Injuries

[Bartleby]

*13
A.Davies
Larouci
Coulibaly

Although I think Baldock might be available with training last week.

Yeah it says on there "Oct 19: 'George is getting closer [but for this weekend], maybe not.' " -potential return 28/10/2023

 

[raimond]

You don't get unlucky at Barnsley, Leeds, Hibs before us either....they tried to warn us.

I'm not against the bloke as it goes- but he does something wrong training/conditioning wise and always has.

Just what exactly were we “warn(ed) about
When, where & by whom ?

His record with injuries; when he was appointed; on here; by Barnsley, Leeds and Hibs fans (I think a guy called Hibs Blade?).

All spoke about him starting well then having unprecedentedly bad runs of injuries. Search on here if you can be arsed, or Google 'Heckingbottom injuries' and you'll find he's courted similar issues everywhere he's been.

 

[Bladesman]

Team news, anyone back?​

"George [Baldock] has trained today and [will] tomorrow. It's been a while and today was his first session since that international break with Greece. One or two getting closer like Will or Max but they are not available"

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Oli Mac?​

"Not trained and will get a scan today on that injury"

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Team news, anyone back?​

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Oli Mac?​

Swear Baldock was training last week

 

[Bladesman]

Swear Baldock was training last week

We have that many players getting injured I bet he loses track of them all.

Or this could be a bit of Hecky spin to make Arsenal shit the bed when they see Furious George on the team sheet.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

We have that many players getting injured I bet he loses track of them all.

Or this could be a bit of Hecky spin to make Arsenal shit the bed when they see Furious George on the team sheet.

I think Baldock will be in the squad like Osborn were last weekend.

 

[Bladesman]

I think Baldock will be in the squad like Osborn were last weekend.

Nearly a week later and McBurnie hasn't had a scan yet.

 

[Bladezz]

Why did we leave him on when he was clearly struggling?

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

No mention of A.Davies or Larouci back so could be 12 players missing this weekend with Baldock back.

 

[Booker4]

McBurnie set for a scan, that doesn't sound good does it! I expected he'd be out for Arsenal anyway but this sounds like a potential 4 - 6 week job out, if so we're screwed because we can't replace McBurnie with like for like. This is criminal that we allowed the squad to be without a back up striker of a similar style to McBurnie. I'd take Wayne Allison when he was with us over Traore and Osula who are just not ready yet and irrespective won't do what McBurnie can do. I would go one up top and play another midfielder such as Slimane over playing Traore or Osula when he's fit because at least we can be have another in midfield, maybe McAtee playing as a number 10.

 

[Bladesman]

McBurnie set for a scan, that doesn't sound good does it! I expected he'd be out for Arsenal anyway but this sounds like a potential 4 - 6 week job out, if so we're screwed because we can't replace McBurnie with like for like. This is criminal that we allowed the squad to be without a back up striker of a similar style to McBurnie. I'd take Wayne Allison when he was with us over Traore and Osula who are just not ready yet and irrespective won't do what McBurnie can do. I would go one up top and play another midfielder such as Slimane over playing Traore or Osula when he's fit because at least we can be have another in midfield, maybe McAtee playing as a number 10.

I reckon we probably would have got a striker in if we hadn't needed to get yet another left back on loan. We have 4 of them for fucks sake technically 5 if you count Osborn.

The injuries are the reason the squad appears small. Everyone fit we have a full 25 man squad.

 

[Bladey_blade]

McBurnie set for a scan, that doesn't sound good does it! I expected he'd be out for Arsenal anyway but this sounds like a potential 4 - 6 week job out, if so we're screwed because we can't replace McBurnie with like for like. This is criminal that we allowed the squad to be without a back up striker of a similar style to McBurnie. I'd take Wayne Allison when he was with us over Traore and Osula who are just not ready yet and irrespective won't do what McBurnie can do. I would go one up top and play another midfielder such as Slimane over playing Traore or Osula when he's fit because at least we can be have another in midfield, maybe McAtee playing as a number 10.

It's utterly baffling that an asset that cost 17 million and is taking 1million a year home hasn't had a scan by the end of the following Thursday following a Saturday injury. What the fuck are they doing?

 

[Rudders]

It's utterly baffling that an asset that cost 17 million and is taking 1million a year home hasn't had a scan by the end of the following Thursday following a Saturday injury. What the fuck are they doing?

You might wait for a scan if it was a suspected stress fracture but I cant think why you would delay a groin scan. Maybe excessive swelling or something (oo er mrs) but I doubt it would take 4 days to subside - you would ice it etc?! Maybe scans are cheaper on a Thursday or maybe we get some sort of group booking discount on a Thursday with all the injured players we have.
Or Hecky could be bullsh!tting

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

It's utterly baffling that an asset that cost 17 million and is taking 1million a year home hasn't had a scan by the end of the following Thursday following a Saturday injury. What the fuck are they doing?

It depends what the scan is for. It’s not unusual to scan a muscle injury a week after it’s initial occurrence, to assess the extent of tissue repair in the healing process, and determine whether or not it’s sensible to resume training of the muscle.

Why do people feel the need to immediately pile in with such negative comments at the first opportunity, without having any real understanding of what they are talking about? Lord knows, we have enough real stuff to moan about.

 

[Rodley]

Everyone season we have an injury crisis. WTF is going on?

 

[Bladesman]

It depends what the scan is for. It’s not unusual to scan a muscle injury a week after it’s initial occurrence, to assess the extent of tissue repair in the healing process, and determine whether or not it’s sensible to resume training of the muscle.

Why do people feel the need to immediately pile in with such negative comments at the first opportunity, without having any real understanding of what they are talking about? Lord knows, we have enough real stuff to moan about.

The real smart thing to do is when the player is playing a game injured is to leave him out there a bit longer.

 

[Booker4]

It's utterly baffling that an asset that cost 17 million and is taking 1million a year home hasn't had a scan by the end of the following Thursday following a Saturday injury. What the fuck are they doing?

I do wonder why the scan wasn't earlier. Maybe they were waiting to see how it was settling down and they knew he was always going to miss Saturday coming and the scan wasn't a hurry to get done because he was always going to be missing this weekend? That's my guess?

 

[Bladey_blade]

I do wonder why the scan wasn't earlier. Maybe they were waiting to see how it was settling down and they knew he was always going to miss Saturday coming and the scan wasn't a hurry to get done because he was always going to be missing this weekend? That's my guess?

I may have gone a bit in on it but anyone can see how important he is so was surprised at the nonchalance, no McBurnie so expect a result like the last match without him

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

The real smart thing to do is when the player is playing a game injured is to leave him out there a bit longer.

I don’t understand what you think your comment has got to do with my post that you quoted?

It is, however, a good example of what I was saying about people taking every opportunity to criticise the club in the absence of any factual evidence that the criticism is justified. What is your evidence that McBurnie’s injury was worsened by the duration of time spent on the pitch? How do you know that the physios didn’t tell Hecky to pull McBurnie before this risk presented itself, and that he did this on their advice? The benefits of leaving McBurnie on the pitch from a football perspective were apparent for all to see. The risk of doing so can only be sensibly judged in the moment by the physios, who have the best information of anybody in the ground on making this judgement call.

 

[Bladesman]

I don’t understand what you think your comment has got to do with my post that you quoted?

It is, however, a good example of what I was saying about people taking every opportunity to criticise the club in the absence of any factual evidence that the criticism is justified. What is your evidence that McBurnie’s injury was worsened by the duration of time spent on the pitch? How do you know that the physios didn’t tell Hecky to pull McBurnie before this risk presented itself, and that he did this on their advice? The benefits of leaving McBurnie on the pitch from a football perspective were apparent for all to see. The risk of doing so can only be sensibly judged in the moment by the physios, who have the best information of anybody in the ground on making this judgement call.

When the collision happened you could see he wasn't moving well. What was the point bringing him back out for the second half?

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

I don’t understand what you think your comment has got to do with my post that you quoted?

It is, however, a good example of what I was saying about people taking every opportunity to criticise the club in the absence of any factual evidence that the criticism is justified. What is your evidence that McBurnie’s injury was worsened by the duration of time spent on the pitch? How do you know that the physios didn’t tell Hecky to pull McBurnie before this risk presented itself, and that he did this on their advice? The benefits of leaving McBurnie on the pitch from a football perspective were apparent for all to see. The risk of doing so can only be sensibly judged in the moment by the physios, who have the best information of anybody in the ground on making this judgement call.

When the collision happened you could see he wasn't moving well. What was the point bringing him back out for the second half?

He played like 5 minutes of the second half

 

[Bladesman]

He played like 5 minutes of the second half

He did but he did the injury much earlier in the match.

I don't get why we felt the need to keep him on the pitch and even more so bring him out for second half.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

When the collision happened you could see he wasn't moving well. What was the point bringing him back out for the second half?

To give us the best chance of winning the match. Why wouldn’t you do this if your judgement was that there was little immediate risk to worsening his injury? Why wouldn’t you see whether or not any half time treatment had improved his situation? It seems to be generally accepted on here that our performance dropped significantly when he eventually went off.

 

[Bladesman]

To give us the best chance of winning the match. Why wouldn’t you do this if your judgement was that there was little immediate risk to worsening his injury? Why wouldn’t you see whether or not any half time treatment had improved his situation? It seems to be generally accepted on here that our performance dropped significantly when he eventually went off.

So you keep him on and risk the injury being made worse?

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

So you keep him on and risk the injury being made worse?

It’s a risk benefit judgement, based on expert knowledge at the time. Every time a player takes to the field, he risks injury. Should you keep them all on the bench to be on the safe side? Should we substitute everybody that needs the physio on the pitch, or goes down with cramp ( seriously increasing the risk of muscle tear)? Not all injuries present risk of further worsening by short term exercise. Neither you nor I know whether that pertains to this specific circumstance. We’re sounding like two bald men arguing over a comb.
Life is full of risk. I would advise you to play it safe and stay in bed, but the problem with that is that more people die in bed than anywhere else, so it’s a risky place to be. Beyond that, I can’t help you further, sorry.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

His record with injuries; when he was appointed; on here; by Barnsley, Leeds and Hibs fans (I think a guy called Hibs Blade?).

All spoke about him starting well then having unprecedentedly bad runs of injuries. Search on here if you can be arsed, or Google 'Heckingbottom injuries' and you'll find he's courted similar issues everywhere he's been.

Not in any way wanting a row but can’t find owt to support that- only thing I did find was this

The secret weapon that Leeds hope will turn around their bad luck with injuries

The former Barnsley boss has an ace up his sleeve from his Oakwell days

www.leeds-live.co.uk

He was always going to be pushing treacle up hill @ the dirties given his lack of big name status (allied to their delusional arrogance)

Similar ‘challenge’ with Hibverminian given his ‘ethnicity’ - after a successful (top 6) 1st (half) season he didn’t last long into next season when new signings didn’t ‘perform’ (sound familiar)

The Dingles I know (that can communicate coherently) almost universally rate him

But… no significant mention of (‘causing’)injuries any where I’ve searched - t’interweb & on ere (HibbyBlade exists but no posts showing)

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Bladesman]

Not in any way wanting a row but can’t find owt to support that- only thing I did find was this

The secret weapon that Leeds hope will turn around their bad luck with injuries

The former Barnsley boss has an ace up his sleeve from his Oakwell days

www.leeds-live.co.uk

He was always going to be pushing treacle up hill @ the dirties given his lack of big name status (allied to their delusional arrogance)

Similar ‘challenge’ with Hibverminian given his ‘ethnicity’ - after a successful (top 6) 1st (half) season he didn’t last long into next season when new signings didn’t ‘perform’ (sound familiar)

The Dingles I know (that can communicate coherently) almost universally rate him

But… no significant mention of (‘causing’)injuries any where I’ve searched - t’interweb & on ere (HibbyBlade exists but no posts showing)

It didn't take too much finding.

It has been horrific admits Leeds United boss Paul Heckingbottom

Injuries, suspensions, supporters' anger and just two wins since he took over, has seen the pressure mount on Leeds boss Paul Heckingbottom. But he says he can see better days ahead. Phil Hay reports.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

“Whilst we’ve had kicks in the teeth with injury after injury, we’ve got to use that as a positive and look at the players who are stepping in, ready for next season. If we didn’t do that and we just moaned about the situation, we wouldn’t be best equipped for next season."

Heckingbottom ‘frustrated’ at Hibs lack of ruthless streak

Ladbrokes Scottish Premiereship – Hibernian v Celtic. Easter Road Stadium, Edinburgh, Midlothian, UK. 28/09/2019. Pic shows: Hibs’ Manager, Paul Heckingbottom, watches the action from t…

theedinburghreporter.co.uk

When asked about the prospect of players back from injury in the coming week he replied: “It’s still slow. Vykintas (Slivka) is still feeling it a bit. Martin, I had out for some one on one coaching on Friday. He’s progressing to getting back on grass, though he’s some way from featuring. The quicker we can get him back on the grass the better. He’ll get fitter quicker, he’ll be working with the boys, it’ll be good for him and good for us to have him back. He’s probably the closest. Darren’s (McGregor) still progressing slowly and David’s (Gray) still in the gym just now."

Injury after injury, back on the grass... we have heard it all before.

 

[raimond]

Not in any way wanting a row but can’t find owt to support that- only thing I did find was this

The secret weapon that Leeds hope will turn around their bad luck with injuries

The former Barnsley boss has an ace up his sleeve from his Oakwell days

www.leeds-live.co.uk

He was always going to be pushing treacle up hill @ the dirties given his lack of big name status (allied to their delusional arrogance)

Similar ‘challenge’ with Hibverminian given his ‘ethnicity’ - after a successful (top 6) 1st (half) season he didn’t last long into next season when new signings didn’t ‘perform’ (sound familiar)

The Dingles I know (that can communicate coherently) almost universally rate him

But… no significant mention of (‘causing’)injuries any where I’ve searched - t’interweb & on ere (HibbyBlade exists but no posts showing)

No problems at all mate, I don't want a row either. No references at all earlier in this very thread from other posters to the same either? I mean, I guess really in a conversation in real life or on here, someone saying that they remember people saying something may be enough really, rather than requiring academic referencing or times and dates like a court of law, but hey, it takes all sorts doesn't it.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

No problems at all mate, I don't want a row either. No references at all earlier in this very thread from other posters to the same either? I mean, I guess really in a conversation in real life or on here, someone saying that they remember people saying something may be enough really, rather than requiring academic referencing or times and dates like a court of law, but hey, it takes all sorts doesn't it.

Ref #2819
Bladesman is clearly f(far) more competent than myself - not that that’s much of an accomplishment!