Hecky out

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FallowfieldBlade said:
Slav couldn't because he was telling the team to play in the most unsuitable possible way that this team can be told how to play

Wilder did because he took us from league one to 9th in the premier league then as happens with most successful managers the journey had ran its course however i would bet he would have took us up last season if him and the prince weren't fighting

Hecky is doing a good job but lets not get carried away he has achieved nothing of note in his career when he does I will say well done

But to compare him to Wilder and Slav is deluded he is nowhere near as good as those two
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League record with United as permanent manager:
P36
W20
D9
L7
Pts 69
Win % 57.27
 
Under Wilder, the one thing we always struggled with was a lack of pace in the side. I'm not sure that players like Gibbs-White, N'Diaye, Khadra and Anel would have played for us under Wilder.
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
My views are the exact same as they were then

Hecky is doing a good job and this is the best he has ever done in his managerial career to date

However I think if you put most of the managers in the league in charge of us you would find us at the top of the league

We are where we are because we have the best squad in the league by a mile not because of heckys tactical genius.

If we went up i would have nightmares about him been a premier league manager and i would get rid of him for a manager who is better
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Well I’ve read some rubbish on here but this has to take the honour of worst yet ( unless I’ve missed something and it was written tongue in cheek). Who do you think put the squad together. Slav proved that having good players does not guarantee results. The players added this season are in the main awesome. With the injuries to left side of defence who has brought in magnificent replacements, sometimes playing out of their natural positions. Who revitalised Mcburnie, who attracted Anel to the club, who encouraged the great team spirit, who kept faith and even improved Norwood, who has every player playing like their life depended on it.
Is there room for improvement, of course there is, probably our away form being the main one.
However would I want anyone else as manager, not on your life. Finally Hecky speaks to the press 100 times better than any of our previous managers in the last twenty odd years. I couldn’t listen to Slav and even Wilder gave terrible interviews on the whole especially after one of his many defeats..
 
when Hecky was appointed I thought it was a strange appointment to say the least. However without any fanfare or promising the earth he has gone quietly about his business. I am particularly impressed with the new signings, and the way he has kept quiet about them until they had signed on the dotted line. I hope he continues in this vein and not only gets us to the promised land but with his prudent management keeps us there.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
That's not correct. It started with Wilder's 3-5-2 but the individual roles and tactical approach have evolved and isn't the same, if you think it is then there's not anywhere for this discussion to go.
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It’s a variation of 3-5-2 as I have just said

The only reason we are playing with overlapping wing backs and playing that formation is down to CW

FACTS
 
Edinblade said:
Well I’ve read some rubbish on here but this has to take the honour of worst yet ( unless I’ve missed something and it was written tongue in cheek). Who do you think put the squad together. Slav proved that having good players does not guarantee results. The players added this season are in the main awesome. With the injuries to left side of defence who has brought in magnificent replacements, sometimes playing out of their natural positions. Who revitalised Mcburnie, who attracted Anel to the club, who encouraged the great team spirit, who kept faith and even improved Norwood, who has every player playing like their life depended on it.
Is there room for improvement, of course there is, probably our away form being the main one.
However would I want anyone else as manager, not on your life. Finally Hecky speaks to the press 100 times better than any of our previous managers in the last twenty odd years. I couldn’t listen to Slav and even Wilder gave terrible interviews on the whole especially after one of his many defeats..
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Do you think Hecky scouted Anel ?

And hecky doesn’t speak to the press better than any other manager when we lose he doesn’t front it up and say it like it is
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
Do you think Hecky scouted Anel ?

And hecky doesn’t speak to the press better than any other manager when we lose he doesn’t front it up and say it like it is
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Probably not we have a scouting department for that , but what hecky did do was to speak to him in January and convince him to sign for us in the summer. Have you bother to listen to the interview which he also stated that hecky told him how he could see him playing in the team. So Fallowfield credit must go to hecky.
 



Edinblade said:
Well I’ve read some rubbish on here but this has to take the honour of worst yet ( unless I’ve missed something and it was written tongue in cheek). Who do you think put the squad together. Slav proved that having good players does not guarantee results. The players added this season are in the main awesome. With the injuries to left side of defence who has brought in magnificent replacements, sometimes playing out of their natural positions. Who revitalised Mcburnie, who attracted Anel to the club, who encouraged the great team spirit, who kept faith and even improved Norwood, who has every player playing like their life depended on it.
Is there room for improvement, of course there is, probably our away form being the main one.
However would I want anyone else as manager, not on your life. Finally Hecky speaks to the press 100 times better than any of our previous managers in the last twenty odd years. I couldn’t listen to Slav and even Wilder gave terrible interviews on the whole especially after one of his many defeats..
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Nailed it

Well done
 
MobileBlade said:
League record with United as permanent manager:
P36
W20
D9
L7
Pts 69
Win % 57.27
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Pro-rata it out to 46 games.

55.5% win percentage X 46 = 25.5 wins
= 76.6 points
25% draw percentage X 46 = 11.5 draws
= 11.5 points.

= 88 points.

Enough points to go up in 2nd place in 21/22, 19/20, 12/13, 11/12.
 
Important data is to review my attitude at the time of appointment for recent managers:

Clough - somewhat happy
Adkins - strongly in favour
Wilder - strongly opposed
Jokanovic - strongly in favour
Heckingbottom - strongly opposed

When it comes to managers it's best to go with the opposite of what I think.
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
Do you think Hecky scouted Anel ?

And hecky doesn’t speak to the press better than any other manager when we lose he doesn’t front it up and say it like it is
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It beats me how you don't earn a living as a top football manager. Such insight, such wisdom, such total and utter bollocks posted again and again in this thread.
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
It’s a variation of 3-5-2 as I have just said

The only reason we are playing with overlapping wing backs and playing that formation is down to CW

FACTS
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It isn’t and it’s not. Typing it in caps doesn’t change a thing. The facts are that we predominantly do not play a pair of forwards. In fact we never play it unless we’re chasing a game and then it’s still with 2 supporting. I doubt you could list more than a single instance of consecutive games where we have had a front 2.

Wilder wouldn’t be this expansive, or at least we never saw it if he would. Wilder and Knill started us playing a back 3, Hecky has moved it on at least two iterations forward to what it is now. Remember when Wilder left we played 5-3-2 with a flat three. That’s Wilders progression of his formation and he continues to hone it to this very day.
That’s a whole world away from the 3-4-2-1 we now generally always start with. The only remaining element from Wilder is the 3 and that our centre halves push on aside from that there’s no strong coloration to what we play now and what Wilder created. At best they share a common ancestor, elements of DNA but Hecky has evolved us to now have significant evolutionary advantages.
 
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Flatulent_Bob said:
It isn’t and it’s not. Typing it in caps doesn’t change a thing. The facts are that we predominantly do not play a pair of forwards. In fact we never play it unless we’re chasing a game and then it’s still with 2 supporting. I doubt you could list more than a single instance of consecutive games where we have had a front 2.

Wilder wouldn’t be this expansive, or at least we never saw it if he would. Wilder and Knill started us playing a back 3, Hecky has moved it on at least two iterations forward to what it is now. Remember when Wilder left we played 5-3-2 with a flat three. That’s Wilders progression of his formation and he continues to hone it to this very day.
That’s a whole world away from the 3-4-2-1 we now generally always start with. The only remaining element from Wilder is the 3 and that our centre halves push on aside from that there’s no strong coloration to what we play now and what Wilder created. At best they share a common ancestor, elements of DNA but Hecky has evolved us to now have significant evolutionary advantages.
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You are giving hecky far far too much credit and not enough credit to wilder

The only reason that hecky is doing half as good a job is because wilder built this framework to play in which hecky has copy and pasted and made minor changes too

If you don’t think that you are deluded Bob

And like most of our fans suffer from recency bias

This week Norwood is the greatest ever player to put on a red and white shirt after the Watford game I saw people saying we should sell him

Same applies for hecky however he will have to take us up for me to change my opinion if him. Decent manager not great
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
If you don’t think that you are deluded Bob

And like most of our fans suffer from recency bias

This week Norwood is the greatest ever player to put on a red and white shirt after the Watford game I saw people saying we should sell him

Same applies for hecky however he will have to take us up for me to change my opinion if him. Decent manager not great
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Don’t throw that recency bias shite at me or your straw men of things you’ve heard. You’ve not heard them from me and you’ll not find it in any historic posts or comments in my profile.
Have a look though, check out Berge, Brewster, McBurnie, Norwood, Egan, Sharp any of the usual easy suspects for criticism over the years, but you’ll find nothing where I’ve flipped from writing them off to lauding them. The closest you’ll get is Brewster because I didn’t think he was the right signing at the time because he wasn’t ready. Never slagged him off though, before then claiming he’s the answer to all our goal scoring prayers. Do you think your posts would stand up to the same level of scrutiny?
If you’re going to play the man rather than the ball at least use something credible.
 
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FallowfieldBlade said:
We are where we are because we have the best squad in the league by a mile not because of heckys tactical genius
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FallowfieldBlade said:
Im not slagging hecky off , im just saying he hasnt got any track record to show that he is good enough to take a team up if he does then ill be wrong

However if he cant get this team up then he may aswell pack up as a manager
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But, this is, literally, a squad that Hecky has built. Building on a squad that he also built last season. What team are you watching? Not us, it seems.

Flatulent_Bob said:
Genuine question. Do you watch the games?
Our tactics aren't like how Wilder set us up aside from the fact we play a central 3 at the back.

Wilder didn't play 1 up front, he didn't play 2 support players sat behind and we're not playing it with the same approach.
Hecky has positively evolved the formation Wilder's favoured which is something Chris didn't do. He fell back to a flat 3, albeit to protect against better sides, but no Wilder side was as expansive as the team going into the end of last season, nor the one which has started this season.
The season stats will play this out but at the moment this team is more exciting, quicker on the attack, more expansive and more offensive.

That's not to say it's more effective or even better but our approach and setup isn't the same as Wilder, aside from 3 at the back.
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This ^^^^

I really should know better than to reply to Fallowfool, but honestly…

If you can’t watch how we are playing at the moment and see a MUCH more nuanced and fluid version of wilderball—structurally, strategically, tactically—then you may as well give football up, frankly 🤷‍♂️
 
ShockingBadBuy said:
But, this is, literally, a squad that Hecky has built. Building on a squad that he also built last season. What team are you watching? Not us, it seems.


This ^^^^

I really should know better than to reply to Fallowfool, but honestly…

If you can’t watch how we are playing at the moment and see a MUCH more nuanced and fluid version of wilderball—structurally, strategically, tactically—then you may as well give football up, frankly 🤷‍♂️
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…and actually none of my post criticised Wilder just said Hecky had taken it on.
Just as he’s taken on Lowe, Berge, Bogle, RND, and Ndiaye and got them playing the best football they’ve had in their Blades career.
Would I consider his impact as great as Wilder? No, not yet. But I see progression from Wilders team, and it’s going to be fun to see if we can last the course over a tough 46 game season.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Pro-rata it out to 46 games.

55.5% win percentage X 46 = 25.5 wins
= 76.6 points
25% draw percentage X 46 = 11.5 draws
= 11.5 points.

= 88 points.

Enough points to go up in 2nd place in 21/22, 19/20, 12/13, 11/12.
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Clearly a good manager would be on track for 120 points a season minimum then
 



To get back to the thread title of 'Hecky out' , I hope he is out.
Out looking for a loan CB to cover for Egan.
I can't see anyone to slot in there.
Our biggest vulnerability at the moment is losing Egan , whether to Leeds , to injury or to suspension.
I certainly don't want to lose Anel's attacking prowess by making him CCB.
Bash is not a CCB nor is RND.
My instinct would be Lopata but he isn't even in the squad.
So get out Hecky + loan us a CCB.
Unless Clark is suitable + already fit.
 
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