Incoming? Lee Gregory

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Smirth said:
Because he was showing flashes of how good he was. He would have been given more and more game time and established himself, it’s generally what happens with young players as talented as him. His illness stopped him in his tracks.
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Working out well for DCL too!
 



Ricky said:
You know full well I was referring to transfer fees. It's you who's twisting things. Whatever we've spent in total on Woodburn and McGoldrick is peanuts compared to what we got for Brooks.

Got to pounce on any opportunity to make excuses for the club though. I would've got bored of doing that long ago. In fact, I used to to a large extent... but eventually you wake up.
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Do you think we have separate pots of money for fees / loan fees / wages or do you think they they all come out of the same bank account? Where am I making excuses for anything? Just debunking the absolute drivel you continue to spout. You may notice, if you look really carefully, that I havent said we have reinvested well, have spent the brooks money well or even that I am over the moon with our transfer business. Can you imagine why that might be? Go on, have a wild stab in the dark.

Its possible to be unhappy / worried without making a post every 27 seconds about and acting like some footballing manager messiah you know.... give it a whirl.
 
S5Blade said:
Do you think we have separate pots of money for fees / loan fees / wages or do you think they they all come out of the same bank account? Where am I making excuses for anything? Just debunking the absolute drivel you continue to spout. You may notice, if you look really carefully, that I havent said we have reinvested well, have spent the brooks money well or even that I am over the moon with our transfer business. Can you imagine why that might be? Go on, have a wild stab in the dark.

Its possible to be unhappy / worried without making a post every 27 seconds about and acting like some footballing manager messiah you know.... give it a whirl.
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I'm afraid you haven't debunked any of my "drivel".

You focus on the fact we've inevitably spent bits of money rather than the overriding reality that our current reinvestment level is completely unacceptable. That seems very defensive of the club to me, and excusing their failure to spend more.

If you aren't happy with our business it is possible to say so. Give it a whirl. You never know, it might be quite liberating.
 
Ricky said:
That seems very defensive of the club to me, and excusing their failure to spend more.
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Seemed to me that the Club tried quite hard to spend more - but the prices/wages demanded by our targets were even more than the planned (increased) budgets for transfers and wages.

What would you do - enter some sort of auction where the prices spiral ever upwards/
 
Nick Jansky said:
I think you underestimate the average kid, then. Just a plea to drop the name calling, there's absolutely no need and the only result is that folk take your views less seriously.
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I'm not bothered who takes my views seriously or not on an internet forum
 
Coily said:
So why come up with it?
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It's mainly those who keyboard attack members who suggest ways forward that they don't agree with. If any suggestion of change or a critical view evokes such a reaction they must be happy with the status quo
 
Eric Cartman said:
I'm not bothered who takes my views seriously or not on an internet forum
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Got to disagree, the forum facilitates an iterative process to develop views and expectations of self and others that will/could ultimately affect attendances.
 



Harrisblade said:
Seemed to me that the Club tried quite hard to spend more - but the prices/wages demanded by our targets were even more than the planned (increased) budgets for transfers and wages.

What would you do - enter some sort of auction where the prices spiral ever upwards/
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I'd much rather us stick with our previous policy of signing young and/or hungry players from League One. OK, they don't always come off but would much rather that than just leaving gaping holes in the team on the basis that there is no one we can afford who would instantly make us better. I totally get Wilders view, but if we bring in someone to develop then in time they improve and will take the place of a Sharp of a Clarke, as opposed to flogging those two and Duffy until they'e past it and then not being able to replace them with a like for like quality (quality when they were decent/younger) and then us having to rely on loans.

Difference between me and many on here is that I don't believe Leon is at the point where he's losing it, I just think he isn't and has never (if you look at his career) being consistent for long periods and we need to have an option off the bench, like we did with Donaldson last season but he was obviously older and not someone you could develop.

NOW is the time to act and get a Charlie Wyke or and Tom Eaves (Gillingham) or whoeever Wilder feels is the right guy to succeed Leon. If they don't make it then they'll always be people who will take them off us on loan or permanent, Ok, we'd make a loss but if we can't increase the budget in the forthcoming years than I don't see any option, unless we just sign one marque player per window and that player could well be on too much more than the rest.

It seems Egan was our marque signing but for me we needed that marque signing on a centre forward but Wilder would no doubt say we needed a centre half and we cannot afford to sign a Waghorn irrespective of whether Egan arrives. I'd rather the first approach of buying from League One, but that's the two options as I see it.

I wonder if the signings of Leonard, Evans, Lundstram and Holmes, and they're general struggle to adjust to the level, have put off Wilder signing more from League One? Again, I get that but I still can see all but Holmes adjusting - in time. Holmes just hasn't being given a chance, for whatever reason and why he hasn't gone to Oxford yet is bemusing as that was supposed to be happening late last week. Could Wilder be waiting on an incoming loan before letting him leave?

I think its important not to field too many League One signings at once, especially if they're similar players which Evans and Lundstram are. When only one of them has played alongside Fleck, they've generally done much better.
 
Booker4 said:
I'd much rather us stick with our previous policy of signing young and/or hungry players from League One. OK, they don't always come off but would much rather that than just leaving gaping holes in the team on the basis that there is no one we can afford who would instantly make us better. I totally get Wilders view, but if we bring in someone to develop then in time they improve and will take the place of a Sharp of a Clarke, as opposed to flogging those two and Duffy until they'e past it and then not being able to replace them with a like for like quality (quality when they were decent/younger) and then us having to rely on loans.

Difference between me and many on here is that I don't believe Leon is at the point where he's losing it, I just think he isn't and has never (if you look at his career) being consistent for long periods and we need to have an option off the bench, like we did with Donaldson last season but he was obviously older and not someone you could develop.

NOW is the time to act and get a Charlie Wyke or and Tom Eaves (Gillingham) or whoeever Wilder feels is the right guy to succeed Leon. If they don't make it then they'll always be people who will take them off us on loan or permanent, Ok, we'd make a loss but if we can't increase the budget in the forthcoming years than I don't see any option, unless we just sign one marque player per window and that player could well be on too much more than the rest.

It seems Egan was our marque signing but for me we needed that marque signing on a centre forward but Wilder would no doubt say we needed a centre half and we cannot afford to sign a Waghorn irrespective of whether Egan arrives. I'd rather the first approach of buying from League One, but that's the two options as I see it.

I wonder if the signings of Leonard, Evans, Lundstram and Holmes, and they're general struggle to adjust to the level, have put off Wilder signing more from League One? Again, I get that but I still can see all but Holmes adjusting - in time. Holmes just hasn't being given a chance, for whatever reason and why he hasn't gone to Oxford yet is bemusing as that was supposed to be happening late last week. Could Wilder be waiting on an incoming loan before letting him leave?

I think its important not to field too many League One signings at once, especially if they're similar players which Evans and Lundstram are. When only one of them has played alongside Fleck, they've generally done much better.
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"...NOW is the time to act and get a Charlie Wyke or and Tom Eaves.."

Wyke went to Sunderland last week pal
 
Grappler said:
"...NOW is the time to act and get a Charlie Wyke or and Tom Eaves.."

Wyke went to Sunderland last week pal
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Oh right! Someone else then! You get my point Grappler! It won't happen though will it, we are going down the loan route and hopefully that will pay off.
 
Booker4 said:
Oh right! Someone else then! You get my point Grappler! It won't happen though will it, we are going down the loan route and hopefully that will pay off.
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yes I get your point pal, I wasn't sure if you meant we should go after Wyke or "someone like" Wyke.

Fingers crossed on loans now.
 
Mcgodrick was a nice bonus but he's far
GrayBlade said:
This Tweet seems to have been deleted.
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Don't think because I shared the tweet that I believe it, I don't know why I still follow him on Twitter to be honest.
If he said tommorow is Thursday I wouldn't trust him.
 
Booker4 said:
I'd much rather us stick with our previous policy of signing young and/or hungry players from League One. OK, they don't always come off but would much rather that than just leaving gaping holes in the team on the basis that there is no one we can afford who would instantly make us better. I totally get Wilders view, but if we bring in someone to develop then in time they improve and will take the place of a Sharp of a Clarke, as opposed to flogging those two and Duffy until they'e past it and then not being able to replace them with a like for like quality (quality when they were decent/younger) and then us having to rely on loans.

Difference between me and many on here is that I don't believe Leon is at the point where he's losing it, I just think he isn't and has never (if you look at his career) being consistent for long periods and we need to have an option off the bench, like we did with Donaldson last season but he was obviously older and not someone you could develop.

NOW is the time to act and get a Charlie Wyke or and Tom Eaves (Gillingham) or whoeever Wilder feels is the right guy to succeed Leon. If they don't make it then they'll always be people who will take them off us on loan or permanent, Ok, we'd make a loss but if we can't increase the budget in the forthcoming years than I don't see any option, unless we just sign one marque player per window and that player could well be on too much more than the rest.

It seems Egan was our marque signing but for me we needed that marque signing on a centre forward but Wilder would no doubt say we needed a centre half and we cannot afford to sign a Waghorn irrespective of whether Egan arrives. I'd rather the first approach of buying from League One, but that's the two options as I see it.

I wonder if the signings of Leonard, Evans, Lundstram and Holmes, and they're general struggle to adjust to the level, have put off Wilder signing more from League One? Again, I get that but I still can see all but Holmes adjusting - in time. Holmes just hasn't being given a chance, for whatever reason and why he hasn't gone to Oxford yet is bemusing as that was supposed to be happening late last week. Could Wilder be waiting on an incoming loan before letting him leave?

I think its important not to field too many League One signings at once, especially if they're similar players which Evans and Lundstram are. When only one of them has played alongside Fleck, they've generally done much better.
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So you want to sign more L1 players but not play too many players at once? How does that work? The four players you mention all came from L1 clubs and have all found the step up to the Champ (too?) challenging. Do you not feel there's a risk that continuing to recruit in that market will result in the squad being devoid of sufficient quality and end up regressing rather than progressing as everyone wants it to. CW being the most obvious example of this but as typified by the unrealistic and frankly ridiculous chase of Coady last season and similar this season with players such as Hogan, his ambition may outweigh the clubs current and short term capability.
 
Mouth of the South said:
So you want to sign more L1 players but not play too many players at once? How does that work? The four players you mention all came from L1 clubs and have all found the step up to the Champ (too?) challenging. Do you not feel there's a risk that continuing to recruit in that market will result in the squad being devoid of sufficient quality and end up regressing rather than progressing as everyone wants it to. CW being the most obvious example of this but as typified by the unrealistic and frankly ridiculous chase of Coady last season and similar this season with players such as Hogan, his ambition may outweigh the clubs current and short term capability.
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I can see why my post seems contradictory! I'm saying that Evans and Lundstram together doesn't work for a variety of reasons. They're both slower types, like to control the play, retain possession and both have a similar goal threat - limited. They both came from League One, albeit Evans was from Wolves but was playing at League One Wigan, and both need time to adjust. I wouldn't play them together more on style than anything, and that both are still adjusting to this level.

As for other new players from League One, I'm saying that I wouldn't want us to sign 3 and 4 in one window from League One that all are starters. You need to be patient and give 20 minutes from the bench and then odd starts here and there and hopefully they improve and can play more. So back to this window and I'm suggesting that one player from League One that can give greater competition to the existing three forwards and particularly Leon would be beneficial. We only have the one taller physical type although McGoldrick is obviously taller than Billy but I would like to see another Donaldson type to rival Leon for his spot. Someone younger who can develop and by next season would hopefully start.

Of course if it goes wrong then you have a player who doesn't play much like we do with Leonard ad Holmes but I don't think not signing anyone is the right option and signing loan players is usually just a short term fix for a season and then we have to build again and you obviously never own a loan player.

Don't get me wrong, I'd ideally love us to sign players for multi millions but its not going to happen is it! I don't get that there isn't someone in League One that can be useful off the bench and then develop as I say. Maddison would surely add something in the hole but maybe we Woodburn is the chosen player for that role, and maybe Maddison would cost more than what we want to pay I don't know.
 
Tom Bradshaw signing for Millwall as soon as today according to RS. Wilder has been saying we are waiting on the selling club to make their move before we can..
 



With Tom Bradshaw due to sign for Millwall soon, is it possible this be a move that sees Lee Gregory joins us.

Just 2+2 making 5, but seems more plausible than Hogan due to wages.

Beaten by seconds
 
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