Hawkeye Decision at Villa Park

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We were one up against Southampton and look what happened.
No one will ever know whether Villa gained a point or not, so I think we should all move on and get excited about all our new signings !
 
sonofbruce said:
This might seem controversial to some but I never blamed the Tevez situation on our demise. We had 38 games to stay up and we failed. We had the easiest run in playing Charlton, Watford, Villa, West Ham and Wigan near the end of the season, all of whom were in the relegation fight with us. We only beat West Ham and Watford. We deserved to go down, especially due to Warnock's defeatist negative away tactics.

Bournemouth had 38 game to stay up. They haven't been good enough overall and a result at another match not involving them shouldn't define their season.

I like Bournemouth, I like Eddie Howe and I despise Villa. But they've deserved to go down, much like we did. Sorry.
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Two different scenarios in my opinion. One is most likely human error (unless the cameras were really occluded). The other is a team deliberately breaking the rules of the competition in order to gain a competitive edge over their rivals. This clearly had a direct impact on our finishing position.
 
varkanoid said:
Anyone else think of the bias against us for the Southampton match when McCarthy didnt handle the ball outside the box ? His first touch looked like it was just inside but his second fingertip touch looked like it was outside from the limited angles we got. It went to VAR. VAR rules no handball, we never saw what VAR saw ?
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What would VAR have been checking for? No case for a goal, penalty or mistaken identity, so it could only have been if it was a clear and obvious red card, which would have been ridiculous.

VAR may well have thought the ref missed a handball and free kick, but never would that have been a red card.
 
Deadbat said:
They scored a goal at Palace too.

Right at the end.

You could argue that was more clear cut in terms of points denial than ours where we had 45 mins to go still.

Nothing is going to happen. It's done.

What's annoying is the same people will bring it up next year when we play Villa. Imagine if they stay up at our expense next year...this will all come back again.

Please can we move on.

I hate this victim mentality nonsense. The Man Utd pens v us (they get in the box loads- we dont), the VAR table (seen Kevin Gage tweeting about it again). United fans need to be better that that. You finish where you deserve to finish. Yes some decisions go for you and some against....but I just don't get why our fans are going on about this still desperate to get Bournemouth to act. They won't.
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No they didn’t. The whistle was blown before the ball was over the line, so they didn’t score and there was no goal for VAR to check.

But even if they had ‘scored’, there is a clear difference between the objective fact of the ball crossing the line and a subjective decision on a dive. I don’t understand how some people can’t see that.
 
I haven't forgotten Bouremouth's despicable diving and cheating against us at the lane in Feb (close to but not quite on a par with Norwich 17/18) so I've not an ounce of sympathy for them. However, I hope they take up arms against the arseholes running Hawkeye and/or PGMOL.

Whatever the shortcomings of Hawkeye were I will never understand or accept why the spineless Tierney sat in his little box like a rabbit caught in the headlights. I don't know whether it was BBC technology or VAR but on MOTD yesterday they showed a line analysis of a ball nearly out for a throw in just before a goal in the Burnley v Brighton game to check the goal. I assume it was VAR. If they can check that afterwards then they could have checked ours at Villa.

VAR = Villa Avoid Relegation device
 
Bla blade said:
I haven't forgotten Bouremouth's despicable diving and cheating against us at the lane in Feb (close to but not quite on a par with Norwich 17/18) so I've not an ounce of sympathy for them. However, I hope they take up arms against the arseholes running Hawkeye and/or PGMOL.

Whatever the shortcomings of Hawkeye were I will never understand or accept why the spineless Tierney sat in his little box like a rabbit caught in the headlights. I don't know whether it was BBC technology or VAR but on MOTD yesterday they showed a line analysis of a ball nearly out for a throw in just before a goal in the Burnley v Brighton game to check the goal. I assume it was VAR. If they can check that afterwards then they could have checked ours at Villa.

VAR = Villa Avoid Relegation device
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spot on i was surprised at the tactics they used at the Lane thier manager really dropped a few ratings in my eyes love that VILLA AVOID RELEGATION DEVICE
 
There was a problem with Hawkeye but this could have been rectified by VAR. The PL have said that under the protocols VAR could have intervened but the operators decided not to. As VAR is there to correct decisions where there is a clear and obvious Mistake it is unbelievable that they did not intervene. the fact they didn’t just shows how incompetent the operation of VAR and it’s officials has been most of the season.
 

Not too fussed about Villa.

They were worse than us over a 46 game Championship season by 13 points.

Over a 38 game Premiership season they were 19 points worse off.

Alastair Campbell and Dominic Cummings couldn't spin it that Villa are better.

We will get about 15m more money from the PL.

They have a strong reliance on one player.

So two things will happen:
1. He stays in a team where they rely on him heavily and they somehow have to recruit further to close a 19 point gap.
2. He goes, they get a decent fee for him, but for that money they will not be able to attract a like for like quality replacement.

Either way, they require a lot more improvement than we do.
 
Bournemouth considering taking legal action against Hawkeye.
 
TomJonesBlade said:
Bournemouth considering taking legal action against Hawkeye.
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Hope they do, Hawkeye's incompetence shows up this bollocks for what it is. If B'mouth do go ahead with this and win, the potential repercussions could prove interesting in terms of who finished where.
 
Deadbat said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Bournemouth's legal challenge over Hawk-Eye blunder is doomed

Hawk-Eye were quick to make a public apology after Sheffield United scored a goal in their 0-0 draw with Aston Villa on June 17 which was not given.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Saying the legal challenge would be doomed due to the rules and how they read.
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Reading the article just shows that because wording says this or that it shouldn't mean that it's an absolute. Reading how it's worded, there's a clear case to my mind that it's flawed, but it would need a top notch legal bod to get their head around this.
 
Even if that "goal" hadn't any effect on league placings, it needs to be very seriously looked at as does the whole VAR system. Hopefully Bournemouth will sue and we at least get a proper, serious discussion about how VAR is used. It should not be used, for example, to call offside because of a big toe, big nose or big anything else. The referee on the pitch MUST be the sole arbiter, not some oik in a room in a galaxy, far, far away, with more TV screens than he can see with two eyes.
 
Under the heading ‘Match Validity’ — which incorporates technology advances — the rulebook states: ‘In principle, a match is not invalidated because of malfunction of the VAR technology (as for goal-line technology).’

I don't think they would be questioning the validity of the result. They're considering compensation because the result is valid.

It's easy to look at this as fans where there are no personal financial consequences. But lets say you had a lottery ticket and you got all 6 numbers. The 'technology' described as infallible then erroneously spits out a 7th ball, then an 8th ball, then a 9th. Do you want a redraw or do you want the first 6 numbers to be valid? The majority of people would be happy with a redraw because they're not financially affected and it gives them another shot at the big one while you're left waving your ticket around saying how unfair it is that you're not a few million quid up on the deal. It doesn't make it fair or right just because the unaffected majority are happy to shrug their shoulders and say that shit happens.

Football is a business and if they're out of pocket they'll be looking at ways to recoup their losses.

At the end of the day, this event happened a couple of minutes before half time and there was a 15 minute gap to decide how to best resolve it. Even at half time when the world knew it was behind the line VAR could have awarded the goal and replayed the last couple of minutes of the half and they'd have received more priase than grumbles for correcting an obvious error. It was hoped it be inconsequential and so the powers that be did nothing. Now it's a bigger mess than it ever needed to be.
 
Delighted they are taking a legal challenge, purely because this has the stink of a cover up. If hawkeye came out with their statement and then revealed the 7 occluded camera shots fine move on, but they havent produced any images. I dont believe they exist because I think simply the system wasnt switched on.

Which again fine if they came out and stated somehow the system wasnt switched on its bad luck you move on but I cant stand for a cover up and for me ther reply was BS. None of us should stand for a cover up, because if we accept it then it will lead t another cover up in future that might be even bigger, and then a bigger one after that.

Bournmouth aint getting a reprieve but may get a few quid for their troubles good luck to them, win or lose i dont really care I just want to see the 7 images or prove Hawkeye are a lying shower
 

Leicester should sue because Manchester United got the penalty incorrectly. Probably a few more incorrect as well, as they received by far the most penalties this season.

Every team should sue!
 
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