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You can’t listen to Hecky and not think he knows what he is doing. He is adept at dealing with stupid questions. There is clearly a plan for player development He has a great team of coaches and it is not all about him
Absolutely, it's been mentioned already on the thread about developing the youth, something a lot of us have wanted for a long time.

You don't have to look very far to see that the club feels happy and together. Obviously behind the scenes who knows but the way the players are, the reactions and the team spirit is wonderful to see, maybe rose tinted spectacles but I love how quickly the new signings seem to have adapted in to the squad. The coaching staff are clearly doing their job and they've even managed to coax a seemingly half arsed McBurnie in to bagging a couple of goals.

That last Wilder season was just a very strange looking United not the one we had seen in previous Wilder seasons. Perhaps it was the good thing coming to an end, I'm not sure but it's nice to see we look like we're back there again.
 



You can’t listen to Hecky and not think he knows what he is doing. He is adept at dealing with stupid questions. There is clearly a plan for player development He has a great team of coaches and it is not all about him
We loved Chris being a United fan and it felt quite unique but I think when you Hecky seems to be more about the group and about planning rather than chest thumping. He's degree educated and a lot gets made of his presentations. I'd imagine he's quite meticulous. I think Chris left that to Alan.

To give an example there is the, let's call it, 'Chris the Redeemer' photo on the Town Hall balcony. Very fun and loved by the fans showing their adulation.

That would never be Hecky. He'd more be at the side chatting with the staff applauding the players.

Two very different personalities. Both probably right for the group of players at that time.
 
Debate whether Hecky is a follower or an innovator with tactics, as a coach he has clearly helped players imprive. Almost systematically he has gone through the squad and found something whether tactical, fitness related or technical, with younger players emerging and revitalising older players, that can be related to actual coaching, not just motivation.
 
Hang on. The backlash from fans when it was suggested as a possibility was significant and pretty much across the board particularly on social media. Slav was pushed as the ambitious option and he was told by fans that it was who was wanted.
I’m not sure he got caught up in the hype, but given his support of our campaign to return to the Premier League he listened to the fans and gave them who they wanted. It’s no surprise the new chairman came in and pretty much said at Heckys first press conference that they are are sticking to their plan and not listening to the noise.
I for one supported the decision to bin slav for hecky. Its all on here. Though I agree I was pretty much in a minority of 1.
 
Some ridiculous revisionist history on here. I'll tackle it chronologically, starting with the Wilder comments. CW inherited a dog shit squad. Maybe the worst since the fourth division days. He had no money to replace the players at his disposal. Quite the contrary: he had to sell any remnants of class remaining (Sharp aside) and the future of the club: Ramsdale, DCL, Adams to get a few quid to reinvest. The only advantage he had was the volume of shit players out of contract.He could put his stamp on it with bargain bin signings. What took place afterwards was a modern day football miracle: an ascenscion to the premier league with a positive net spend.An asset base that was built up in spite of this lack of spending. Many "reclamation projects" that turned into huge assets for the team.

The notion that he was"backed" in the Prem is an arguable one. In the first Prem season with the lowest wage bill and a summer spending of around 40 million we finished 9th (Berge was added in Jan when we were virtually safe). How would you compare that with, say, Forest's current spending? Backed? You have to also factor in the chronic lack of investment pre Premier League. Has any club ever had such little investment in the previous 5 years and sold all its best young players and survived in the Prem for a year? The second year we replaced our goalkeeper and lost two key players with serious injuries. We also signed a young striker that didn't work out. I'd still say that relegation wasn't unexpected.

Slav inherited what should've been a promotion squad. It needed a left centre back and maybe a midfielder at a push. He inherited a system and a squad of players capable of smashing this division. The narrative on here (certainly the consensus) was that Slav was an incredible manager, Hecky was the cheap option and (increasingly) that promotion was a pipe dream because our squad was shit. When Slav came out of the summer window he was bitching at the board saying he needed eight more players 🤣. I saw Slav coming and argued against him getting the job coining the term "cheque book Slav" drawing comparisons with Robson. All of his previous sides were very limited tactically. They were the Championship galacticos: highly paid, much more talented than their opposition. He played really expansively and outscored teams because he could. At United he got exposed for the fraud he is because he had to manage and show some tactical acumen to win games. Man manage players. Wheel and deal in the market.

The notion that Slav and Hecky got a worst hand than Wilder is laughable. Look at the squads they inherited and the expensive loans they've had. The difference with Hecky is that he's not stupid enough to abandon Wilder's system (in fact he's adapted it), he can develop players and his signings have looked very good. By the end of last season Hecky had thoroughly exposed Slav and the majority of analysts on here that said our squad was shit and Slav was badly treated.
 
Some ridiculous revisionist history on here. I'll tackle it chronologically, starting with the Wilder comments. CW inherited a dog shit squad. Maybe the worst since the fourth division days. He had no money to replace the players at his disposal. Quite the contrary: he had to sell any remnants of class remaining (Sharp aside) and the future of the club: Ramsdale, DCL, Adams to get a few quid to reinvest. The only advantage he had was the volume of shit players out of contract.He could put his stamp on it with bargain bin signings. What took place afterwards was a modern day football miracle: an ascenscion to the premier league with a positive net spend.An asset base that was built up in spite of this lack of spending. Many "reclamation projects" that turned into huge assets for the team.

The notion that he was"backed" in the Prem is an arguable one. In the first Prem season with the lowest wage bill and a summer spending of around 40 million we finished 9th (Berge was added in Jan when we were virtually safe). How would you compare that with, say, Forest's current spending? Backed? You have to also factor in the chronic lack of investment pre Premier League. Has any club ever had such little investment in the previous 5 years and sold all its best young players and survived in the Prem for a year? The second year we replaced our goalkeeper and lost two key players with serious injuries. We also signed a young striker that didn't work out. I'd still say that relegation wasn't unexpected.

Slav inherited what should've been a promotion squad. It needed a left centre back and maybe a midfielder at a push. He inherited a system and a squad of players capable of smashing this division. The narrative on here (certainly the consensus) was that Slav was an incredible manager, Hecky was the cheap option and (increasingly) that promotion was a pipe dream because our squad was shit. When Slav came out of the summer window he was bitching at the board saying he needed eight more players 🤣. I saw Slav coming and argued against him getting the job coining the term "cheque book Slav" drawing comparisons with Robson. All of his previous sides were very limited tactically. They were the Championship galacticos: highly paid, much more talented than their opposition. He played really expansively and outscored teams because he could. At United he got exposed for the fraud he is because he had to manage and show some tactical acumen to win games. Man manage players. Wheel and deal in the market.

The notion that Slav and Hecky got a worst hand than Wilder is laughable. Look at the squads they inherited and the expensive loans they've had. The difference with Hecky is that he's not stupid enough to abandon Wilder's system (in fact he's adapted it), he can develop players and his signings have looked very good. By the end of last season Hecky had thoroughly exposed Slav and the majority of analysts on here that said our squad was shit and Slav was badly treated.
Couldn't agree more. The constant sniping at the likes of Norwood, Baldock et al as washed up TuftyBall proponents over the past two years has been embarrassing. There are a couple round these parts who have (tried) to make a name for themselves by constantly bashing these and our former manager - and thankfully Hecky is making them look ridiculously stupid!

The 'Wilder Era' went south because he disappeared up his own sphincter, believed his own hype and got away from the core basics that had made his reign a success. Not because the players became bad overnight...

Hecky is showing there was/is plenty of life left in this squad with the right man-mgt and tactical dexterity.

Slav was just a charlatan. You only have to look at his pre-season and the state of the prematch warm-up routines to see his coaching setup were making it up as they went along...
 
I for one supported the decision to bin slav for hecky. Its all on here. Though I agree I was pretty much in a minority of 1.
I’ll have to take your word for it but I can’t remember anyone championing Hecky over Slav, Clement or Nuno when the appointment was being made.
 
I’ll have to take your word for it but I can’t remember anyone championing Hecky over Slav, Clement or Nuno when the appointment was being made.
You don't have to take my word. Just sesrch my posts.
 
You don't have to take my word. Just sesrch my posts.
As I said I’ll take your word for it. I’m just saying that when Wilder left and Hecky was floated as being on the shortlist I can’t recall anyone saying they wanted him appointed instead of Slav or the other candidates. I wanted Clement and was sceptical of Slav and his approach but fair fucks to you if you were championing Hecky as staying in role.
 
Is Sean Dyche still available?

Yes and I’d still appoint him over hecky tommroow

First Quality 45 minutes in what the last 7 games

If he can make us play like that for the next 27 games then I’ll change my mind

Even if we went up the thought of heckingbottom in the prem gives me nightmares
 
Yes and I’d still appoint him over hecky tommroow

First Quality 45 minutes in what the last 7 games

If he can make us play like that for the next 27 games then I’ll change my mind

Even if we went up the thought of heckingbottom in the prem gives me nightmares
Do you require any more straws to clutch at? TBF the players also deserve some credit, for being so well led. ;)
 
Do you require any more straws to clutch at? TBF the players also deserve some credit, for being so well led. ;)

I’m not clutching at any straws

Well led ? One good 45 minutes in the last 9 games isn’t well led

Still no pattern of play by the manager etc …..

We have the best squad in the league as hwas shown today when the players can get up for it
 
Yes and I’d still appoint him over hecky tommroow

First Quality 45 minutes in what the last 7 games

If he can make us play like that for the next 27 games then I’ll change my mind

Even if we went up the thought of heckingbottom in the prem gives me nightmares
Take a bow for speaking absolute crap. Sometimes it’s better to be thought a fool, rather than prove it.
 



I’m not clutching at any straws

Well led ? One good 45 minutes in the last 9 games isn’t well led

Still no pattern of play by the manager etc …..

We have the best squad in the league as hwas shown today when the players can get up for it
I have to give Wilder some credit for his far sighted signing of McBurnie. Apart from that little nugget, you are all sour grapes. Especially with PH!
 
I have to give Wilder some credit for his far sighted signing of McBurnie. Apart from that little nugget, you are all sour grapes. Especially with PH!
Wilder may have signed McBurnie, but he never utilised him properly. He spent the majority being played away from his strengths, he said this himself in his interviews. He said that he had to adjust to what the manager expected of him, to work back etc…..

Hecky has then had to work with him and remind him what his strengths are. Hecky said himself that he sat him down and reminded him that he’s a number 9 who Is lethal in the box. He said something along the lines of “I’ve reminded Oli that he’s a striker and that he needs to be inbetween the posts, that’s where he’s at his very best”….

So yeah thanks for signing him, but then effectively he changed him for the worse
 
Wilder may have signed McBurnie, but he never utilised him properly. He spent the majority being played away from his strengths, he said this himself in his interviews. He said that he had to adjust to what the manager expected of him, to work back etc…..

Hecky has then had to work with him and remind him what his strengths are. Hecky said himself that he sat him down and reminded him that he’s a number 9 who Is lethal in the box. He said something along the lines of “I’ve reminded Oli that he’s a striker and that he needs to be inbetween the posts, that’s where he’s at his very best”….

So yeah thanks for signing him, but then effectively he changed him for the worse
I was having a gentle dig at Fallowfield. Forgot to add a smiley, sorry.
 
Yes and I’d still appoint him over hecky tommroow

First Quality 45 minutes in what the last 7 games

If he can make us play like that for the next 27 games then I’ll change my mind

Even if we went up the thought of heckingbottom in the prem gives me nightmares
mad as a box of frogs

so we were rubbish at west brom then
 
Yes and I’d still appoint him over hecky tommroow

First Quality 45 minutes in what the last 7 games

If he can make us play like that for the next 27 games then I’ll change my mind

Even if we went up the thought of heckingbottom in the prem gives me nightmares
It must be so miserable being you. Still, thank heavens for small mercies.
 
Yes and I’d still appoint him over hecky tommroow

First Quality 45 minutes in what the last 7 games

If he can make us play like that for the next 27 games then I’ll change my mind

Even if we went up the thought of heckingbottom in the prem gives me nightmares
Jeeeeeezzzzzzzz.......... Can you believe this guy... loves to wear self-embarrassment like a Onesy
 



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