Jack O’Connell

[Luke1993]

Saying that though the club has paid him wages and for his treatment for two years … if he does one somewhere and starts playing again it would be bad on his part imo

He's under contract, what do you expect us to do? Oh you're injured. Now jog on? Let's not forget he injured himself playing for us and it was 'our' misdiagnosis that cocked everything up.

 

[Swannyblade]

The way I’d see it is that he’s suing a specialist who is employed by the club. And who should rightfully be punished. I’m as much Sheffield United as any said specialist but he’s not suing me. I know I might be in the minority with that I just think it’d be the right thing to do for him. He’s hardly been a top earner but was arguably at a stage in his career where he was about to become one.

All hypothetical of course.

Horrific timing for JOC as surely he was just about to have his big pay day. Might have been with us had his inclusion been enough to keep us up last year. But even if it wasn't, if he performed anywhere near to the standard he showed in 19/20, he would have got a big move to another club. Let's just remember that Tyrone Mings played for England in last summer's Euros and none of us would have swapped him for JOC the year before.
Must be sickener for the lad as it looked like he was knocking on the door of greatness.

 

[Chingo]

He's under contract, what do you expect us to do? Oh you're injured. Now jog on? Let's not forget he injured himself playing for us and it was 'our' misdiagnosis that cocked everything up.

So there was definitely a mis diagnosis?

 

[Yogi]

Not so sure many would see it that way.

Think many would see it as a player has been supported and paid by the club for 2 years to then leave on a free. Has it even been confirmed that he was misdiagnosed, and there is an animosity?

I begrudged Kenny leaving as the club stood by him through his self inflicted suspension and there was never any question that Kenny would come back and be able to continue his career. With JOC I think I would feel differently at this point I’d just be happy to see him kicking a ball in a meaningful game whether it’s in the red and white or not.

 

[mancunianblade]

I begrudged Kenny leaving as the club stood by him through his self inflicted suspension and there was never any question that Kenny would come back and be able to continue his career. With JOC I think I would feel differently at this point I’d just be happy to see him kicking a ball in a meaningful game whether it’s in the red and white or not.

Paddy Kenny's case did sping to mind and when I checked his Wiki it suggested that it was the club that forced him out and seems he said similar himself recently. I don't think the fans would turn on JOC, but I dont recall anyone turning down a contract with the intention of leaving on a free ever not being derided by the fans?

 

[nicksufc]

So there was definitely a mis diagnosis?

Yeah, my mate told me so it must be true

 

[Yogi]

Paddy Kenny's case did sping to mind and when I checked his Wiki it suggested that it was the club that forced him out and seems he said similar himself recently. I don't think the fans would turn on JOC, but I dont recall anyone turning down a contract with the intention of leaving on a free ever not being derided by the fans?

True but I’m struggling to think of a player that’s ever been out this long for us that left for better. I don’t think JOC would leave to go higher as he’s not proven his fitness if he does leave it’ll be lower. Which would be a crying shame because he was immense Mings couldn’t hold a candle to him.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Good point, but sometimes it’s better discussing the real thing, don’t you find?

No I prefer to shit stir.

 

[mancunianblade]

I was told initially that he has no cartilage in his knees and this is an issue that dated back to his youth. am I right in thinking Wilder was annoyed he chose to have the op? which would suggest he had been playing with the issue for a while and had no problems although playing with no cartilage must have been painful? he was then told by a specialist that he needed an op and would likely be out for 2 years or face retirement.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

No I prefer to shit stir.

Well, you’re definitely in the right place then…

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Well, you’re definitely in the right place then…

Cheers pal. Nice one. Been emotional.

 

[Champagneblade]

A fit JOC last season and we would have made a much better go at staying up in the PL.

The situation behind the scenes with medical staff seems to be a big cause for concern at the moment.

Him getting injured was basically the 20/21 Rob Hulse moment.

Hope he can get back fit. Without wanted to be accused of exaggerating, he could have been worth 50m. We all knew he is better than Mings but just got injured at the wrong moment. Quick, strong, good in the air, good going forwards. A godsend for when England play 3 at the back.

Fingers crossed he can turn it around.

 

[Champagneblade]

I was told initially that he has no cartilage in his knees and this is an issue that dated back to his youth. am I right in thinking Wilder was annoyed he chose to have the op? which would suggest he had been playing with the issue for a while and had no problems although playing with no cartilage must have been painful? he was then told by a specialist that he needed an op and would likely be out for 2 years or face retirement.

I thought he had a collision with Dean Henderson when they were practicing set-pieces in the run up to the Villa restart game?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Not so sure many would see it that way.

Think many would see it as a player has been supported and paid by the club for 2 years to then leave on a free. Has it even been confirmed that he was misdiagnosed, and there is an animosity?

He was paid to do a job which he did. If somebody didn't do theirs & it has cost him his career he's entitled to go after them if he can prove some kind of professional negligence.

 

[Hartley Hare]

You can't help thinking that something is not quite right with our backroom medical/physio team when our best players have been so crock.

Makes a big difference.

HH

 

[Bladesman]

You can't help thinking that something is not quite right with our backroom medical/physio team when our best players have been so crock.

Makes a big difference.

HH

Had there been a change in medical staff prior to JOC's injury? it just seems odd that we have had a long run of injuries and players not quite fully fit.

 

[Lupa The Noa]

A fit JOC last season and we would have made a much better go at staying up in the PL.

The situation behind the scenes with medical staff seems to be a big cause for concern at the moment.

I've been reliably informed that he'll never play again-for anyone. He's probably pissed off at the folk who advised him to have the operation. The Blades generally deal with their ex players fairly well, as long as there's someone decent at the helm

 

[Hartley Hare]

Had there been a change in medical staff prior to JOC's injury? it just seems odd that we have had a long run of injuries and players not quite fully fit.

True.

Didn't Berge get injured just getting up from the subs bench? Moose is so fragile, my aunt fanny has more chance of lasting a match than that crock. I feel very sorry for JOC if he has been badly advised/treated. I hope this is not the case for all involved.

HH

 

[Sean Thornton]

The way I’d see it is that he’s suing a specialist who is employed by the club. And who should rightfully be punished. I’m as much Sheffield United as any said specialist but he’s not suing me. I know I might be in the minority with that I just think it’d be the right thing to do for him. He’s hardly been a top earner but was arguably at a stage in his career where he was about to become one.

All hypothetical of course.

When you say “specialist employed by the club” do you mean a physio? Surely the player would be sent to a consultant from the relevant medical profession who would advise? Or is it that the injury was misdiagnosed in house? Genuine questions.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Can’t see him being labelled a villain under any circumstances. It’s not like he got the injury after a night on the piss, in an accident, fight or whatever.

 

[Bladesman]

Can’t see him being labelled a villain under any circumstances. It’s not like he got the injury after a night on the piss, in an accident, fight or whatever.

Or like McBurnie hurting his shoulder diving trying to win a penalty.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Or like McBurnie hurting his shoulder diving trying to win a penalty.

Well sadly that’s very much a part of the modern game. So not like it really.

 

[RecordBreakers]

He's under contract, what do you expect us to do? Oh you're injured. Now jog on? Let's not forget he injured himself playing for us and it was 'our' misdiagnosis that cocked everything up.

Let's not forget he didn't injured himself, he got injured in training then was brought back to soon. Let's not forget that

 

[Champagneblade]

We were a terrible PL team. A good at that level CB doesn't fix that. Our defensive performance from 19/20 was always hugely unlikely to be repeated. We did nothing to address our inability to create chances

There is a fair bit of truth in this.

First season we were a very good, even superb Championship team playing weekly Cup Finals against Premiership opposition or that's how it felt to an extent. We didn't kick on from this at all. I don't buy the wages argument because there is a lot of wages to be had in the 110m fees we lavished plus actual wages we also spent. I doubt there was a pot wages and a pot fees. It would have been budget. It was up to Chris if we went for more free transfers of established players on better money.

But we didn't do anything, despite the spend, to upgrade the first XI. It was just all fleshing out.

It was 10/11 of the squad that got promoted and Billy rotated out yet still ended up with one of the better goals per game ratios in the squad.

Fast forward to now.

Yes we bought and sold Rammers. We had a loanee in goal before. We have a freeby in goal now.

But the entire back 5 would be the same if O'Connell was fit and Baldock hadn't just picked up an injury (though Bogle has been decent the past few). We're loaning Davies to cover for O'Connell something we should have addressed over a year back.

The most picked central midfielders are still Norwood and Fleck.

Billy is still top scorer. McGoldrick is still a deserved first pick. In place of Duffy we have a loanee.

We haven't ever embraced not being a Championship team at all. That's why we're back where we started with pretty much the same players except now we're wondering where the money went!

 

[mancunianblade]

I thought he had a collision with Dean Henderson when they were practicing set-pieces in the run up to the Villa restart game?

I was told it was a long standing issue by another player at another club who had the info from a couple of united players.

just done a quick Google and found a Dm Article from the time it was announced

Sheffield United's Jack O'Connell likely to miss rest of the season

The 26-year-old defender is expected to miss the rest of the season as he requires a knee operation. O'Connell played the first two league matches for Chris Wilder's Blades this season.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The key bit is here, I don’t even remember him missing games in the promotion season?

 

[mancunianblade]

You can't help thinking that something is not quite right with our backroom medical/physio team when our best players have been so crock.

Makes a big difference.

HH

Sheffield United: Enda Stevens 'let down' by mistake which forced him to miss season kick-off

Enda Stevens has expressed his frustration at missing the start of the new Championship season, revealing he could have been available for selection months ago had the injury which forced him to sit out Sheffield United’s opening 10 games not been misdiagnosed.

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[Houston_Blade]

In other words: “We’ve absolutely no idea if or when he’ll be back and he hasn’t been anywhere near the club for months. But he is popping in next week on silly jumper and Secret Santa day, so that will be nice. I’ve heard great things about his spiced rum mince pies”.

He’s been at a few games recently as I’ve seen him driving into the car park as I’ve been going to the turnstiles.

 

[Houston_Blade]

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Is this a sign of the last one being a bit crap?!

 

[Bladeinleeds]

You can't help thinking that something is not quite right with our backroom medical/physio team when our best players have been so crock.

Makes a big difference.

HH

funny that there were no complaints when we basically had no injuries from league one to the PL. other than a freak coutts leg break. That luck has regressed to the norm now and we have suffered, more than lost over the last 2 years.

Injuries happen - it’s clear that JOC has been unlucky with a bad injury that didn’t heal ask anticipated.

fingers crossed he gets back.

 

[Yewsman]

When you say “specialist employed by the club” do you mean a physio? Surely the player would be sent to a consultant from the relevant medical profession who would advise? Or is it that the injury was misdiagnosed in house? Genuine questions.

I was about to post the same thing before I read this. I dont know what "medical staff" the club has but would be very surprised if the club employs doctors direct and certainly not specialist consultants. The club would surely refer players to outside consultants so if there has been a misdiagnosis JOC would sue the consultant who would have professional indemnity insurance. JOC would be the patient and although the club no doubt paid the bill the contract is between consultant and player.

On a separate point I do think you can underestimate the effect of JOC being absent. He gave us so much in defence which we never replaced. In particular aerial presence which we were punished for. We also massively missed his attacking ability which was so important in contributing goals. Had he not been injured I firmly believe we would have stayed up.

Reminds me of Morgs getting injured the season we got relegated to League 1.