CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye signs new contract to 2024

[Kop sufferer]

I think the post is trying to say that it is a stretch to go from never ever starting a professional game and only playing around 15 mins in a league game as a sub and ditto in a cup game to suddenly becoming a regular.

He has not even played a league game on loan anywhere.

He may have some potential and be well thought of at the club but not surely the target this season is just for him to get some minutes here and there with maybe an occasional start? I wouldn't be opposed to him going on loan for a month. He might be 21 which is a few years older than Jebbison, Hackford etc but he has never played any pro football other than above.

I'm not quite sure why everyone is so convinced he's going to tear up the league as some on twitter have indicated? I'd love it to happen but to go from u23 football to hardened Championship games is still a big jump.

I'm not being a party pooper and good we have him extended but I think some are getting carried away by a few you tube goals and a lot of hype...albeit the club have created really which is not fair on him ( Prince saying he will be our best signing of the window was it?)

Completely get what you're saying DB, but, I look back to when TC arrived, yes I know it's light years ago, there was no social media etc, etc, no hype, as a football fan you got what you saw with your own eyes, same with Brooksy, remember what Morgs said about him and we began to believe in him.
Let's not piss about with loans, get him in the squad, let's all see if seeing is believing, time will tell ...... UTB

 

[Dkc]

A promising lad signs up for the next 3 years and all some on here can do is moan, some fans are a strange breed.

Not made a single league start and people think he's going to single handedly save our season and fire us to promotion. Some fans are a strange breed.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

And the next Diego De juve is born

 

[Weasel]

Not made a single league start and people think he's going to single handedly save our season and fire us to promotion. Some fans are a strange breed.

Not seeing many on here claim that the lad is single handedly going to save out season...

Some are pleased that he has signed on (I am) and that given time he might turn into a decent player. Not sure what else anyone is claiming to the contrary as no bugger (other than a fleeting appearance in the shit show at Leicester) has seen him kick a ball for the first team yet. So basically no one knows how he will get on yet.

The club announce his signing however they like. Some, including young lads who he's played with for the youth side think he's got decent potential. Great that's their opinion. However most fans are just waiting to see how he gets on now, nothing more, and they don't think that hes going to rival the second coming of Lazarus.

I'd be no more (or less) excited if we had signed the young kid from Barcelona B, as again he would be an unknown quantity really at first team level and he would have brought potential only. Bit like our own lad.

 

[Foody]

Dont want to piss on chips here as I'm genuinely in the dark on this lad, I've seen his name pop up on the Blades development twitter after scoring numerous times over the past couple of years it seems but that's about it, But the way everyone is going off its as if he's elite? is he really that good? like nailed on first teamer level good?

People saying he's the best signing of the summer, we suggesting he's better than MGW? who is only 5 weeks older than him but has 3 years pro football experience more.

Not being wanting to be a dick here, I just know we have form for over-hyping young players of this ilk whilst overlooking the less desirable young products, I do get it though there is nothing better than a homegrown forward topping the scoring charts or turning the opposition inside out I'm just trying to get a handle on this lad's actual level of ability?


All that waffle aside I'm glad he's signed on so we can at least give him a chance rather than lose him for an insulting pre fixed fee which is lower than the car he will buy after one year of moving on

I suppose it depends how you look at it. In all likelihood Gibbs-White will have a bigger impact on this season, and will almost certainly play more minutes. The 'signing' of Ndiaye is different though, he's a promising youth that we can develop. If he's even decent this season showing glimmers of the raw talent, then we know we've got something to build on for the future.

From the owners perspective I suppose this is even more true. Someone like Ndiaye can potentially have impact on the pitch and can also be a big asset for the club, whether that's a future with us or to help fund a rebuild.

Obviously he may develop the way we hope, but we should be excited to see promising young players coming through. One thing this club can be really proud of is the talent we bring through, hopefully this one follows suit, but gets more game time and grows with us (unlike say DCL).

 

[Micky Narker]

I'd rather Slav gave Ndiaye a crack off the bench than the likes of Burke. If he struggles then get a loan sorted out in Jan.

 

[adamawdhali]

For those that are sceptical (understandably so), ndiaye was by far the stand out for the u23s. I can confidently say he was better than jebbison who will be a star if developed properly.

 

[Boxer Blade]

People develop at different rates in life just like footballers do, a lot will depend on his own character, not in his ability but taking the step up, that's where the coaches and management around him come into play, forget his age leave it to experts, (not those on here) out of interest Saka started for England last night and scored, he's younger than our lad by a year or so, in fact it was his 20th birthday! I presume some on here wouldn't have Saka near our first team because of his age.

 

[metalblade]

Not seeing many on here claim that the lad is single handedly going to save out season...

Some are pleased that he has signed on (I am) and that given time he might turn into a decent player. Not sure what else anyone is claiming to the contrary as no bugger (other than a fleeting appearance in the shit show at Leicester) has seen him kick a ball for the first team yet. So basically no one knows how he will get on yet.

The club announce his signing however they like. Some, including young lads who he's played with for the youth side think he's got decent potential. Great that's their opinion. However most fans are just waiting to see how he gets on now, nothing more, and they don't think that hes going to rival the second coming of Lazarus.

I'd be no more (or less) excited if we had signed the young kid from Barcelona B, as again he would be an unknown quantity really at first team level and he would have brought potential only. Bit like our own lad.

You aren't following the narrative here, he is a promising lad in the under 23's we have quite a few of them some will go on to have good careers some might even go on to play for their countries, some will fall be the wayside and play non league we don't know if they will succeed until they are given a chance.
As is the United fans way (glass half empty) those shouting the loudest are the ones moaning that he will not be good enough mainly because the last kid who looked like making it big failed to kick on and is now playing non league.
My thoughts on this are he may turn out to be a star or he may end up playing for Hallam FC nothing more, but we are short of players in certain areas so what do we have to lose by giving these lads a go at first team level. Some fans want to stick these players in the under 23's for ever and would rather we spend millions on kids from other clubs like Barcelona, Liverpool, Man U or Chelsea I mean most of these high profile loans in have been shit to meh, only Henderson shined, I just don't see the downside of giving our own talent time on the pitch at some point you have to be brave enough to throw them in and see if they sink or swim.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Let's hope he's very good but yet to see any real evidence myself. Some players stand out instantly others take time for me to see what others see in them.

I saw a few of the u23 games they streamed last year and he didn't stand out as being any better.

Remember the hype about Hackford when there was no noise around Jebbison. Scored a tap in and is suddenly a future England international.

Let's hope they go on to do well but the expectations they WILL are crazy to me.

 

[jono_t2000]

People develop at different rates in life just like footballers do, a lot will depend on his own character, not in his ability but taking the step up, that's where the coaches and management around him come into play, forget his age leave it to experts, (not those on here) out of interest Saka started for England last night and scored, he's younger than our lad by a year or so, in fact it was his 20th birthday! I presume some on here wouldn't have Saka near our first team because of his age.

Yep. Saka didn't even have a loan spell before coming into Arsenal first team at 18. Plenty of players done the same every season year after year. Only our fans demand youth players go on loan before they have the right to play for the first team. Bizarre.

 

[metalblade]

Kids should only go out on loan if there are established players ahead of them, when you are short of bodies give them game time in our team rather than loan a kid in from elsewhere who maybe isn't any better than what we have.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I agree with the way the club have hyped him up has put a lot of pressure on the lad. However how would you know that he has a long way to go before being regular in the men's game.

He's 21 now not 17... 21 year olds are a dime a dozen in professional football, we ain't in the premier league anymore, the senior team aren't performing. The scenario couldn't be better for him to be ready to be introduced into the first team if you ask me.

To get all this hype from within in the club and his peers ! Tells me he can handle it.
That is testament to his character, he's had a rough ride to get this far which should help him to progress.
No doubt he has great ball skills the test now is to transfer that to first team football! For us !.

 

[Houston_Blade]

When he wasn't looking like signing it was "he's shit anyway" and "we don't even want him". Now he's Messi's long lost brother and we're announcing the signing over socials like he's some kind of world beater. I don't get it.

On the excitement level it's probably up there with when Kev Hurst signed his first professional contract with us in 2003.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

metalblade I can’t see anyone saying he’s not good enough - quite the opposite. And I desperately hope that he is. I just don’t get the way the club is going about thrusting him into the limelight. The owner didn’t need to say those things and giving academy lads trendy social media videos may give false pretences that they’ve actually already made it. All just seems a bit weird.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

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There’s already a post about this
https://www.s24su.com/forum/threads/u23s-v-birmingham-city-today-1pm-live-stream.86498/post-3327828

 

[Champagneblade]

When he wasn't looking like signing it was "he's shit anyway" and "we don't even want him". Now he's Messi's long lost brother and we're announcing the signing over socials like he's some kind of world beater. I don't get it.

On the excitement level it's probably up there with when Kev Hurst signed his first professional contract with us in 2003.

That CAN be an observation of some fans, our porcine neighbours being prime examples.

I honestly don't remember anyone saying anything against his playing ability. You'll probably even find only a few who tool the stance "well, if he doesn't want to stay..."

People genuinely hoped he would sign.

I know it is far too easy to get ahead of ourselves and say it's Div 3 levels but when a player has over 1 goal contribution per game then he's certainly doing his bit for inclusion.

He could well be the person you phase in as you faze out McGoldrick.

It's also possibly a means by which to get Mousse ticking once fit. There certainly seems to be chemistry between the pair.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

For those that are sceptical (understandably so), ndiaye was by far the stand out for the u23s. I can confidently say he was better than jebbison who will be a star if developed properly.

They're very different players and Jebbison was 17 years old.

 

[adamawdhali]

They're very different players and Jebbison was 17 years old.

But people aren’t talking about age. They’re talking about is he good enough. Different players but Ndiaye was better. That might change in a few years but point still stands

 

[JohnDenver]

To get all this hype from within in the club and his peers ! Tells me he can handle it.
That is testament to his character, he's had a rough ride to get this far which should help him to progress.
No doubt he has great ball skills the test now is to transfer that to first team football! For us !.

If the coaches are excited then that’s really good to hear.

But fellow academy players’ opinions aren’t the best guide. When Regan Slater was 17 and making his debut for us, I spoke to another player in the academy system. He said the consensus in the peer group was that other players in the same youth team were much better than Regan. Yet a few years on, he’s the one with a professional career.

Perhaps I’m being unfair, but I think raw skills are what youngsters are excited by, whereas coaches have the wider view of what’s needed.

 

[Houston_Blade]

That CAN be an observation of some fans, our porcine neighbours being prime examples.

I honestly don't remember anyone saying anything against his playing ability. You'll probably even find only a few who tool the stance "well, if he doesn't want to stay..."

People genuinely hoped he would sign.

I know it is far too easy to get ahead of ourselves and say it's Div 3 levels but when a player has over 1 goal contribution per game then he's certainly doing his bit for inclusion.

He could well be the person you phase in as you faze out McGoldrick.

It's also possibly a means by which to get Mousse ticking once fit. There certainly seems to be chemistry between the pair.

Hopefully he turns out decent, but the social media stuff is cringeworthy.

Mousset will never be fit though, that's a pipedream.

 

[Boxer Blade]

When he wasn't looking like signing it was "he's shit anyway" and "we don't even want him". Now he's Messi's long lost brother and we're announcing the signing over socials like he's some kind of world beater. I don't get it.

On the excitement level it's probably up there with when Kev Hurst signed his first professional contract with us in 2003.

I never knew Messi had a brother let alone he'd gone missing, could have been playing in our midfield for the last few months

 

[Need4speed]

Some young footballers demonstrate skill and technical ability and maybe in the eyes of their peers but better or worse players than others But to be a professional footballer skill and technical ability are only the start. Footballers need to able to play in a system, absorb what their role is and be able to execute the manager/coaches directions. The ones that make it at the top level are those.

 

[Farnboroughblade]

I do despair sometimes reading this forum. Up to his signing his contract, almost everyone was saying we should tie him down on a new deal before he dissappears. Now he has signed, some fans are splitting hairs as to whether he will come good or not. I really do believe that United fans are a breed on their own, always finding a negative streak in us, because it seems to be in our DNA; as the saying goes, we love to have a good moan.
I don't think it will happen, neither am i expecting it to happen, but I would just love to come back on Saturday evening and revisit this thread should the lad manage to get on the pitch in the 60th minute and grab a brace, each from scoring from outside the box. Reading the comments then would be pure gold.

 

[Chezzy Blades]

I think there’s probably been more emphasis from the club put onto this lad because they are probably aware some fans are disappointed the Collado & Karamouh deals fell through on deadline day.

I don’t know much about him, but hopefully too much pressure isn’t put on him to perform straight away. That said, I’m excited to see him play based on what others are saying about his performances in the u23s.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

I agree with the way the club have hyped him up has put a lot of pressure on the lad. However how would you know that he has a long way to go before being regular in the men's game.

He's 21 now not 17... 21 year olds are a dime a dozen in professional football, we ain't in the premier league anymore, the senior team aren't performing. The scenario couldn't be better for him to be ready to be introduced into the first team if you ask me.

I don’t know like I’m claiming it as fact. I’m just stating the obvious difference in boys and mens football. I really hope he is everything we want him to be and more but I’d prefer to be pleasantly surprised at how good he is rather than expect him being world class and then being disappointed. We just don’t know yet and that’s all my point is.

 

[Yogi]

Maybe a more accurate way of seeing what people’s expectations are for ndiaye this season is to talk about the amount of game time you see him getting this year rather than projecting what he could grow into. For me him making 10 starts and being consistently in and around the match day squad would represent a successful campaign for him anything over that is excellent.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

I do despair sometimes reading this forum. Up to his signing his contract, almost everyone was saying we should tie him down on a new deal before he dissappears. Now he has signed, some fans are splitting hairs as to whether he will come good or not. I really do believe that United fans are a breed on their own, always finding a negative streak in us, because it seems to be in our DNA; as the saying goes, we love to have a good moan.
I don't think it will happen, neither am i expecting it to happen, but I would just love to come back on Saturday evening and revisit this thread should the lad manage to get on the pitch in the 60th minute and grab a brace, each from scoring from outside the box. Reading the comments then would be pure gold.

I think fans - me included - are just a bit miffed by the noise around it. I’m not debating whether he’s good enough or will become good enough. To have that argument I’d have to have seen a lot more of him on a football pitch. I just think it’s unnecessary for the owner to come out with the stuff he has and the promo videos for an academy lad may go to his head. AGAIN, I hope I’m wrong.

The last part of your post is a bit bizarre. I’d be over the moon if he was involved Saturday and played a part in a win.

 

[robbiez666]

Some young footballers demonstrate skill and technical ability and maybe in the eyes of their peers but better or worse players than others But to be a professional footballer skill and technical ability are only the start. Footballers need to able to play in a system, absorb what their role is and be able to execute the manager/coaches directions. The ones that make it at the top level are those.

Ans there's the mental side, which is huge. I've known a lot of incredibly talented young lads who can run rings around others in a 5-aside or kick around, do well at youth levels but can't operate in a system. Who won't put the workrate in. Who don't follow instructions. Who don't have a clue when it comes to positioning or marking. Who can't handle being kicked about. Most of our 'best' academy prospects don't make a career in football for themselves. Most of those in the top academies, and people forget we're playing against the likes of Charlton and QPR and well below elite levels, don't make a career in football.

and yet the club come out with something like 'he's our best signing of the summer' when we've signed the best keeper in Sweden. Smacks of a publicity stunt to cover up the lack of investment, to me. It certainly does the lad no favours in terms of the pressure which is now on him.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Ans there's the mental side, which is huge. I've known a lot of incredibly talented young lads who can run rings around others in a 5-aside or kick around, do well at youth levels but can't operate in a system. Who won't put the workrate in. Who don't follow instructions. Who don't have a clue when it comes to positioning or marking. Who can't handle being kicked about. Most of our 'best' academy prospects don't make a career in football for themselves. Most of those in the top academies, and people forget we're playing against the likes of Charlton and QPR and well below elite levels, don't make a career in football.

and yet the club come out with something like 'he's our best signing of the summer' when we've signed the best keeper in Sweden. Smacks of a publicity stunt to cover up the lack of investment, to me. It certainly does the lad no favours in terms of the pressure which is now on him.

But saying all that makes you a different breed apparently.