Hawkeye Decision at Villa Park

[FriethBlade]

How is it good news for us they have very wealthy owners that can invest heavily

Yes it didn't do much for them this season but with the right investment they could end up having a far better season and finish above us.

I already explained didnt I? Bournemouth have a premiership squad built over 4-5 season with some very good players. Villa finished 6th in the championship, scraped through the play offs and stayed up because of our goal not given.

With the right investment ??? They spent 140m last summer on shit and are.likely to repeat. They will lose their best player and their defence is awful. Bournemouth if they'd stayed up would be just as likely to invest and improve a decent squad.

If be much more confident about finishing higher than Villa again than Bournemouth. Plus we.might get the opportunity to sign Ramsdale now so its a win win for me

 

[Whiston Blade]

I couldn’t give a shite, I was bored of the Hawkeye no goal about an hour after the final whistle. Bournemouth should have done better over the whole season, just like we should have in the PL under Warnock.

 

[Blade1959]

Okay, a hypothetical question.

Say Bournemouth won or drew a game earlier in the season as VAR incorrectly ruled in their favour, and Villa lost a game due to an incorrect VAR decision went against them, then would the phantom goal that we scored even be relevant?

If incorrect VAR decisions were to come into an appeal, then ALL incorrect VAR decisions would have to be considered or all teams could cry foul.

Do we now sue the Premier League for missing out on Europe due to VAR? What if we do and the teams around us then launch appeals and VAR review then shows that we would've missed out anyway due to other decisions going against teams above us who would have had more points anyway?

It could be never ending.

It wasn’t Var

 

[Barney]

Kinda glad we lost out on Europe by more than 2 points, I won't lie.

It would have been gutting to give anybody the satisfaction of us being denied by a bullshit hawkeye decision.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

It wasn’t Var

What I'm trying to say is that the Hawkeye goal aside, there could have been other incorrect VAR decisions that went in Bournemouth's favour that might have made the Hawkeye goal irrelevant in the bigger picture.

 

[Stretch]

I wonder if a club or lawyer could request access to the system data for that match? It would be interesting to see if it was actually turned on, or just faulty. If the former, then I honestly don't see how the PL can't be sued for negligence. If the system just had a brainfart, then I think it is a different story, the finger will point towards Hawkeye, but no system can expected to be flawless in the eyes of the law.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of financial settlement, in any case.

 

[1889]

I’ve worked it out that Bournemouth would still have gone down on goals scored or is my maths shite?

Not quite, but you could get there with a bit of revision

 

[Lawrence]

I heard the guy from "football law" on the radio recently. He said there was no basis for a case as the technology used met "industry standards".
He also said the pigs case was dependent on whether the pigs had documentary evidence that they could backdate the ground sale to the previous year's accounts. If they do, no case to answer; if not they're screwed and the punishment can happen this year.

Yer but he is a Villa fan so what’s he going to say?

 

[Lawrence]

Look at the league table again. 2 more points would have meant we are still behind Arsenal on GD

Yes, sorry you are correct!

 

[Deadbat]

Bouremouth fans dont give a crap. Also a court of law would throw it out - the game was not finished at that point.

There's only our fans still going on about it. Please can we move on.

 

[drinksmat]

I blame Billy. If he hadn't scored that equaliser last August, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[Oldun]

VAR decisions are still subjective to a referee.

Hawkeye/GLT is foolproof.

Or so they said.

I hope Bournemouth chase it up

Who said this????

 

[spikeachu]

What I'm trying to say is that the Hawkeye goal aside, there could have been other incorrect VAR decisions that went in Bournemouth's favour that might have made the Hawkeye goal irrelevant in the bigger picture.

I think the issue is that VAR is subjective and Hawkeye is not, or shouldn't be. Subjective can be difficult to prove one way or another, whether the ball crossed the line or not isn't with the promised sales pitch of the technology.

Tactics and theoretics aside, the object of football is that you try and score more goals than the opposition. You have to assume that at any point in the game both teams are trying to outscore the opposition. Villa were trying to score more goals than the opposition and failed. That will be the starting point of any litigation.

Glad to not be part of it this time around, but I'd be very surprised if Bournemouth just let it go given what's at stake.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

Bournemouth scored two fewer than Villa so are buggered either way...so to speak

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Who said this????

Who said Hawkeye was foolproof?

Hawkeye did.

That's why they got the contract.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Bournemouth scored two fewer than Villa so are buggered either way...so to speak

Goal difference before goals for.

 

[Chicken with no head]

Nowt to do wi us

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I heard the guy from "football law" on the radio recently. He said there was no basis for a case as the technology used met "industry standards".
He also said the pigs case was dependent on whether the pigs had documentary evidence that they could backdate the ground sale to the previous year's accounts. If they do, no case to answer; if not they're screwed and the punishment can happen this year.

Surely to fucking God you cannot backdate anything?

Why can you? How can you?

You cannot sell something to someone who doesn't exist.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Nowt to do wi us

We know. But it's besides the point. Bournemouth have a point. Not us.

 

[Chicken with no head]

We know. But it's besides the point. Bournemouth have a point. Not us.

Let Bournemouth pursue it then

 

[spikeachu]

We know. But it's besides the point. Bournemouth have a point. Not us.

No, Villa have a point.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

No, Villa have a point.

Now you're being condescending. Watch your mouth.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Let Bournemouth pursue it then

Have I said different?

 

[Chicken with no head]

Have I said different?

No you’ve not, but your pushing Bournemouth’s position through and it’s nothing to do with us.let the premier league deal with it.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

No you’ve not, but your pushing Bournemouth’s position through and it’s nothing to do with us.let the premier league deal with it.

Yeah I'm pushing it through. I've been on the blower since full time....

They have a case. I'd say they have.

I'm not going to lose sleep,though.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

All we really want to know is the truth,if it was human error just admit it and leave it at that.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Surely to fucking God you cannot backdate anything?

Why can you? How can you?

You cannot sell something to someone who doesn't exist.

He used a legal term that I can't remember. A technical term which amounts to "if an organisation or representative of said organisation" erroneously advises you that doing something wrong is ok, you cannot face repercussions if the advice you follow makes you break the rules.

 

[peter w]

Down by 1 point...do they, can they or will they sue after the screw up with VAR. Thoughts?

You do realize that even without that point we (Villa) would still have stayed up on goal difference?

edit- goal difference the same so goals scored.

 

[peter w]

All we really want to know is the truth,if it was human error just admit it and leave it at that.

Or ...accept that they may already be telling the truth? Or is it just your version that you want?

 

[Deadbat]

I think the issue is that VAR is subjective and Hawkeye is not, or shouldn't be. Subjective can be difficult to prove one way or another, whether the ball crossed the line or not isn't with the promised sales pitch of the technology.

Tactics and theoretics aside, the object of football is that you try and score more goals than the opposition. You have to assume that at any point in the game both teams are trying to outscore the opposition. Villa were trying to score more goals than the opposition and failed. That will be the starting point of any litigation.

Glad to not be part of it this time around, but I'd be very surprised if Bournemouth just let it go given what's at stake.

Litigation would be laughed out of court. There was 45 minutes of the game left.

It's not going to happen.

All these fans on twitter trying to stir it up for Bournemouth are embarrasing. Let it go. It was a dreadful decision.

Not seen any suggestion that Bournemouth will or should they take it to court. Theyve gone down as they were not good enough. It's not Villa's fault it did not work either.

Please can we stop going on about this.

When we play Villa next year it will get mentioned again and again. It's boring now.