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[EddieColquhoun]

The Unclean have just signed Ben Heneghan. The same player that played exactly 0 league games for us as he was bought and he realised how shite he actually was AND we were in the same league as the porkers are in now at the time.

We were a League above the Pub League

 

[Chilttheblade]

Our scouting and recruitment team is exactly the same as when CW was here.

Also re Ivan Toney. I'm quite sure every man and his dog knows he would've been an absolute steal at £5m from Peterborough when they were in L1 but here's the kicker. CW had Toney on loan at Northampton and when he went from P'Boro to Brentford we were in The Prem and Brentford were in The Champ. Maybe, just maybe, after seeing him up close CW didn't think he was ready to go from L1 to The Prem in one swoop.

Please don’t insult my intelligence by assuming Wilder knows anything about assessing young players and how they will develop.
DCL, Ramsdale,Adams,McBurnie,Berge,Brewster,whiteman ,Mousset are just some of the obvious expensive examples of his lack of expertise.

 

[Wards]

re: Toney - I think everyone in football knew the lad had 'it' but don't underestimate the job Peterborough did getting him to deliver it consistently. I remember watching him for Northampton and him looking like a superstar one week then a reyt donkey the next.

 

[billyblademan]

re: Toney - I think everyone in football knew the lad had 'it' but don't underestimate the job Peterborough did getting him to deliver it consistently. I remember watching him for Northampton and him looking like a superstar one week then a reyt donkey the next.

I still think he looks like that at the minute - difference being it's in the Prem I guess!!

 

[brownblade]

Regarding centre backs (people upset about Clarke-Salter/Darling etc)... Considering the limited/sensible budget that we all know about... I think it's reasonable to assume we have our first choice back 3 already. So we're unlikely to spend loads on a CB. Fair enough if we do (LCB presumably), but money surely going to be focused on midfielders/attacking midfielders.

 

[Arcott]

God I despair at some of our fan base at times

Exactly why? What have we done so far? Very very early yes, and as I said I hope I'll be proved wrong (and i really hope so) but all those we have 'linked with' so far have gone elsewhere. Who are we actually looking at? What are your expectations?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Exactly why? What have we done so far? Very very early yes, and as I said I hope I'll be proved wrong (and i really hope so) but all those we have 'linked with' so far have gone elsewhere. Who are we actually looking at? What are your expectations?

Expectations? Maybe not shitting the bed because we didn’t sign a player that we’re unlikely to have been seriously interested in.
Just because social media sites who get paid from clicks make unsubstantiated links to one of the biggest clubs in regards to social media presence in the league, doesn’t make it true.
Every year it’s the same, without fail. Fans attacking the club/manager/board/owner when we’re not signing everyone who’s linked within the first few weeks.
There hasn’t been a top player at this level that’s been seriously linked by any credible source that’s gone elsewhere.
We know we pay some of the better wages, we know we aren’t looking in the large transfer fee market. We know we’re looking at frees, value young players and high level loans. Given those known facts, who have we missed out on?

 

[Upton_Blade]

Exactly why? What have we done so far? Very very early yes, and as I said I hope I'll be proved wrong (and i really hope so) but all those we have 'linked with' so far have gone elsewhere. Who are we actually looking at? What are your expectations?

OK I'll break down your reply bit by bit just so I'm clear.

Exactly why?

Not so much on here but if you're on Twitter or Facebook the amount of pathetic, entitled posts when the transfer window is open really does make me despair. It's the same every time the transfer window is open. The sort of idiots that reply to every post the club puts out eg sponsorship, tickets etc with "sign some fucking players".

What have we done so far?

Nothing. Why is that an issue unless you're an entitled idiot that thinks we have unlimited funds?

All those we have been linked with have gone elsewhere?

How have they been linked? Unless the club came out at the start of the window and said publicly Player X,Y and Z are our targets and the ones we're hoping to sign then everything else is just paper gossip or fans venting their wishlist. There's absolutely no proof we're after these players. Just because some fans think they'd be a good signing doesn't mean the club/recruitment team agree.

Who are we looking at?

No idea and neither does anyone else apart from the recruitment team at The Lane.

What are your expectations?

That we exit the transfer window in a stronger position than we entered it. If we don't then I'll be as vocal as the next man but fans seem to forget we signed MGW at the 11th hour and some of the best loans will only become available late on in the window once clubs have decided what to do with them. In an ideal world we'd have our squad in place for the start of pre season training but that's not how the real world works, as much as I'm sure we'd all like it to.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Expectations? Maybe not shitting the bed because we didn’t sign a player that we’re unlikely to have been seriously interested in.
Just because social media sites who get paid from clicks make unsubstantiated links to one of the biggest clubs in regards to social media presence in the league, doesn’t make it true.
Every year it’s the same, without fail. Fans attacking the club/manager/board/owner when we’re not signing everyone who’s linked within the first few weeks.
There hasn’t been a top player at this level that’s been seriously linked by any credible source that’s gone elsewhere.
We know we pay some of the better wages, we know we aren’t looking in the large transfer fee market. We know we’re looking at frees, value young players and high level loans. Given those known facts, who have we missed out on?

Yes FB

 

[robbiez666]

Remember when everyone went mad about not signing Waghorn? Or Morsey?

 

[Upton_Blade]

Remember when everyone went mad about not signing Waghorn? Or Morsey?

Or Dan Burn!

 

[From the pig end]

Remember when everyone went mad about not signing Waghorn? Or Morsey?

Watkins, Cash, Maupay..

 

[Arcott]

Expectations? Maybe not shitting the bed because we didn’t sign a player that we’re unlikely to have been seriously interested in.
Just because social media sites who get paid from clicks make unsubstantiated links to one of the biggest clubs in regards to social media presence in the league, doesn’t make it true.
Every year it’s the same, without fail. Fans attacking the club/manager/board/owner when we’re not signing everyone who’s linked within the first few weeks.
There hasn’t been a top player at this level that’s been seriously linked by any credible source that’s gone elsewhere.
We know we pay some of the better wages, we know we aren’t looking in the large transfer fee market. We know we’re looking at frees, value young players and high level loans. Given those known facts, who have we missed out on?

And we signed who last year that matched the strategy we are following that enabled us to bounce back to the prem or improve as a team? MGW ( not ours) Oh yes great player but has gone back, who else? Results based business, did we get promoted? Erm ... no. Who else did we sign? Our recruitment strategy over the last 2 years has been a resounding success hasnt it? Not shitting the bed but have no confidence in the strategy that has so far been put forward as a way to achieve success. The emphasis isn't on up and coming it is on high level loans, what ever that means because Olsen, Hourihane, Goode were a shining example of that to enable us to get promoted.. oh wait we're still exactly where we where having forked out thousands in wages for absolutely no end product. If we get promoted, as I said before, we will be in the same position as forest, we won't own any decent premiership players, the ones we have will be the same ones who weren't good enough 2 seasons ago. The loans we have we won't be able to buy because they will be out of out price bracket. I desperately want to be proved wrong but expect the same people will be slagging me off when I said we should never have swapped Robinson for Burke as they were a rival, suggested we sign Spence before the beginning of last season and should have cashed in on Berge when we had the chance (hope we can still do this). As for top players that haven't been linked, which top players do you believe will be linked and will actually come here? Even average players that have been linked (most dubiously in my opinion but everyone mentioned wasn't linked - seems a bit far fetched) have gone elsewhere so who exactly are your top players that will be coming? In the whole league structure which players will we be getting? As you said nobody knows who we are looking at but on the evidence over the last few windows neither do the recruitment team, they'lljust be waiting and waiting to get it over the line. MGW 11th hour is not what we need x,y,z before pre season is because no matter how good he was did we achieve the aim of the season? I'm desperately hoping we have a list of players lined up that will improve the squad and that we actually get 3 or 4 in (hecky wants 7) before preseason. If this happens and we achieve what we all want please feel free to slag me off as much as you like.

 

[Keen Blade]

Our scouting and recruitment team is exactly the same as when CW was here.

Also re Ivan Toney. I'm quite sure every man and his dog knows he would've been an absolute steal at £5m from Peterborough when they were in L1 but here's the kicker. CW had Toney on loan at Northampton and when he went from P'Boro to Brentford we were in The Prem and Brentford were in The Champ. Maybe, just maybe, after seeing him up close CW didn't think he was ready to go from L1 to The Prem in one swoop.

But he thought Brewster was ready ? For £23m ?

 

[Arcott]

Personally i think at the very least we should be looking at these 'up and comers'
Ross Synes Accrington
Matt o'reilly mk dons
Luke mcnally oxford
Scott Twine
Anderson and Evans Bristol Rovers
Afolayan Bolton
Helik Barnsley

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Personally i think at the very least we should be looking at these 'up and comers'
Ross Synes Accrington
Matt o'reilly mk dons
Luke mcnally oxford
Scott Twine
Anderson and Evans Bristol Rovers
Afolayan Bolton
Helik Barnsley

O'Reilly joined Celtic in January.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

And we signed who last year that matched the strategy we are following that enabled us to bounce back to the prem or improve as a team? MGW ( not ours) Oh yes great player but has gone back, who else? Results based business, did we get promoted? Erm ... no. Who else did we sign? Our recruitment strategy over the last 2 years has been a resounding success hasnt it? Not shitting the bed but have no confidence in the strategy that has so far been put forward as a way to achieve success. The emphasis isn't on up and coming it is on high level loans, what ever that means because Olsen, Hourihane, Goode were a shining example of that to enable us to get promoted.. oh wait we're still exactly where we where having forked out thousands in wages for absolutely no end product. If we get promoted, as I said before, we will be in the same position as forest, we won't own any decent premiership players, the ones we have will be the same ones who weren't good enough 2 seasons ago. The loans we have we won't be able to buy because they will be out of out price bracket. I desperately want to be proved wrong but expect the same people will be slagging me off when I said we should never have swapped Robinson for Burke as they were a rival, suggested we sign Spence before the beginning of last season and should have cashed in on Berge when we had the chance (hope we can still do this). As for top players that haven't been linked, which top players do you believe will be linked and will actually come here? Even average players that have been linked (most dubiously in my opinion but everyone mentioned wasn't linked - seems a bit far fetched) have gone elsewhere so who exactly are your top players that will be coming? In the whole league structure which players will we be getting? As you said nobody knows who we are looking at but on the evidence over the last few windows neither do the recruitment team, they'lljust be waiting and waiting to get it over the line. MGW 11th hour is not what we need x,y,z before pre season is because no matter how good he was did we achieve the aim of the season? I'm desperately hoping we have a list of players lined up that will improve the squad and that we actually get 3 or 4 in (hecky wants 7) before preseason. If this happens and we achieve what we all want please feel free to slag me off as much as you like.

• The strategy last season isn’t the same as the one now. They confirmed that when Hecky was brought in so I don’t know why you’re talking about young players we didn’t buy last season.
• Lots of money was wasted last season on loans Slav wanted that weren’t value for money. MGW certainly showed if used right it should give a huge advantage to those who can afford the wages.
• I don’t think there’s much doubt that we would have made a bid and been the most likely to be successful for MGW if we’d gone up. It’s about getting up and then having the ambition to spend the money. The board showed last time that they will make significant funds available to back the manager if we’re promoted.
• Why the fuck would we go in for Spence last season when we had Bogle and Baldock in that position? That’s just a nonsense move to spend any money where we have significant cover already. We aren’t buying right or left backs even if prime Cafu and Carlos are available in our price range.
• You’d have cashed in on Berge for the £10–12M reported at the start of last season? Strange.
• Players like MGW won’t be available to us until the 11th hour. Either accept that fact or accept signing players who aren’t at his level and who’s impact is likely to be much less.
• I don’t play the FM games so have no idea or who is thought to be coming through in league one and two. What I do know is we are not looking to pay larger fees for players, we’re targeting under valued younger players and high end loans. What I saw last season is a clear gap between our first team and the promising youngsters who weren’t ready. We need 3 or 4 22-27 year olds who have all played regular football and are ready to push the first team and step in now if required. I’d say 2 in defence right and left CB, midfield and maybe one upfront depending on what we do with the loans. Rothwell would certainly be one but we’re going to have serious competition and it’s unlikely we’ll be successful. We also need 2-3 top PL loans, there’s a significant MGW hole to fill and we need a cheat code forward if we can identify one.

 

[Snowflake]

Exactly why? What have we done so far? Very very early yes, and as I said I hope I'll be proved wrong (and i really hope so) but all those we have 'linked with' so far have gone elsewhere. Who are we actually looking at? What are your expectations?

“Linked” means little when the Club keeps its options close to it. There is no reason to believe we have missed anyone that we were really after.
If when we arrive in September the recruitment is not as good as those who moved elsewhere in the Championship then it would be fair to criticise. Until then I remain positive about who we will recruit.

 

[Blade58]

You never know, once the Calvert Lewin sell on money comes in, the Rammers add on fee comes in, Sander gets his way and moves on to the PL and we get confirmation GB has moved to Olympiacos for £2m, we'll be minted

I'm going with two buys and 3 - 4 loans................................whoever they may be?

 

[ATL Recs]

• The strategy last season isn’t the same as the one now. They confirmed that when Hecky was brought in so I don’t know why you’re talking about young players we didn’t buy last season.
• Lots of money was wasted last season on loans Slav wanted that weren’t value for money. MGW certainly showed if used right it should give a huge advantage to those who can afford the wages.
• I don’t think there’s much doubt that we would have made a bid and been the most likely to be successful for MGW if we’d gone up. It’s about getting up and then having the ambition to spend the money. The board showed last time that they will make significant funds available to back the manager if we’re promoted.
• Why the fuck would we go in for Spence last season when we had Bogle and Baldock in that position? That’s just a nonsense move to spend any money where we have significant cover already. We aren’t buying right or left backs even if prime Cafu and Carlos are available in our price range.
• You’d have cashed in on Berge for the £10–12M reported at the start of last season? Strange.
• Players like MGW won’t be available to us until the 11th hour. Either accept that fact or accept signing players who aren’t at his level and who’s impact is likely to be much less.
• I don’t play the FM games so have no idea or who is thought to be coming through in league one and two. What I do know is we are not looking to pay larger fees for players, we’re targeting under valued younger players and high end loans. What I saw last season is a clear gap between our first team and the promising youngsters who weren’t ready. We need 3 or 4 22-27 year olds who have all played regular football and are ready to push the first team and step in now if required. I’d say 2 in defence right and left CB, midfield and maybe one upfront depending on what we do with the loans. Rothwell would certainly be one but we’re going to have serious competition and it’s unlikely we’ll be successful. We also need 2-3 top PL loans, there’s a significant MGW hole to fill and we need a cheat code forward if we can identify one.

Point two wrong Slav didn’t get any of the players he wanted and the ex Forest bloke was in desperation or frustration

 

[Jan Age]

I’ve said it before and I will say it again.

Bettis is a politician.

He’s an expert in spinning lines to appease the fans.

Actions speak louder than words.

There will be no signings done early despite him saying that is what he and PH want to do. This is simply because we won’t pay the money in either transfer fees or, for free agents, wages that is required to secure early season signings/number one targets.

All our signings will be done late in the window when we can pick up players for cheaper and wages smaller as clubs and players will lower demands.

Any loans will be fine late on and as is always the case with a loan it will be pot luck if they work out.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Point two wrong Slav didn’t get any of the players he wanted and the ex Forest bloke was in desperation or frustration

You’re seriously saying Slav didn’t want Hourihane, Gibbs-White, Davies, Olsen? I know he wanted more but he certainly spunked a lot of money on that lot if he didn’t want any of them. No wonder the board thought twice when he wanted to blow even more while not getting the most out of what we had. I know I had questions especially why he hadn’t accepted the McBurnie bid and then not playing him, why Brewster was on the wing and why we wasn’t getting more out of Berge. All of which was massively reducing the value of our expensive assets while wanting more investment.
He was all wrong for us I’m afraid and we made the right decision to not indulge him further.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

All our signings will be done late in the window when we can pick up players for cheaper and wages smaller as clubs and players will lower demands.

Any loans will be fine late on and as is always the case with a loan it will be pot luck if they work out.

The best players aren’t generally available early in any window unless you’re the biggest pull with the biggest wages. We’re unlikely to be the biggest payers in the Championship so any early deals will be either frees or picking up cheap emerging talent from L1.
Any PL player where looking to loan that it top class in this league and a strong certainty to succeed isn't likely be available until the PL squads have been announced. If he does know now he’s going to be waiting to see who’s interested and isn’t going to the Championship unless he has no better offers.
I think we’re likely to be in for Rothwell but he’s a tough get for us but I’ve no doubt we’ve made a good case, ultimately I expect he’ll pick a PL option over us. Is your view that we shouldn’t make an effort for these players when it’s not impossible that he would come to us instead?

 

[Netsix_and_chill]

Whilst I do accept the logic as to why our business will be done later in the window it is fair for people to point ou that the type of players we could be in for are being signed now early in the window by teams we will b competing with next season. The earlier you get them in the more time to integrate them into the system we play.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Whilst I do accept the logic as to why our business will be done later in the window it is fair for people to point ou that the type of players we could be in for are being signed now early in the window.

If they were just pointing out the type I don’t think would cause much of a ripple. It’s losing their minds because we’ve not signed Coventrys left center half from last season instead of him going to QPR or not signed two players from MK Dons who've never even played at this level before.

 

[Champagneblade]

I'd say over half, if not all of the signings will be very late in the window. Of the supposed 7, I reckon a couple will be 'sourced' from within i.e. Davis stays, we decided to give Coulibaly a go and even decide there is enough cover on the left in Robinson, Norrington-Davies, Stevens and Osborn to eventually not bother. For the others they'll be two types.

Those young players that are almost but not quite will be given pre-season to stake a claim just like we will do with Neal, Brunt, Arblaster, Peck, Gordon and Lopata.

From that pool I'd be expecting us to try to grab hold of one if not two from:

Jaden Philogen-Bidace, 20, Villa (LW)
Cameron Archer, 20, Villa (CF, RW)
Cole Palmer, 20, Man City (AM)
James McAtee, 19, Man City (AM)
Liam Delap, 19, Man City (CF)
Amad Diallo, 19, Man Utd (RW)
Hannibal Mejbri, 19, Man Utd (AM)
Tahith Chong, 21, Man Utd (RW)
Shola Shoretire, 18, Man Utd (RW)
Jeremy Sarmiento, 20, Brighton (AM)
Abdallah Sima, 21, Brighton (RW)
Tino Anjorin, 20, Chelsea (AM)
Crysencio Summerville, 20, Leeds (RW)
Ian Poveda, 22, Leeds (AM)

Then you'll have those senior players that look like missing the final 25 man squads after the majority of business is done, which we'll be open to.

In such cases there is a lot to be said for not going too early and keeping your nerve, but then you do open yourself up to an element of fortune i.e. missing out on players in hindsight you could and would have got because you waited for better that didn't come or you buy early and then realise a better option was available and you've already spunked your muneh.

Then there's the possibility of unwelcome but hard to turn down bids where key players will need replacing.

If you're the club, there's no shortage of sticks to beat you with. Aim has to be to be better exiting the window than entering it so it's probably better just to relax and see what we have end July though I can appreciate that's easier said than done with so much news and rumours flowing daily.

 

[Snowflake]

Whilst I do accept the logic as to why our business will be done later in the window it is fair for people to point ou that the type of players we could be in for are being signed now early in the window by teams we will b competing with next season. The earlier you get them in the more time to integrate them into the system we play.

I don’t see many if any being signed that we would have realistically wanted. Just look at who Cardiff have signed !!

 

[Blacksea]

I'd say over half, if not all of the signings will be very late in the window. Of the supposed 7, I reckon a couple will be 'sourced' from within i.e. Davis stays, we decided to give Coulibaly a go and even decide there is enough cover on the left in Robinson, Norrington-Davies, Stevens and Osborn to eventually not bother. For the others they'll be two types.

Those young players that are almost but not quite will be given pre-season to stake a claim just like we will do with Neal, Brunt, Arblaster, Peck, Gordon and Lopata.

From that pool I'd be expecting us to try to grab hold of one if not two from:

Jaden Philogen-Bidace, 20, Villa (LW)
Cameron Archer, 20, Villa (CF, RW)
Cole Palmer, 20, Man City (AM)
James McAtee, 19, Man City (AM)
Liam Delap, 19, Man City (CF)
Amad Diallo, 19, Man Utd (RW)
Hannibal Mejbri, 19, Man Utd (AM)
Tahith Chong, 21, Man Utd (RW)
Shola Shoretire, 18, Man Utd (RW)
Jeremy Sarmiento, 20, Brighton (AM)
Abdallah Sima, 21, Brighton (RW)
Tino Anjorin, 20, Chelsea (AM)
Crysencio Summerville, 20, Leeds (RW)
Ian Poveda, 22, Leeds (AM)

Then you'll have those senior players that look like missing the final 25 man squads after the majority of business is done, which we'll be open to.

In such cases there is a lot to be said for not going too early and keeping your nerve, but then you do open yourself up to an element of fortune i.e. missing out on players in hindsight you could and would have got because you waited for better that didn't come or you buy early and then realise a better option was available and you've already spunked your muneh.

Then there's the possibility of unwelcome but hard to turn down bids where key players will need replacing.

If you're the club, there's no shortage of sticks to beat you with. Aim has to be to be better exiting the window than entering it so it's probably better just to relax and see what we have end July though I can appreciate that's easier said than done with so much news and rumours flowing daily.

It's a decent list of loan possibilities,Chong especially who can play a variety of attacking positions,would like to see us go for Plange if Palace decide to let him go out and maybe Ethan Laird.

 

[Slug]

I'd say over half, if not all of the signings will be very late in the window. Of the supposed 7, I reckon a couple will be 'sourced' from within i.e. Davis stays, we decided to give Coulibaly a go and even decide there is enough cover on the left in Robinson, Norrington-Davies, Stevens and Osborn to eventually not bother. For the others they'll be two types.

Those young players that are almost but not quite will be given pre-season to stake a claim just like we will do with Neal, Brunt, Arblaster, Peck, Gordon and Lopata.

From that pool I'd be expecting us to try to grab hold of one if not two from:

Jaden Philogen-Bidace, 20, Villa (LW)
Cameron Archer, 20, Villa (CF, RW)
Cole Palmer, 20, Man City (AM)
James McAtee, 19, Man City (AM)
Liam Delap, 19, Man City (CF)
Amad Diallo, 19, Man Utd (RW)
Hannibal Mejbri, 19, Man Utd (AM)
Tahith Chong, 21, Man Utd (RW)
Shola Shoretire, 18, Man Utd (RW)
Jeremy Sarmiento, 20, Brighton (AM)
Abdallah Sima, 21, Brighton (RW)
Tino Anjorin, 20, Chelsea (AM)
Crysencio Summerville, 20, Leeds (RW)
Ian Poveda, 22, Leeds (AM)

Then you'll have those senior players that look like missing the final 25 man squads after the majority of business is done, which we'll be open to.

In such cases there is a lot to be said for not going too early and keeping your nerve, but then you do open yourself up to an element of fortune i.e. missing out on players in hindsight you could and would have got because you waited for better that didn't come or you buy early and then realise a better option was available and you've already spunked your muneh.

Then there's the possibility of unwelcome but hard to turn down bids where key players will need replacing.

If you're the club, there's no shortage of sticks to beat you with. Aim has to be to be better exiting the window than entering it so it's probably better just to relax and see what we have end July though I can appreciate that's easier said than done with so much news and rumours flowing daily.

Cameron Archer will be next season’s MGW

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Cameron Archer will be next season’s MGW

What have you seen in him?

Is someone like Armstrong likely to be offered to the Championship if Southampton buy another forward? He didn’t exactly hit the ground running in his first season.
If they’re going to loan him to pump up his confident or retain his value it will need to be this next season so they can decide what to do with him while he has 2 years on his contract. Likewise will Davis be available from Villa if Notts Forest don’t cough up the £15-20M?