Matt Done

[biggey blade]

sitwell yes you are totally correct I plan plan my football on football manager what was your thought on baxter again? O yeah that's right you didn't like him but your opinion is ok to be said but as soon as anyone else says there opinion on a player if it isn't what you want to hear you go off on one. I never said done didn't create chances you are just picking and choosing what you want to hear all I said is done doesn't score enough goals for me to be played as one of the two strikers I said we missed him at times yesterday and I said it would be a shame for him not to be in the starting line up, but like I said he doesn't score enough for me to be classed as an out and out striker. Thought everyone was entitled to there own opinion but obviously not. I was just saying I think it gives the other strikers some time to show us what they have on offer and see if they improve the team what's so bad about that? We have a good squad now and competition for places is a good thing I thought but obviously your so in love with done you can't see past him.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I don't think it's particularly controversial to think that Done can be improved on. By all accounts that's why Lavery was brought in, as he has similar attributes on the face of it.

That being said, Lavery still looks quite far off dislodging Done based on what I saw Saturday. And Done, while not scoring regularly, is playing an important part in our current approach. Though not an irreplaceable one...

 

[Bartleby]

3? 3? You flatter him!

it would have been a lot more if he timed his runs so didn't keep getting caught offside. I did think we missed him a bit on saturday, we didn't have anyone else pressing the defenders all the time like he does, except for Lavery a bit when he came on.

 

[RammyBlade]

I don't think it's particularly controversial to think that Done can be improved on. By all accounts that's why Lavery was brought in, as he has similar attributes on the face of it.

That being said, Lavery still looks quite far off dislodging Done based on what I saw Saturday. And Done, while not scoring regularly, is playing an important part in our current approach. Though not an irreplaceable one...

Difficult to see if Lavery is up to dislodge Done on the basis of a few minutes on the pitch although I thought he looked really good when came on at Bradford. I did feel though that we really missed Done on Saturday with his chasing which allowed franchise to pass the ball around unhurried at the back which Done's pressure doesn't allow as much. I think we really need both Done and Clarke back to give us that competition and different styles and we are now at the bare bones with strikers unless Clarke returns soon .

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Difficult to see if Lavery is up to dislodge Done on the basis of a few minutes on the pitch although I thought he looked really good when came on at Bradford. I did feel though that we really missed Done on Saturday with his chasing which allowed franchise to pass the ball around unhurried at the back which Done's pressure doesn't allow as much. I think we really need both Done and Clarke back to give us that competition and different styles and we are now at the bare bones with strikers unless Clarke returns soon .

The fact that we were having to play Scougall up top just highlights what a couple of injuries does to our options – that said, Scougall did admirably, but we can't rely on that for more than a handful of games.

 

[Revolution]

The fact that we were having to play Scougall up top just highlights what a couple of injuries does to our options – that said, Scougall did admirably, but we can't rely on that for more than a handful of games.

the other thing that caused this is shipping out three forwards - all of whom are currently fit - and replacing them with two forwards, one of whom is injured (back luck) and one of whom hasn't had a pre-season and is not trusted to start (foreseeable).

Luckily, two weeks between league games may help us a bit. Scougall also filled in excellently so well done to him.

 

[sheffielder]

the other thing that caused this is shipping out three forwards - all of whom are currently fit - and replacing them with two forwards, one of whom is injured (back luck) and one of whom hasn't had a pre-season and is not trusted to start (foreseeable).

Luckily, two weeks between league games may help us a bit. Scougall also filled in excellently so well done to him.

Wilder was obviously not sold by Adams, never started him in pre-season and was happy to let him go. McNulty was given a fair chance and the most he contributed was whispering on the sideline and appeared to me to be enjoying our bad start (might be a bit harsh). We have not lost since McNulty left. DCL, well you just don't turn down that type of money for a striker who would still be 4th or 5th in line to play.

It's not always about their ability, but you only need 1 or 2 bad eggs round the camp and this turnaround never happens.

 

[sheffielder]

I don't think it's particularly controversial to think that Done can be improved on. By all accounts that's why Lavery was brought in, as he has similar attributes on the face of it.

That being said, Lavery still looks quite far off dislodging Done based on what I saw Saturday. And Done, while not scoring regularly, is playing an important part in our current approach. Though not an irreplaceable one...

If I was Wilder, I would be looking at a midfielder and maybe seeing if I can improve the fullback positions if I can. The one position we definitely need someone is a 5th striker and the quality of that striker is dependent on what we get out of Clarke and Lavery between now and then, however I would like someone who plays like Done, but is who offers a bit more quality to the running.

The injury has come at a bad time for Done (and us)

 

[sitwell]

sitwell yes you are totally correct I plan plan my football on football manager what was your thought on baxter again? O yeah that's right you didn't like him but your opinion is ok to be said but as soon as anyone else says there opinion on a player if it isn't what you want to hear you go off on one. I never said done didn't create chances you are just picking and choosing what you want to hear all I said is done doesn't score enough goals for me to be played as one of the two strikers I said we missed him at times yesterday and I said it would be a shame for him not to be in the starting line up, but like I said he doesn't score enough for me to be classed as an out and out striker. Thought everyone was entitled to there own opinion but obviously not. I was just saying I think it gives the other strikers some time to show us what they have on offer and see if they improve the team what's so bad about that? We have a good squad now and competition for places is a good thing I thought but obviously your so in love with done you can't see past him.

Grow up ,its called debate ,just because you argue the merits of a player doesn't mean you love him. Take the word striker out of it ,that might help. Stats aren't everything ,what were you saying when Billy went a few games without scoring ?

 

[Revolution]

Wilder was obviously not sold by Adams, never started him in pre-season and was happy to let him go. McNulty was given a fair chance and the most he contributed was whispering on the sideline and appeared to me to be enjoying our bad start (might be a bit harsh). We have not lost since McNulty left. DCL, well you just don't turn down that type of money for a striker who would still be 4th or 5th in line to play.

It's not always about their ability, but you only need 1 or 2 bad eggs round the camp and this turnaround never happens.

The counter argument is we currently have one fit striker.

 

[sheffielder]

The counter argument is we currently have one fit striker.

But we have a team that's working. McNulty has and will always have a tool missing from the box. If he found it, yes he should still be here. As it is we need team players.

 

[Revolution]

But we have a team that's working. McNulty has and will always have a tool missing from the box. If he found it, yes he should still be here. As it is we need team players.

It didn't need to be McNulty. It could be any one of them. Plus you could have signed someone who's actually fit.

 

[biggey blade]

sitwell you are correct it is a debate and I am not trying to cause an argument I was just putting my opinion out there that's all.

 

[Darthblade]

I agree he's probably not good enough for the Championship, nuisance factor only in the dying minutes of games or, more likely, sold to a club looking to get out of L1.
And it seems from CW's approach that now Scougall is in possession of the shirt it's his to lose.
But it's good that if Scougall gets injured or loses form we have someone of Done's quality to step in. Of course, we could give one of the kids a run instead.

This is ( I would hope ) certainly one of the areas to be addressed in January ...... that is a goal-scoring striker with a good workrate to compliment Sharp upfront.

UTB & FTP

 

[BushBlade]

This is ( I would hope ) certainly one of the areas to be addressed in January ...... that is a goal-scoring striker with a good workrate to compliment Sharp upfront.

UTB & FTP

I suspect all those who ignore the cuts we made in the summer to drastically reduce our wage bill and the sales we had to make to pay for new signings and think Kev and Poundland are going to give CW tons of money to spend on more players are going to be disappointed.

From the wish lists of players I've seen today alone we're probably looking at over £2m plus big wages unless CW/AK/PM can find some incredible bargains. But, of course, I hope some smart arse bumps this in Jan when we've just made our fifth signing.

 

[Ricky]

I suspect all those who ignore the cuts we made in the summer to drastically reduce our wage bill and the sales we had to make to pay for new signings and think Kev and Poundland are going to give CW tons of money to spend on more players are going to be disappointed.

From the wish lists of players I've seen today alone we're probably looking at over £2m plus big wages unless CW/AK/PM can find some incredible bargains. But, of course, I hope some smart arse bumps this in Jan when we've just made our fifth signing.

After all these years in this division and the boardroom complacency that's led to it - with the Blackman sale perhaps epitomising it better than anything - I really would expect them to provide backing in January if we look like we're in a position to get automatic promotion. It would be criminal if they didn't. But nothing would surprise me, or anybody.

 

[BushBlade]

After all these years in this division and the boardroom complacency that's led to it - with the Blackman sale perhaps epitomising it better than anything - I really would expect them to provide backing in January if we look like we're in a position to get automatic promotion. It would be criminal if they didn't. But nothing would surprise me, or anybody.

I wouldn't call it complacency as such, just very inconsistent.
I think the sale of Blackman was to fund the signings of Murphy, Higginbottom, Robson, Forte and Poleon. Basically DW1 thought he could swap Blackman for Murphy and strengthen us with the rest (because we did need strengthening) but got it badly wrong.

 

[Ricky]

I wouldn't call it complacency as such, just very inconsistent.
I think the sale of Blackman was to fund the signings of Murphy, Higginbottom, Robson, Forte and Poleon. Basically DW1 thought he could swap Blackman for Murphy and strengthen us with the rest (because we did need strengthening) but got it badly wrong.

I'd say it was complacency from the board, and a shocking lack of commitment. We were in the top two in a very poor division. Shaun Miller had just got a bad injury, and Blackman was our outlet and only remaining attacking threat. He was performing already, it was a big risk to swap him for Murphy and expect the same results. What we should've done is had them two in the same team, they would've both been better for it, but we never think like that. It was a perfect example of our persistent refusal to stretch just that little bit more. It's why we're still in L1.
It was still early on in our stay in L1 and they probably thought we'd get promoted soon no matter what. How wrong they were, and how they paid for that shortsighted sale.

 

[BushBlade]

I'd say it was complacency from the board, and a shocking lack of commitment. We were in the top two in a very poor division. Shaun Miller had just got a bad injury, and Blackman was our outlet and only remaining attacking threat. He was performing already, it was a big risk to swap him for Murphy and expect the same results. What we should've done is had them two in the same team, they would've both been better for it, but we never think like that. It was a perfect example of our persistent refusal to stretch just that little bit more. It's why we're still in L1.
It was still early on in our stay in L1 and they probably thought we'd get promoted soon no matter what. How wrong they were, and how they paid for that shortsighted sale.

If KM had been prepared to stomach a bigger loss in the first season we were down here, we'd have gone up and he'd have lost less. A lot less than he has.

 

[robbiez666]

He had a few unusual breaks now hasn't he? Jaw, Collar Bone and rib?

 

[wizadry]

I obviously don't know for definite but for me we would not be unbeaten in 11 league games if Matt Done had not been playing, it's a team game and he has contributed hugely to the team performances.

As for people complaining about his running around aimlessly, that for me is complete garbage, he does some great running off the ball and also makes some great runs that a lot of the time doesn't get picked up, leading to him being caught offside a lot.

I suggest to the Matt Done doubters that you actually sit/stand and watch him and look at what he brings to the team instead of what he doesn't, we'd all like him to score more but we are winning and he's contributing to that so I couldn't give a flying fuck who scores, we're scoring plenty so why the need to bring lack of goals into the debate?

 

[Darthblade]

I suspect all those who ignore the cuts we made in the summer to drastically reduce our wage bill and the sales we had to make to pay for new signings and think Kev and Poundland are going to give CW tons of money to spend on more players are going to be disappointed.

From the wish lists of players I've seen today alone we're probably looking at over £2m plus big wages unless CW/AK/PM can find some incredible bargains. But, of course, I hope some smart arse bumps this in Jan when we've just made our fifth signing.

This is, of course, the big problem.

Proven goalscorers cost money and we are going to need one either in January or CERTAINLY in the summer if we were to achieve promotion this season.

I'm not at all sure that bargains can be had in January, particularly with this seasons dodgy transfer windows, so this could be an interesting time to see how much stomach there is within the Board to finally escape our self-imposed exile in L1

UTB & FTP

 

[BushBlade]

This is, of course, the big problem.

Proven goalscorers cost money and we are going to need one either in January or CERTAINLY in the summer if we were to achieve promotion this season.

I'm not at all sure that bargains can be had in January, particularly with this seasons dodgy transfer windows, so this could be an interesting time to see how much stomach there is within the Board to finally escape our self-imposed exile in L1

UTB & FTP

Who knows? I just hope they remember the lessons of the past. Throwing money at it doesn't guarantee promotion and if you sign players you have to keep paying them until their contracts expire, whether we go up or not.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Who knows? I just hope they remember the lessons of the past. Throwing money at it doesn't guarantee promotion and if you sign players you have to keep paying them until their contracts expire, whether we go up or not.

You're right BB, but a point arrives where a club has to make a considered judgement about who they need to sign. This is where the quality of decision making is crucial, and I'd like to think that between Wilder and Knill they can identify the type of player who'll fit into the style of play that's serving us so well. All good players work hard, and it's clear that whoever Wilder wanted would have this quality to underpin their goal-scoring credentials.

 

[BushBlade]

You're right BB, but a point arrives where a club has to make a considered judgement about who they need to sign. This is where the quality of decision making is crucial, and I'd like to think that between Wilder and Knill they can identify the type of player who'll fit into the style of play that's serving us so well. All good players work hard, and it's clear that whoever Wilder wanted would have this quality to underpin their goal-scoring credentials.

Obviously the board and the management team have to make decisions about who to sign and who to sell. But in the past these decisions have been taken with too much optimism and not enough consideration of the potential negative consequences of not getting promotion.
If we sign players and increase the wage bill so that the owners have to put large amounts in to keep us going, the owners have to realise that we may not go up this season and they may have to cover the losses again next year and add to those losses whilst CW is addressing the reasons why we didn't go up. That's fine if they're prepared to do that.

Wilder is a good manager but he will make mistakes and not all of his signings will work out. Do we really want a re-run of the Clough/Adkins era where Clough spent all the money then Adkins is expected to manage a group of players brought in by someone else, whilst trying to get enough players off the wage bill to bring other players in? Or where CW is hampered by having to ship players out at the end of the season so he can rebuild again? Because that usually means selling our best players.

I haven't got a problem with the club gambling if they're prepared to accept the potential losses but I don't want to have another JTW where we go mad chucking millions at Brayford types only to panic when we don't go up and start selling again. It contributes to our instability which in turn contributes to our repeated failures.

I expect sensible, sustainable recruitment in the JTW, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[BLADES1988]

 

[itsinyerblood]

Obviously the board and the management team have to make decisions about who to sign and who to sell. But in the past these decisions have been taken with too much optimism and not enough consideration of the potential negative consequences of not getting promotion.
If we sign players and increase the wage bill so that the owners have to put large amounts in to keep us going, the owners have to realise that we may not go up this season and they may have to cover the losses again next year and add to those losses whilst CW is addressing the reasons why we didn't go up. That's fine if they're prepared to do that.

Wilder is a good manager but he will make mistakes and not all of his signings will work out. Do we really want a re-run of the Clough/Adkins era where Clough spent all the money then Adkins is expected to manage a group of players brought in by someone else, whilst trying to get enough players off the wage bill to bring other players in? Or where CW is hampered by having to ship players out at the end of the season so he can rebuild again? Because that usually means selling our best players.

I haven't got a problem with the club gambling if they're prepared to accept the potential losses but I don't want to have another JTW where we go mad chucking millions at Brayford types only to panic when we don't go up and start selling again. It contributes to our instability which in turn contributes to our repeated failures.

I expect sensible, sustainable recruitment in the JTW, nothing more, nothing less.

If Wilder's dealings so far are evidence of his canny, almost cautious, approach to transfer signings then I don't think any of us need fear we'll repeat the mistakes of the past. CW made this as clear as day when he was first interviewed so I doubt he'll suddenly lose his grip and spend money we can't afford. My point is that given where we are, in the thick of the promotion pack and looking capable of challenging for an automatic place. No givens you understand, but if we can't back Wilder now, with his record relatively sensible spending, then we might as well resign ourselves to remaining in this division, unless, of course, CW feels this squad is more than capable of delivering what we all want.