CONFIRMED James McAtee - MGW Replacement?

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BushBlade said:
1988 Early views from.

“Who’s that fucker we’ve signed from Donny? He’s gash, lanky streak of piss, couldn’t trap a bag of cement, fell over the fucking ball trying to control it”
“Yeah, fucking hopeless, Basset’s got no idea, he’ll get us relegated again. He should fuck off back down south and take that Deane with him”
“He makes Philliskirk look like Rush”
“He’ll be playing in non-league in a couple of years, mark my words”

35 years later, what have we learnt?
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Rewriting hiatory?
 

BushBlade said:
I agree, I’ve said that about our young players on loan, part of the learning experience is working out how to force yourself into the first team and then stay there.
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Yep so long as they’re actively still in the managers thoughts and training well and not ostracised then it can be beneficial and of course there’s no way of us knowing that.

Think it also depends on why you’ve sent them there if it’s a go there and prove your good enough to come back and play for us then yes whereas if it’s an exercise in getting them acclimatised you mens football earlier in their development then you probably want them playing but given the experience McAtee has got with city I’d assume it’s a go and prove yourself type of loan.
 
Second half of the season is his time - if the loan isn't cut short, which it might be

He'd have more chance of playing in a 4-3-3
 
broomhillblade said:
Rewriting hiatory?
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I’m assuming you meant history. No, comments I heard back in the day after his first couple of games, paraphrased because I wasn’t taking notes at the time and, even if I had, I’d have lost them by now. I guess no one ever said Edwards was a lazy fucker either.
 
Bladedownsouth said:
We’re all entitled to an opinion though bud aren’t we and we’re not always right and wrong ourselves, at least I know I’m not always right…..

Just a tad harsh I feel, whilst sort of understanding his thoughts.
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He noticed the smiley wink.
You missed it.
 
Bladedownsouth said:
Forgive me for spending a year down south at my own expense to better myself with studying….. how very well dare I 😂😇
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You don't have to apologise for that its very admirable

Far cry from the fuck off somewhere people dunt talk norvern.
 

whatever the merits of young mcatee. It appears our old friend MGW is currently in a living he'll af Forest. Looking as lost as poor old Henderson whose doesn't look quite as solid as he did for us.

shows certain players fit certain systems
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blade too long said:
whatever the merits of young mcatee. It appears our old friend MGW is currently in a living he'll af Forest. Looking as lost as poor old Henderson whose doesn't look quite as solid as he did for us.

shows certain players fit certain systems
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Too many egos over at Forest. They looked horrendous yesterday, so far removed from the forest team I saw played us off the park at Bramall Lane when we drew 1-1.

If they’d have gone up & kept the bulk of the same team together (signed their loan players) they’d be giving it a better go than spending more money than sense on this squad

IMO MGW showed to me last season he’s £15-20m player that isn’t the finished article, has mistakes in him but has the potential to be a premier league match winner. Spending £35m plus is ludicrous
 
Millhousesblade1889 said:
Too many egos over at Forest. They looked horrendous yesterday, so far removed from the forest team I saw played us off the park at Bramall Lane when we drew 1-1.

If they’d have gone up & kept the bulk of the same team together (signed their loan players) they’d be giving it a better go than spending more money than sense on this squad
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wholesale changes rarely work
cohesion and team work suffer badly
however done think they played us off the Park...just matched us
 
blade too long said:
wholesale changes rarely work
cohesion and team work suffer badly
however done think they played us off the Park...just matched us
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I'm not sure, they were the best team in that one game I saw at the lane last season. They battered us for 80 minutes of the first play off leg too (we battered them second half at their place).

I also thought West Brom was decent until Livermore was sent off.
 
blade too long said:
wholesale changes rarely work
cohesion and team work suffer badly
however done think they played us off the Park...just matched us
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They battered us in the first leg, similar to what we did to them in the second.
 
McAtee will have learned a lot about himself in 45 minutes at Luton.

He will be the perfect chance to give Berge a rest in the QPR game. It’s a game that will suit his style and undoubted talents better.
 
Tom Bott said:
Though Liverpool said the same about Brewster,, still waiting.
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When I wrote that comment I did think about Brewster. He was really highly rated by Liverpool and some of their fans were furious they sold him to us.

He works hard, great attitude and nice link play but he doesn’t look like a striker, poor positioning and doesn’t seem hungry for goals, like Sharp.

I’m hoping Brewster does a McBurnie, scores one then can’t stop scoring.
 
Charlieblade said:
McAtee will have learned a lot about himself in 45 minutes at Luton.

He will be the perfect chance to give Berge a rest in the QPR game. It’s a game that will suit his style and undoubted talents better.
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Actually that’s not a bad shout.

Berge looked tired on Saturday and QPR will be one of the less physical sides we play, so although it would appear a brave decision there is some logic to replacing Berge with McAtee.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Actually that’s not a bad shout.

Berge looked tired on Saturday and QPR will be one of the less physical sides we play, so although it would appear a brave decision there is some logic to replacing Berge with McAtee.
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Especially at home! McAtee is a good player and his experience here (along with Doyle) will benefit the future relationship with Man City.
I did think Berge might have been rested v Brum, but with fixtures coming thick and fast, he does need some down time after 2x90 with Norway.

If McAtee plays well v QPR, it might improve Berge’s game?
 
BushBlade said:
Being picky though, Ndiaye is used more like a deep lying or second striker, the old no.10 in a 442, rather than as an attacking midfielder behind a front two (Duffy role). I’m not sure Khadra or McAtee are capable of doing that, which does support Robbie’s point about why we signed them. Before the season started I was expecting 3412 but it seems Hecky prefers the 3511 we’re playing at the moment. Maybe that’s because he’s having to accommodate Berge, after expecting him to leave in the last window, I’m not sure.
I can’t see where they fit in right now, apart from as impact subs to change a game.
Or perhaps injuries to our defenders have meant he’s had to stick with the system until we’ve got two who could play in a back four (Clark or Anel with Egan?) and he was initially thinking about 4231 with, say Berge, Ndiaye, Khadra/McAtee in the three.
I’m not complaining as what we’re doing is working at the moment but it seems a bit Robinson/Freeman revisited.
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You're making my point better than me!

Khadra can play off a striker, he did so for Blackburn on occasion I believe. I was under the impression McAtee was a AMC that would play in a 4-2-1-2 type formation. That or out wide, either as a winger or as a Foden like wide forward.

So, why have we signed him? Seems odd if he's just a sub to come on. Given we're told he had lots of offers and presumably City want him playing regularly, which is the best way to develop any young player.

Hecky is playing 3 CMs. We have Fleck, Doyle, Norwood who would naturally play those role. Berge wants to but looks a bit of a liability on the defensive side and much better when he's further forward. Osborn will say it's his preferred position, but again hasn't looked good enough there.

The we have one player (Ndiaye) playing off a striker. Khadra can do that role, although I don't think it suits him. As you say, I don't think McAtee can. Plus, our record signing is on the bench and we saw him partner McBurnie (who you're not dropping now). We also have Sharp. Against Preston, he was prepared to play Ndiaye deeper, although that didn't really work until Doyle came on. Which would make me think that if Ndiaye needed a rest or was injured his preference would be McBurnie and Brewster upfront.

When McAtee has played in the LCM role, he's looked like a boy against men. Doesn't seem to have the strength of the tackling/marking/tracking ability to play it. His tackling style is risky, to say the least. By all accounts, this is not his position or one which he's played anywhere else.

Hence, I think what I was trying to say is that his signing makes no real sense, thus far, to me anyway. I can't believe City would let us sign him as an impact sub.
 
robbiez666 said:
You're making my point better than me!

Khadra can play off a striker, he did so for Blackburn on occasion I believe. I was under the impression McAtee was a AMC that would play in a 4-2-1-2 type formation. That or out wide, either as a winger or as a Foden like wide forward.

So, why have we signed him? Seems odd if he's just a sub to come on. Given we're told he had lots of offers and presumably City want him playing regularly, which is the best way to develop any young player.

Hecky is playing 3 CMs. We have Fleck, Doyle, Norwood who would naturally play those role. Berge wants to but looks a bit of a liability on the defensive side and much better when he's further forward. Osborn will say it's his preferred position, but again hasn't looked good enough there.

The we have one player (Ndiaye) playing off a striker. Khadra can do that role, although I don't think it suits him. As you say, I don't think McAtee can. Plus, our record signing is on the bench and we saw him partner McBurnie (who you're not dropping now). We also have Sharp. Against Preston, he was prepared to play Ndiaye deeper, although that didn't really work until Doyle came on. Which would make me think that if Ndiaye needed a rest or was injured his preference would be McBurnie and Brewster upfront.

When McAtee has played in the LCM role, he's looked like a boy against men. Doesn't seem to have the strength of the tackling/marking/tracking ability to play it. His tackling style is risky, to say the least. By all accounts, this is not his position or one which he's played anywhere else.

Hence, I think what I was trying to say is that his signing makes no real sense, thus far, to me anyway. I can't believe City would let us sign him as an impact sub.
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But all based on what he was when he joined us. He will develop, and what we will get from him, won't be this week, or last week, or Luton. It will be in the coming weeks.
As has been said, and you said yourself, if he isn't on that trajectory in January, maybe think again. Until then give him and HJSMc chance to make him shine.
 

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