IF IT HITS THE REF IT`S A DROP BALL

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Stretch said:
Replays show the ball didn't hit the ref, he just completely blocked Fleck out of the way.

Utter shit that they scored from it, but by the laws of the game, it was right to play on...sadly!
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If the ref had (accidently, but blatantly) hacked down Fleck, would play have continued?
 



If you get a chance , watch a replay of the incident . Having impeded the Sheffield United player he raises his whistle to his mouth - only to drop his arm again as he realises that City are in on goal . It's as good a reason as I have ever seen for not allowing referees to referee in their home town .
 
Bergen Blade said:
If the ref had (accidently, but blatantly) hacked down Fleck, would play have continued?
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I am not sure, I would like to think not but I am not sure how specific the rules are now, beyond the ball touching the ref at least. There is no doubt he completely blocked Fleck off today and had a huge impact on the passage of play. I am not arguing with that.

It's another tough one to take on the chin.
 
He didn't touch the ball, but the rule needs changing, he doesn't need to touch the ball to have a impact clearly.
 
kikka said:
If you get a chance , watch a replay of the incident . Having impeded the Sheffield United player he raises his whistle to his mouth - only to drop his arm again as he realises that City are in on goal . It's as good a reason as I have ever seen for not allowing referees to referee in their home town .
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I didn't see that on the replay to be fair, but I believe you and in that case I hope the club makes a formal complaint about it, because that just screams blatant bias.
 
Seriously though are we the crash test dummies for the premier leagues footballing rule book, to my knowledge three significant events have occurred in some of our games this season

1. Lundstrums big toe offside, before Eric Dier heads the ball away (which should have reset a phase of play) Result = No goal for didzy.

2. Newcastle score a goal which was onside, however flag was up and players had stopped, told to play to whistle although seemingly many teams not made aware of this fact In the VAR era. Result = Newcastle goal.

3. Tonight, Ref Doesn’t touch the ball granted, but clearly interfers with play. football law states “Decisions will be made to the best of the referee`s ability according to the Laws of the Game and the spirit of the game” not sure knowingly interfering/assisting play and not doing anything about it is within the spirit of the game. Result = 1 Nil down have to tactical change approach.

I bloody proud of the performance that the boys gave tonight, we didnt have the possession but we stuck it up em when we could. You big beautiful ba*&ards!

UTB! We go again!
 
Greg. said:
"If the ball touches the referee or another match official and goes into the goal, or results in a change of possession or a promising attack, a dropped ball will be awarded"

That's the rulebook which VAR checked for. However the grey area is if the referee doesn't technically touch it but still interferes in play, which this seems to fall under.
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No it’s not the if the ref interferes with play he can use his discretion to make a decision
If he touches the ball then the play is stopped the ref then allows the team that had the ball last to have it back the opposing team must retreat 5 yards ( or summat)
 
Everyone makes mistakes, and granted watching the replay it doesn’t look like the ref touches the ball, however, part of the FA rules is to make decisions not only in accordance with the laws of the game but within the sprit of the game..... this decision was not, IMO taking in to account the spirit of the game which places responsibility on fair play. What we witnessed tonight was not fair play.
 
Reminded me of when the ref took Tongue out in the cup semi, Liverpool i think or arsenal he let play go on cause that’s the rule then as it is now
 
kikka said:
If you get a chance , watch a replay of the incident . Having impeded the Sheffield United player he raises his whistle to his mouth - only to drop his arm again as he realises that City are in on goal . It's as good a reason as I have ever seen for not allowing referees to referee in their home town .
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He realises City in on goal so makes the decision to let it run presuming that his VAR chums would rule it out and declare the drop ball if he'd had a material effect on the game...they looked at it, checked the rule book, and realised that this wasn't covered so they had to let the goal stand.

The out-sourcing of responsibility to Stockley is the biggest problem with VAR.
 
I AM SICK OF VAR AND THE PREMIER LEAGUE - week after week, nonsense decision after nonsense decision goes against us.

How was that referee allowed to ref that match being from Manchester? How did he have his whistle in his mouth and then change his mind? How?
 
Barnette said:
I AM SICK OF VAR AND THE PREMIER LEAGUE - week after week, nonsense decision after nonsense decision goes against us.

How was that referee allowed to ref that match being from Manchester? How did he have his whistle in his mouth and then change his mind? How?
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I think he was going to award himself a free kick from Fleck's nasty challenge, but then saw Aguiro ran through so played the advantage.
 



Bergen Blade said:
I think he was going to award himself a free kick from Fleck's nasty challenge, but then saw Aguiro ran through so played the advantage.
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'played the advantage'. An advantage given to them by the ref. Wrong decision.
 
Surprised to learn there's nothing in the rule book to say that a referee cannot shield the ball from a player and wave play on when he loses possession.
 
It's the laws of the game that need reviewing and amending.
 
Karaoke Blade said:
Just checked his Wikipedia entry:

Chris Kavanagh is a Manc rat football referee who officiates primarily in the Premier League having been promoted to the Select Group of Referees in 2017.[3] Manchester City is his preferred brand.
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That’s surely a joke?
 
So apparently Cavanagh now has more assists than Jesse Lingard this season.

#cavanaghforengland
 
The first principle of any system of law is common sense. It’s not possible for everything to be documented in advance as certain situations can’t be predicted. This was one of those cases.

Forget the rule book, the ref is in charge and he has a whistle to stop play. He should have blown up and given an uncontested drop ball to us. It really isn’t difficult and he was about to do that, but for some reason when he saw the ball go to Man City he changed his mind. I think he panicked and hoped VAR would sort it out, which suggests to me that refs are scared to death to make any decisions. Not good for the game.
 
oohaah said:
The first principle of any system of law is common sense. It’s not possible for everything to be documented in advance as certain situations can’t be predicted. This was one of those cases.

Forget the rule book, the ref is in charge and he has a whistle to stop play. He should have blown up and given an uncontested drop ball to us. It really isn’t difficult and he was about to do that, but for some reason when he saw the ball go to Man City he changed his mind. I think he panicked and hoped VAR would sort it out, which suggests to me that refs are scared to death to make any decisions. Not good for the game.
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I'm thinking he was waiting for VAR to sort it out for him afterwards, bit like the Newcastle goal. 😞
 
oohaah said:
The first principle of any system of law is common sense. It’s not possible for everything to be documented in advance as certain situations can’t be predicted. This was one of those cases.

Forget the rule book, the ref is in charge and he has a whistle to stop play. He should have blown up and given an uncontested drop ball to us. It really isn’t difficult and he was about to do that, but for some reason when he saw the ball go to Man City he changed his mind. I think he panicked and hoped VAR would sort it out, which suggests to me that refs are scared to death to make any decisions. Not good for the game.
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This is the biggest issue for me

The ref decides to let VAR clear it up. The ref can make a decision in 'the spirit of the game' in the heat of the moment, but VAR will open the rule book and flick to page 23, part 3.2 sub para b for 3 minutes. It's an absolute shambles.
 



Makes you wonder what had happened if Fleck ignored the refs position and steamed towards the ball fouling the ref.
If the ref is rolling around injured on the ground then surely play would have been stopped....and Man City wouldn’t have scored.
However would Fleck have been booked for fouling the ref?
His argument would be the ref shouldn’t have been in the way. Not sure what the rules say.
 
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