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Charlieblade said:
As I have already posted, these are players that Heckinbottom wanted as back up. Occasional bench replacements for one off injuries and an increase in suspensions due to yellow/red cards.

I’m sure he did not envisage such players being required full time. How prescient of him?

Without the back up of fading talent, more academy players would need to be blooded. Maybe he is hoping for another Ndiaye scenario?
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They are not good enough for back up and are always injured.

We could have used the money on other players, fitter ones.
 

Revolution said:
They are not good enough for back up and are always injured.

We could have used the money on other players, fitter ones.
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I don't think some are getting this, keeping the older/not good enough/injury prone players is a waste of a wage.

RND, Lowe, Osborn (LWBs) have been out injured but so has Stevens so what's the point there?

Fleck and Osborn have been injured since beginning of the season.
 
Charlieblade said:
As I have already posted, these are players that Heckinbottom wanted as back up. Occasional bench replacements for one off injuries and an increase in suspensions due to yellow/red cards.

I’m sure he did not envisage such players being required full time. How prescient of him?

Without the back up of fading talent, more academy players would need to be blooded. Maybe he is hoping for another Ndiaye scenario?
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Reminds me of England looking to replace Ian Botham. My dad used to get very wound up about it: "They keep talking about the NEW Ian Botham; there won't be a new Ian Botham - he's a one-off!"
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
I don't think some are getting this, keeping the older/not good enough/injury prone players is a waste of a wage.
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I think the main stumbling block is the perception that we have nobody else, and that we needed to fill out a squad no matter what. As such, people would prefer to have retained players that we knew weren't good enough for the Championship because "numbers" or "PL experience", rather than test the youngsters, who also might not be good enough (at least for the PL and at least right now), but do have a non-zero chance of being able to do something useful
 
jt64 said:
I think the main stumbling block is the perception that we have nobody else, and that we needed to fill out a squad no matter what. As such, people would prefer to have retained players that we knew weren't good enough for the Championship because "numbers" or "PL experience", rather than test the youngsters, who also might not be good enough (at least for the PL and at least right now), but do have a non-zero chance of being able to do something useful
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Exactly.. problem is the ones we kept/wanted to keep are often injured apart from Sharp. Fantastic servants over the years but this summer it needed a full clear out of the deadwood... but suppose we're skint so we can't win 😅
 
Revolution said:
They are not good enough for back up and are always injured.

We could have used the money on other players, fitter ones.
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I don’t believe that Fleck was worth the money at all, due to his history of fragility. I would probably have added Norwood to the released list, purely on account of his age.
You will find few negative comments on JLT this season, so some work and some don’t.
I think that Sharp is missed but purely for his leadership qualities. Would Stevens be a better option than any other for the LWB slot? Would retaining him be better than losing an English loan slot.

Doesn’t matter which option you pick, they are all fraught with potential failure or success, depending on the level the club is obliged to buy at!

All about opinions. Yours, mine, others and Hecky. Most options have the same success or failure rate. 🤷‍♂️
 
Charlieblade said:
I don’t believe that Fleck was worth the money at all, due to his history of fragility. I would probably have added Norwood to the released list, purely on account of his age.
You will find few negative comments on JLT this season, so some work and some don’t.
I think that Sharp is missed but purely for his leadership qualities. Would Stevens be a better option than any other for the LWB slot? Would retaining him be better than losing an English loan slot.

Doesn’t matter which option you pick, they are all fraught with potential failure or success, depending on the level the club is obliged to buy at!

All about opinions. Yours, mine, others and Hecky. Most options have the same success or failure rate. 🤷‍♂️
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Boyes or Buyabu would be more use than Stevens.
 
It was a fucking stupid decision to retain Fleck and Osborn - I said so at the time and stick by it. Not hindsight. I cant put it any more clearer.

Whoever was responsible for signing off those contracts and signing the next James Wallace from Everton deserves not to be involved in any further decision making about players.

3 wages that could have been used to be spent on 3 free transfers of fit players.

At least we aren't paying win bonuses this season.
 
WF10BLADE said:
It was a fucking stupid decision to retain Fleck and Osborn - I said so at the time and stick by it. Not hindsight. I cant put it any more clearer.

Whoever was responsible for signing off those contracts and signing the next James Wallace from Everton deserves not to be involved in any further decision making about players.

3 wages that could have been used to be spent on 3 free transfers of fit players.

At least we aren't paying win bonuses this season.
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Releasing Sharp and keeping Fleck was a bizarre decision.
Tom Davies. Professional footballer for 8 years. Injured kicking a ball. You couldn't make it up!
 
RND
Anel
Basham
Egan
Coulibaly
Jebbison

Wonder if any timescales on these today. I'd imagine Lowe and Osula will be in squad Saturday after a couple weeks training.
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
RND
Anel
Basham
Egan
Coulibaly
Jebbison

Wonder if any timescales on these today. I'd imagine Lowe and Osula will be in squad Saturday after a couple weeks training.
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Currently:

RND - a state secret. My guess is he's done
Anel - late Nov/early December
Basham - out for season
Egan - February at the earliest
Coulibaly - God knows
Jebbison - I was told 2024 at the earliest
 
fleckagainagainagain… said:
Also it’s mental that they are saying the review was delayed because of cost. Paying for an expert analysis must be, what a few grand, tens of thousands?

As someone said higher up, these players are £ multi million assets that are being wrecked, at the cost of the club. JOC was £30m asset written off, RND might not come back, he would’ve been worth £5-10m, what if Hamer is next? Another £15m down the drain?

We can’t afford not to be doing this analysis. And if it comes to it and the back room staff are the problem, we can’t afford not to clear them out - the cost of doing that is still less than the damage being done to the clubs assets!
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Even ignoring the fast depreciating asset value of so many of our players, the burn rate on salaries sat on the treatment table must be running at around £500k - £1m a month.

But let's hold off on the review or we won't be able to pay the heating bill next month.
 
With hindsight, we would have been better off leaving the squad 3 or even 4 players light and filling in the gaps with frees over the following months once we saw which positions we were struggling in once we'd played a few games. But I don't think even the most pessimistic of us would have expected injurygeddon to not just continue but ramp up in the way it has, so I can see why it wasn't considered wise at the time.
 

Lord Eddard Muir said:
With hindsight, we would have been better off leaving the squad 3 or even 4 players light and filling in the gaps with frees over the following months once we saw which positions we were struggling in once we'd played a few games. But I don't think even the most pessimistic of us would have expected injurygeddon to not just continue but ramp up in the way it has, so I can see why it wasn't considered wise at the time.
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Stop talking sense 🙄 Because we've filled the 25 man squad with injured players we now have 2 fit CBs available
 
Enda Stevens was captain last week for Stoke and seems to be playing regularly. Here we couldn’t get him fit.
 
BerksBlade said:
Releasing Sharp and keeping Fleck was a bizarre decision.
Tom Davies. Professional footballer for 8 years. Injured kicking a ball. You couldn't make it up!
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Please be fair and accurate. He has been a professional footballer for 8 years and was injured kicking the floor, not a ball.
 

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