Hawkeye Decision at Villa Park

[Blade1959]

You do realize that even without that point we (Villa) would still have stayed up on goal difference?

edit- goal difference the same so goals scored.

Wrong... Bournemouth’s is better

 

[bromtom]

You do realize that even without that point we (Villa) would still have stayed up on goal difference?

edit- goal difference the same so goals scored.

Bournemouth goal difference -25
Aston Villa goal difference -26 (-27 and one point worse off with ghost goal)

 

[spikeachu]

Litigation would be laughed out of court. There was 45 minutes of the game left.

It's not going to happen.

All these fans on twitter trying to stir it up for Bournemouth are embarrasing. Let it go. It was a dreadful decision.

Not seen any suggestion that Bournemouth will or should they take it to court. Theyve gone down as they were not good enough. It's not Villa's fault it did not work either.

Please can we stop going on about this.

When we play Villa next year it will get mentioned again and again. It's boring now.

It wouldn't be laughed out of court, it would be heard on merit.

A system sold as infallible has failed and Bournemouth will feel that that failure has cost them financially. It will be up to them to try and prove how much.

The possible outcomes of the villa match will be the defense argument and would be used to determine how much of a settlement, if any, should be awarded.

I stand by my opinion that the object of the game is to outscore the opposition and on the night Villa simply couldn't do it. But I'm not a judge and my opinion counts for little.

The relegation will stand whatever the outcome.

I suspect that at some point 6 short videos at different angles will be released where the ball is obscured for the couple of seconds it was behind the line or that some arrangement will be arrived at between Hawkeye and Bournemouth which means that the footage (or lack of) never sees the light of day.

Beyond that I couldn't care less and won't be banging on about it next time we meet Villa.

 

[Deadbat]

It wouldn't be laughed out of court, it would be heard on merit.

A system sold as infallible has failed and Bournemouth will feel that that failure has cost them financially. It will be up to them to try and prove how much.

The possible outcomes of the villa match will be the defense argument and would be used to determine how much of a settlement, if any, should be awarded.

I stand by my opinion that the object of the game is to outscore the opposition and on the night Villa simply couldn't do it. But I'm not a judge and my opinion counts for little.

The relegation will stand whatever the outcome.

I suspect that at some point 6 short videos at different angles will be released where the ball is obscured for the couple of seconds it was behind the line or that some arrangement will be arrived at between Hawkeye and Bournemouth which means that the footage (or lack of) never sees the light of day.

Beyond that I couldn't care less and won't be banging on about it next time we meet Villa.

Be how can any court in the land determine what would have happened the final 45 minutes off the game? They can't.

People saying it was defiinitely over the line so it was different to anything else as it is a fact not an opinion - well it is a fact that players have handled the ball or offsides have got wrong or a ball is out on a touchline and then has been given as a goal (Same as VAR in a sense)

If this went to court - anytime a bad decision - whether it be VAR/referee/anything - then teams starts a court case? Be ridiculous

It's done. Bournemouth won't do anything. Why there are so many tweets/posts about it now when it has not affected us in terms of league position and frankly is not our concern is a bit weird. Even Bournemouth fans are not arsed saying they have not been good enough.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Or ...accept that they may already be telling the truth? Or is it just your version that you want?

United have requested the stills from hawkeye (every game is recorded from multiple angles) and so far haven't received any. As far as I can grasp, as long as the technology has been used Villa are ok as the technology - even if it has malfunctioned - is the "industry standard". If they've used the recommended it's a none issue. If the technology wasn't used (i.e. turned on) it opens up a whole new can of worms. The likelihood would be damages from hawkeye and or the various football authorities rather than demoting Villa imo. The referee and VAR could and should have intervened post hawkeye failure, but those mistakes can be explained away like all VAR/referee decisions.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

United have requested the stills from hawkeye (every game is recorded from multiple angles) and so far haven't received any. As far as I can grasp, as long as the technology has been used Villa are ok as the technology - even if it has malfunctioned - is the "industry standard". If they've used the recommended it's a none issue. If the technology wasn't used (i.e. turned on) it opens up a whole new can of worms. The likelihood would be damages from hawkeye and or the various football authorities rather than demoting Villa imo. The referee and VAR could and should have intervened post hawkeye failure, but those mistakes can be explained away like all VAR/referee decisions.

If it wasn’t turned on, then it’s non-issue. Will go down as human error.

 

[Punk Blade]

He said there was no basis for a case as the technology used met "industry standards".

Was it used? Have they provided, or could they provide proof that it was used?

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

Goal difference before goals for.

If the ghost goak had stood they would have had identical points and GD. But Villa scored two more

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

If it wasn’t turned on, then it’s non-issue. Will go down as human error.

It's not error. Its negligence.

 

[Johnnyblade]

If the ghost goak had stood they would have had identical points and GD. But Villa scored two more

You are wrong
Bournemouth would’ve stayed up with -25 GD
Villa would have -27 GD

 

[BanderSerge]

Litigation would be laughed out of court. There was 45 minutes of the game left.

It's not going to happen.

All these fans on twitter trying to stir it up for Bournemouth are embarrasing. Let it go. It was a dreadful decision.

Not seen any suggestion that Bournemouth will or should they take it to court. Theyve gone down as they were not good enough. It's not Villa's fault it did not work either.

Please can we stop going on about this.

When we play Villa next year it will get mentioned again and again. It's boring now.

Really? We scored a goal. They didn’t. Fact v subjective

 

[Blade59]

It is all ifs and but. If the goal had been given who knows how the game would have ended. The annoying thing it was 100% avoidable with VAR. Still not sure if it happened again it has been made clear that VAR would step in.

 

[Muttley]

As predicted it has been all "swept under the carpet" by the powers that be. Now by not properly explaining themselves it has even more predictably come back to bite Hawkeye on the arse.

 

[Deadbat]

Really? We scored a goal. They didn’t. Fact v subjective

They scored a goal at Palace too.

Right at the end.

You could argue that was more clear cut in terms of points denial than ours where we had 45 mins to go still.

Nothing is going to happen. It's done.

What's annoying is the same people will bring it up next year when we play Villa. Imagine if they stay up at our expense next year...this will all come back again.

Please can we move on.

I hate this victim mentality nonsense. The Man Utd pens v us (they get in the box loads- we dont), the VAR table (seen Kevin Gage tweeting about it again). United fans need to be better that that. You finish where you deserve to finish. Yes some decisions go for you and some against....but I just don't get why our fans are going on about this still desperate to get Bournemouth to act. They won't.

 

[Addison]

There is little prospect of a successful action IMO. There is however a fundamental point that needs addressing before the new season starts and that is what rules/advice have been put in place should this supposed error occur again. There seems to be a tacit acceptance by the powers that be that this was a one off and will never happen again yet they fail to explain why.

The very fact there has been complete silence on this suggests there is a fear that any comment would open the door to litigation. No information has been provided as to what the technical issue was.

Why the secrecy? Could it be it was human error as opposed to a malfunction of the system itself? Was it turned on? Did the officials check at the beginning of the game? Were the watches used by the officials faulty?

Whilst there is a reluctance to address this openly the conspiracy theories will remain. We still do not know whether Stockley Park will be delegated the authority to deal with this in future and alert the match officials or whether in fact they had that authority all along.

All 20 EPL clubs should insist that proper guidance is provided before 12 September. Unfortunately the Clubs are not all on the same page and you are left wondering how much louder the noise for answers would have been if the United affected had Manchester in front of its name.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Be how can any court in the land determine what would have happened the final 45 minutes off the game? They can't.

they could watch the last fourty five minutes of the game
It finished nil nil in case youd forgotten
Once they determine that a monumental cock up was made by the technology not being switched on that would be changed to one nil

 

[Selly]

There is little prospect of a successful action IMO. There is however a fundamental point that needs addressing before the new season starts and that is what rules/advice have been put in place should this supposed error occur again. There seems to be a tacit acceptance by the powers that be that this was a one off and will never happen again yet they fail to explain why.

The very fact there has been complete silence on this suggests there is a fear that any comment would open the door to litigation. No information has been provided as to what the technical issue was.

Why the secrecy? Could it be it was human error as opposed to a malfunction of the system itself? Was it turned on? Did the officials check at the beginning of the game? Were the watches used by the officials faulty?

Whilst there is a reluctance to address this openly the conspiracy theories will remain. We still do not know whether Stockley Park will be delegated the authority to deal with this in future and alert the match officials or whether in fact they had that authority all along.

All 20 EPL clubs should insist that proper guidance is provided before 12 September. Unfortunately the Clubs are not all on the same page and you are left wondering how much louder the noise for answers would have been if the United affected had Manchester in front of its name.

This.

There isn`t a hope in hell that any action succeeds, but the lack of clarity on what actually happened simply leads to the continued questions. They say the cameras were occluded, but offer no proof of this. Until they do, the questions will persist, and people will point and claim that it wasn`t turned on.

As fans, as customers of the PL "product", we have every right to demand answers to these question - and until Hawkeye produce the images from the cameras, people won`t be satisfied.

 

[oldblade]

You do realize that even without that point we (Villa) would still have stayed up on goal difference?

edit- goal difference the same so goals scored.

Whilst completely disagree with those who seem to want some sort of litigation with regard to the goal that wasn't given, you are wrong. Without that point you would have been relegated.

Your goal difference is inferior to Bournemouth's even without taking into account that 'goal'.

Edit - Sorry Bromtom, I see you have already made this point.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Of course somebody would. Currently at 6 signatories. Will it reach the dizzy heights of 48 that the other one managed?

Sign the Petition

Take away Aston Villa’s point vs Sheffield United

www.change.org

 

[oldblade]

Hope Bournemouth sue the bastards for every penny cost us millions as well we should be 8th.

Even with two extra points we would not be 8th.

 

[oldblade]

I’ve worked it out that Bournemouth would still have gone down on goals scored or is my maths shite?

Don't know about your maths, but your arithmetic needs checking.

 

[oldblade]

NO? One place higher (8th) means 2 or 3 million more in prize money!

True, but the only problem is that we would not have finished one place higher.

 

[Oldun]

Who said Hawkeye was foolproof?

Hawkeye did.

That's why they got the contract.

Do you have a link to this?

 

[oldblade]

Wrong... Bournemouth’s is better

It really is quite incredible how many posters on this thread cannot add up!

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Fortunately because we lost our last three games this doesn't affect us at all.
So if Bournemouth are happy what have we got to complain about.?

 

[Peakblades]

"Much like in Tennis and Cricket coverage, Hawk-Eye will be able to create video replays of the ball crossing the line within 10 seconds of the event occurring. In fact, the advanced system can digitally remove players who obstruct the view of the ball, to give a clear-cut image from start to finish. " .... that aged well...
“The seven cameras located in the stands around the goal area were significantly occluded by the goalkeeper, defender and goalpost."
The excuse just doesn't stack up, that's what I have a problem with. If only our lockdown restart had started with a win, and no controversy.

 

[BanderSerge]

They scored a goal at Palace too.

Right at the end.

You could argue that was more clear cut in terms of points denial than ours where we had 45 mins to go still.

Nothing is going to happen. It's done.

What's annoying is the same people will bring it up next year when we play Villa. Imagine if they stay up at our expense next year...this will all come back again.

Please can we move on.

I hate this victim mentality nonsense. The Man Utd pens v us (they get in the box loads- we dont), the VAR table (seen Kevin Gage tweeting about it again). United fans need to be better that that. You finish where you deserve to finish. Yes some decisions go for you and some against....but I just don't get why our fans are going on about this still desperate to get Bournemouth to act. They won't.

What a pile of absolute bollocks! Victim mentality? Better than muggings mentality. Hawkeye have lied better than any politician I have seen, but it’s ok .

 

[BanderSerge]

"Much like in Tennis and Cricket coverage, Hawk-Eye will be able to create video replays of the ball crossing the line within 10 seconds of the event occurring. In fact, the advanced system can digitally remove players who obstruct the view of the ball, to give a clear-cut image from start to finish. " .... that aged well...
“The seven cameras located in the stands around the goal area were significantly occluded by the goalkeeper, defender and goalpost."
The excuse just doesn't stack up, that's what I have a problem with. If only our lockdown restart had started with a win, and no controversy.

We knew within 12 seconds of the incident because our analytics dept informed CWAK

 

[Varkanoid]

Anyone else think of the bias against us for the Southampton match when McCarthy didnt handle the ball outside the box ? His first touch looked like it was just inside but his second fingertip touch looked like it was outside from the limited angles we got. It went to VAR. VAR rules no handball, we never saw what VAR saw ?

 

[Guesty]

They scored a goal at Palace too.

Right at the end.

You could argue that was more clear cut in terms of points denial than ours where we had 45 mins to go still.

Nothing is going to happen. It's done.

What's annoying is the same people will bring it up next year when we play Villa. Imagine if they stay up at our expense next year...this will all come back again.

Please can we move on.

I hate this victim mentality nonsense. The Man Utd pens v us (they get in the box loads- we dont), the VAR table (seen Kevin Gage tweeting about it again). United fans need to be better that that. You finish where you deserve to finish. Yes some decisions go for you and some against....but I just don't get why our fans are going on about this still desperate to get Bournemouth to act. They won't.

I don't give a flying one about Bournemouth (though I deeply, deeply hate Aston Villa and their utterly loathsome manager), and any legal action to prevent relegation would be nonsense. I was the first to fly the flag that awarding us the game would be stupid (some were saying that 'no-one would complain' if we were awarded the win, which was tosh of the highest order.

That said, I disagree on two points. One, referring errors, and the points that result from them, absolutely do not even up over the course of the season. What happened to us with Hawkeye is literally unprecedented. We will not get such an unprecedented event in our favour ever, never mind the same season.

Secondly, Hawkeye fucked up and then lied about it. They should be held to account, however little it affects us, Villa or Bournemouth. They've either lied about how effective their system is or about it being turned on. They've been awarded a contract worth God knows how many millions and have failed to deliver.