisher. And playing alongside Sharp, the chances Done might typically get will often fall to Sharp. They generally score similar types of goals.

Then there's his all round limitations. The fact that his closing down and fitness/work rate is by far his biggest asset doesn't say much about his ability, as does the fact that he only seems to be able to play up front. He can't hold the ball up, link play, take players on or create for himself. If he could do just one of those things it'd make a big difference.

He's a good player to have in the squad and will make a big contribution, certain games are made for him, but as the season goes on I'd expect to see him starting on the bench more often than not if we're going for the top two.

 

[Ranmoorblade]

Fortunately he's not broken it, small fracture. Hoping to be ready for next league game.

A fracture is a broken bone.

 

[RealMcCoy]

And no one on here thinks we should drop Billy?

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Top four teams 3 highest scorers:

Scunny 14, 8, 5
Bolton 5, 4, 3
Bradford 5, 4, 4
Blades 10, 3, 3

So it's only scunny that don't have a similar issue to us

 

[Bert]

Top four teams 3 highest scorers:

Scunny 14, 8, 5
Bolton 5, 4, 3
Bradford 5, 4, 4
Blades 10, 3, 3

So it's only scunny that don't have a similar issue to us

And that's why they are top, not 4th

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

And that's why they are top, not 4th

Yeah, I know, I'm taking about the other 2

 

[Bartyblade]

Ah yes, the Scunny that have only played 2 of the current top 6, both at home, and drawn both.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Reckon Done has a place in the squad with his energy and hassling the defenders and he seems to have formed a good partnership with Billy. He's also been close to a few more goals and with slightly better finishing / offsides etc he could be on 6/7 goals.

On the plus side hopefully Lavery gets a look in now... He must be raring to go after a slow start to his career here and hopefully a couple of starts and he can show what he can do.

 

[Pinchy]

I have no issue with you suggesting areas for improvement - guessing this is a reference to another thread - but I just happen to disagree that this is an area in need of improvement.
Done plays a very important role in the team - I also disagree that Wilder is concerned about his lack of goals as you suggest as he starts Done every week when fit.

....when Clarke and Lavery are not.

 

[Pinchy]

You're very confident that you know the mind of a manager you thought was bang average and not good enough for the job a few months ago.

Its really common sense, isn't it? Or are we to add a preference for non-scoring strikers to all the other S2 peculiarities?

I shan't change my mind about Done. I wish he was as good as 'bang average'. He might score a bit more often.

Tufty will replace him, at the very latest, by January. Earlier if Lavery and Clarke get fully fit before then. I'm pleased about that because I want our team to improve. Some don't care about that imperative, as long as their parochial favourites are in the team. Odd bunch.

 

[Pinchy]

I know where you are coming from Pinchy with your views on Done, but at the moment he brings what is needed to a Wilder team and at the moment without further improvement in personnel, he will be missed. For the record, I think if we fail to be promoted this year he will go, to be replaced by the type of player you believe should occupy his position. (second striker). If we are promoted I think he will be retained until at least January. My bet would therefore appear to rest on promotion. £50.00 he is retained on contract by the club for the first game of the 2017/18 season. That ok or do you want to modify it? proceeds to Children's Hospital or Bluebell Wood.

The difficulty is I agree with your proposition, so would be a foolish bet on my part. I dont say he wont be in the squad; I say he'll start less than half our games from February 1st onwards.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Its really common sense, isn't it? Or are we to add a preference for non-scoring strikers to all the other S2 peculiarities?

I shan't change my mind about Done. I wish he was as good as 'bang average'. He might score a bit more often.

Tufty will replace him, at the very latest, by January. Earlier if Lavery and Clarke get fully fit before then. I'm pleased about that because I want our team to improve. Some don't care about that imperative, as long as their parochial favourites are in the team. Odd bunch.

Don't necessarily think Done is the best striker in the world but I think more than it being because he's a "parochial favorite" I suspect the support he'd getting owes more to the fact him and billy upfront have coincided with our decent 11 game unbeaten run. I do think he fits into the type of intense game Wilder likes to play.

Thought Clark would be a good striker at this level as he's proved with his goal record but i'd question if he fits into the way wilder likes to play other than as a plan B and to provide a different option up top. Hopefully we see the best of him and play to his strengths and him being in the side doesn't mean we go back to taking the easy option and punting it 70 yards to him

 

[Pinchy]

Not happy unless you're slagging either a player of the fans of sufc off are you ?

I'm very happy with the team and Tufty. We have to look to improve continuously though. That means replacing players with better ones from time to time. Looking at our team, the guy up front who chases around a lot but to no real effect and scores fewer goals than a centre-back, seems an obvious consideration to me.

As for the fans, a minority are unpleasant, abusive, Neanderthals. A much larger section think football is a game to be watched in monastic silence, punctuated by self-entitled moaning at the opportune moment. Sorry, 'best fans in the land'....

 

[Tyler Durden]

You're very confident that you know the mind of a manager you thought was bang average and not good enough for the job a few months ago.

He descending further into self-parody all the time, and plenty are picking up on it.

 

[Pinchy]

Thought Clark would be a good striker at this level as he's proved with his goal record...Hopefully we see the best of him and play to his strengths and him being in the side doesn't mean we go back to taking the easy option and punting it 70 yards to him

Well, I'll be the first in the car park if that happens! I think I have mentioned from time to time that it's not my cup of tea.

Tufty knew, though, how he was going to play when he signed Clarke, so I doubt he would deliberately revert to discredited, grotesque, alehouse Hoof. The harder bit is to prevent limited players from taking the easy way out, whether under pressure or not, by doing just that. That takes time.

 

[sitwell]

sitwell you have totally just picked the bits you want to hear there haven't you. I mentioned it looked like we missed him yesterday and that it would be a shame for him to get dropped did I not? I was just saying who do you drop for him to get a place when he is back? For me he isn't a striker and that's just how I feel I think he does a lot of running and no one can knock his work rate but I just don't think he is prolific enough in front of goal for him to be classed as a striker. So while he is out I'd give lavery a go and see what he can do he seems to look quite good when he had played the last couple of matches. And yes sitwell you are right we have the second highest goal tally and how many of them has done scored is it 3? I am not trying to argue I am just saying my opinion he is a decent player for this league with his work rate and running but for me he needs to find another position he can play because for me he isn't a striker.

Sounds like you plan your football on football manager ,striker doesn't mean he just plays in one position and goes for goal ,it doesn't matter who scores the goals ,without Done we create less chances therefore score fewer goals. I don't care if he doesn't get another all season ,the goals are getting shared out which is a much better scenario ,than just relying on the 'strikers'.

 

[Esablade]

Well, if ever there was a good time to get an injury like this, it's now, with the two cup games coming up...hopefully back soon.

I' m more concerned about Lavery and Clarke getting fit and having some competition up front...Scoogs did very well Saturday, but there will be games where he's more ineffective against some of the more 'clod-hopper' teams.

 

[Gimli]

I understand why you want Clarke in the team as he is a better goal scorer than Done, but it seems a bit of a contradiction for someone who bemoans the neanderthalic alehouse style of football to advocate playing Clarke - when he played the style of football was garbage.