Has Wilder lost the dressing room?

[PrestwichBlade]

I don't think he's lost the dressing room and I'm not sure he's lost the fans unless you're basing it on 30 or so bedwetters on this site. It's simply a meltdown based on 3 poor performances at a critical point in the season. Yes it's extremely disappointing but if people take a step back and look at where we're at after last season it can't be doubted he's done a good job. Some of the football has been turgid for sure but who of us wouldn't have taken our current league position after last seasons capitulation? He's rebuilt a decent squad, lost Arblaster and Souttar to serious injuries, add Souza to that to some extent as well. At the end of last season people on this forum were predicting we'd drop like a stone through the leagues or at best be lower half of the championship table. It hasn't happened and that's down to the manager. They need to improve and quickly but the seasons not over yet regardless of what some want to believe.

I agree in parts, but as you say, performances over much of the season have been pretty poor and not good to watch. I don't think it unreasonable that with some of the personnel we have, we could have a slightly more exciting style of play. That said, results have largely kicked this can down the road and we've now come unstuck. I think for many, it's now the realisation that Wilder is not the solution. I've long being of the opinion he's not the man regardless of which division we find ourselves in next season.

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

Well something has drastically gone wrong since the Coventry game.

Putting Wilders baffling team selection choices to one side it does have the whiff of they’re not really putting it in for him.

The only obvious common denominator for the sudden decline in form that I can see is not starting O’hare. I’m sure that cannot be the only reason but must have a contributing factor. He does so much ‘knitting’ throughout our play. As well as the harassment he causes to the opposition in to making mistakes and losing the ball. He reminds me of those annoying wasps that drive you crazy whilst having a beer, or food outside at the end of the summer that just won’t leave you alone. Hamer, one of the most important players in the team thrives from the link ups with him - they know each others game inside out so WTF drop him?

I for one did not expect an easy game yesterday. I was immediately concerned with our lack of tempo which made me think do they really understand the importance of getting a positive result today? as from the off it really didn’t look like they did.

We had two attempts on goal from what I remember. One was JRS’s goal and the other was Tyrese’s wayward shot when he came on. Two fuckin attempts on goal for the entire game against the bottom of the league?

So yeah there clearly is a problem somewhere.
We would need a miracle to rectify whatever it is before the play offs.

As it stands at the minute it breaks my heart to say I don’t see us winning another game this season.

100%, you can’t go from winning at your biggest rivals, doing the double to then beating at that time the in form team to this been served up the last 3 games. He went too early Wilder after the rant post Wednesday match, lost his head a bit an didn’t listen to the media team after Oxford, now he has created a rod for his own back, kept faith in bin man Robinson that wanted going seasons ago, Cannon’s up in air for me but not convincing. Shambles tbh to throw towel in like this after a good season results wise prior to Oxford away. I’d say for sure it’s a dressing room thing for no reason as well we was on course.

 

[Cheesebored]

I agree in parts, but as you say, performances over much of the season have been pretty poor and not good to watch. I don't think it unreasonable that with some of the personnel we have, we could have a slightly more exciting style of play. That said, results have largely kicked this can down the road and we've now come unstuck. I think for many, it's now the realisation that Wilder is not the solution. I've long being of the opinion he's not the man regardless of which division we find ourselves in next season.

That's fine, I wouldn't be against it if the right manager could be found. Wilders always appeared to be a better man manager than coach and sometimes he behaves like a fan rather than a manager. His big money signings have on the whole been flops but he can resurrect careers also. I get that change may be necessary but right nows not the time. The narrative that he's a bad manager is nonsense based on this season as a whole and not the last 3 matches.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

The only obvious common denominator for the sudden decline in form that I can see is not starting O’hare. I’m sure that cannot be the only reason but must have a contributing factor. He does so much ‘knitting’ throughout our play. As well as the harassment he causes to the opposition in to making mistakes and losing the ball. He reminds me of those annoying wasps that drive you crazy whilst having a beer, or food outside at the end of the summer that just won’t leave you alone. Hamer, one of the most important players in the team thrives from the link ups with him - they know each others game inside out so WTF drop him?

O'Hare started against Bristol City and didn't play particularly well. Brewster came on and set up a goal. Brewster kept the shirt and scored the winner in the next game. He kept his place a scored again. There was no sudden decline without COH. We won two big games and his replacement scored in both. I don't think him not playing had much of an impact recently. Especially as he played yesterday, against the worst team in the league, and was shite.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

This is just fantasy really. Didn't wilder say the in pitch thing was to pick them up. Not a bollocking?
Also, after Wilders stupid rant at the Plymouth players celebrating, the fact there was a scuffle, players going to his defence would say the opposite.

 

[Blade56]

It wasn't a dressing down FFS.

What did he say then?

 

[ZLB]

Feels like he’s lost the fans, owners must be flexing their sphincters but are there any signs / feelings he’s lost the dressing room. He says the group is tight, heads are sound etc but after his Phil Brown on the pitch dressing down does he have the dressing room?

Cliche alert.

 

[1889]

Personally, I’ve resigned myself to another season in the Championship. I cannot see anyway that we will win the play offs, with the current form, style of play and leadership.

However, I’m not hugely disappointed because, I would not want the new owners to think that what they have seen this season is a blueprint for future success, that the only way to the Premier League for Sheffield United is under the guidance of ‘one of our own’. Hopefully this capitulation has opened their eyes to the fact that we need is a more professional approach, to player conditioning, style of play, discipline and player recruitment, in short a root and branch clear out of the old guard.

 

[bertieblade]

Not seen Jack Lester involved v much recently?
Should we keep him on, he is always seemingly well thought of by the players

 

[Bladesman]

Feels like he’s lost the fans, owners must be flexing their sphincters but are there any signs / feelings he’s lost the dressing room. He says the group is tight, heads are sound etc but after his Phil Brown on the pitch dressing down does he have the dressing room?

I think he lost the fans and the players last week.

He didn't box the Oxford match as a one off freak result given our form up to that point. No he took aim at the fans which made unwanted headlines in the national press nevermind local press and god knows what he said in the dressing room since Coventry but I don't think certain players believe in him anymore.

Campbell and Hamer have totally gone off the boil. Maybe him repeatedly trying to shoehorn in Cannon every chance he gets has upset the dressing room.

 

[Davalon]

The current split in opinions was always a possibility and one that quite a few pointed to when he came back.

As soon as things hit a sticky patch he wasn't going to have the same unanimous support as previously. He now polarises opinion with our fans.

Some won't have a bad word said about him because of what he did previously or just he's a Blade, he's their mate or they're a mate of his mates.

Others haven't forgiven him for how he left last time and aren't keen on how he carries himself at times.

Irrespective of what's right and wrong, fair or unfair, there was always the possibility of a split and fans falling out this time if things didn't go faultlessly.

 

[wardonia_blade]

I don't think he's lost the dressing room and I'm not sure he's lost the fans unless you're basing it on 30 or so bedwetters on this site. It's simply a meltdown based on 3 poor performances at a critical point in the season. Yes it's extremely disappointing but if people take a step back and look at where we're at after last season it can't be doubted he's done a good job. Some of the football has been turgid for sure but who of us wouldn't have taken our current league position after last seasons capitulation? He's rebuilt a decent squad, lost Arblaster and Souttar to serious injuries, add Souza to that to some extent as well. At the end of last season people on this forum were predicting we'd drop like a stone through the leagues or at best be lower half of the championship table. It hasn't happened and that's down to the manager. They need to improve and quickly but the seasons not over yet regardless of what some want to believe.

Agree. Most of my pre season objectives have been achieved already. These relate to progression of young players, ownership, club finances, play offs and not losing both derbies.

 

[1889]

Not seen Jack Lester involved v much recently?
Should we keep him on, he is always seemingly well thought of by the players

Isn’t Jack the goal scoring coach?……………..I don’t think he had much involvement at all this season tbh

 

[UTB Blade]

Does anyone have any respect for Wilder? Massive ego. Massive budget. Great squad. Lose 3 in the bounce when it matters.

Would love to see anyone try to defend him if you don't win the playoffs.

Question asked.^


Question answered:




Now, this being the nice, friendly forum that it is, I'm not allowed to tell you to stop being a disrespectful prick and piss off back to Coventry, so, instead of calling you a disrespectful prick and telling you to piss off back to Coventry, I'm just going to suggest that you toddle off back to Coventry, and return when a Coventry City manager has won the LMA League Manager of the Year Award (not the divisional awards, you understand, that many, many managers have won, but the overall award, that only managers such as Alex Ferguson, Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, and Chris Wilder have won).
I'll be over here, not holding my breath.

 

[Flumps]

There are 20 teams in this league who would swap places with us in a heartbeat

Keep up this run of form and some of those teams will be doing just that.

 

[William Large]

Does anyone have any respect for Wilder? Massive ego. Massive budget. Great squad. Lose 3 in the bounce when it matters.

Would love to see anyone try to defend him if you don't win the playoffs.

A) yes I have loads of respect for Wilder. He has done things for this club that you can only masturbate over.
B) WTF has it got to do with you?

 

[William Large]

I don't think he's lost the dressing room and I'm not sure he's lost the fans unless you're basing it on 30 or so bedwetters on this site. It's simply a meltdown based on 3 poor performances at a critical point in the season. Yes it's extremely disappointing but if people take a step back and look at where we're at after last season it can't be doubted he's done a good job. Some of the football has been turgid for sure but who of us wouldn't have taken our current league position after last seasons capitulation? He's rebuilt a decent squad, lost Arblaster and Souttar to serious injuries, add Souza to that to some extent as well. At the end of last season people on this forum were predicting we'd drop like a stone through the leagues or at best be lower half of the championship table. It hasn't happened and that's down to the manager. They need to improve and quickly but the seasons not over yet regardless of what some want to believe.

I wouldn’t even class them as bed wetters to be honest. There are people on here who have had an agenda with Wilder since he left and no matter what the result or performance, bang on with the same rhetoric week in week out.

It’s not indicative of the majority of Blades I speak to but they do say that the empty vessels make the most noise. I liken them to conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who try to ram their opinions down other peoples throats regardless of any factual accuracies.

The bloke has made mistakes - most managers do. We have been far from convincing most of the season but I genuinely don’t think that there were many better, available, realistic and affordable options out there.

 

[Melbourne Blade]

 

[AWetFlannel]

Saw a post from an anonymous person on YorkBlade's Sheff United Way saying not only were we fighting with Plymouth players but our own players were fighting each other (specifically Peck and Cannon)

An anonymous post on a YouTube channel? Must be true.

 

[Tom Bott]

Did anyone else see this?
From my observation post match (at the match) that is pure fiction

The anonymous person was probably Fallowfield or a Wendy fan, though they could be the same thing.

 

[redandwhitewizard]

Peck was annoyed at someone as they were coming out of the dugout and on to the pitch at the end of the game but I didn't see who it was or what caused it. A few people blocked him off and didn't seem to go any further.
If anything happened in the tunnel with him then I have no idea.

 

[ZLB]

Feels like he’s lost the fans, owners must be flexing their sphincters but are there any signs / feelings he’s lost the dressing room. He says the group is tight, heads are sound etc but after his Phil Brown on the pitch dressing down does he have the dressing room?

No. Not at all.

Let’s focus on winning the next four. Or if that doesn’t work let’s do it at Wembley. Or we could wallow in self pity and post anti Wilder and anti Sheffield United posts for ever end ever and ever.

 

[Blade56]

No. Not at all.

Let’s focus on winning the next four. Or if that doesn’t work let’s do it at Wembley. Or we could wallow in self pity and post anti Wilder and anti Sheffield United posts for ever end ever and ever.

Anti Wilder yes for the good of SUFC but not anti Sheffield United, give me 1 instance where I’ve shown ant anti SUFC. It’s called opinion, he’s a car crash waiting to happen since coming back, its best for him and SUFC we part ways.

Always UTB

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Looking at the league table this morning fills me with dread doesn't 3rd play 6th in the play off's?

I wouldn't worry about that mate.
At this rate we'll be playing the 5th place finishers!

 

[The Bear]

Saw a post from an anonymous person on YorkBlade's Sheff United Way saying not only were we fighting with Plymouth players but our own players were fighting each other (specifically Peck and Cannon)

So my answer is yes, the dressing room has been lost and there's a divide between the players

Well I am glad something fires him up !! 'cos it aint playing footie for the Blades.

 

[Nick Jansky]

No. Not at all.

Let’s focus on winning the next four. Or if that doesn’t work let’s do it at Wembley. Or we could wallow in self pity and post anti Wilder and anti Sheffield United posts for ever end ever and ever.

Care to show us an anti Sheffield United post anyone has made? We’ll wait…

 

[ormester]

Feels like he’s lost the fans, owners must be flexing their sphincters but are there any signs / feelings he’s lost the dressing room. He says the group is tight, heads are sound etc but after his Phil Brown on the pitch dressing down does he have the dressing room?

The outburst to me the other week actually has gone against him the narrative is now we are doing amazing with what I was given pressure is telling we need to regroup

 

[Stretch]

I don't think he's lost the dressing room and I'm not sure he's lost the fans unless you're basing it on 30 or so bedwetters on this site. It's simply a meltdown based on 3 poor performances at a critical point in the season. Yes it's extremely disappointing but if people take a step back and look at where we're at after last season it can't be doubted he's done a good job. Some of the football has been turgid for sure but who of us wouldn't have taken our current league position after last seasons capitulation? He's rebuilt a decent squad, lost Arblaster and Souttar to serious injuries, add Souza to that to some extent as well. At the end of last season people on this forum were predicting we'd drop like a stone through the leagues or at best be lower half of the championship table. It hasn't happened and that's down to the manager. They need to improve and quickly but the seasons not over yet regardless of what some want to believe.

A sensible post. Someone get it framed.

 

[The Bear]

Well something has drastically gone wrong since the Coventry game.

Putting Wilders baffling team selection choices to one side it does have the whiff of they’re not really putting it in for him.

The only obvious common denominator for the sudden decline in form that I can see is not starting O’hare. I’m sure that cannot be the only reason but must have a contributing factor. He does so much ‘knitting’ throughout our play. As well as the harassment he causes to the opposition in to making mistakes and losing the ball. He reminds me of those annoying wasps that drive you crazy whilst having a beer, or food outside at the end of the summer that just won’t leave you alone. Hamer, one of the most important players in the team thrives from the link ups with him - they know each others game inside out so WTF drop him?

I for one did not expect an easy game yesterday. I was immediately concerned with our lack of tempo which made me think do they really understand the importance of getting a positive result today? as from the off it really didn’t look like they did.

We had two attempts on goal from what I remember. One was JRS’s goal and the other was Tyrese’s wayward shot when he came on. Two fuckin attempts on goal for the entire game against the bottom of the league?

So yeah there clearly is a problem somewhere.
We would need a miracle to rectify whatever it is before the play offs.

As it stands at the minute it breaks my heart to say I don’t see us winning another game this season

I thought we started yesterday quite well. Zipping the ball around, breaking etc. It was the second half that did it. Looks like CW had put concrete in their boots and Plymouth slowly grew into the game with two imho lucky goals

 

[Pintor75]

Not seen Jack Lester involved v much recently?
Should we keep him on, he is always seemingly well thought of by the players

Done nothing for years, bar U21s, none of our forwards could hit a barn door, Mcburnie, Brewster, Jebbison, Cannon, Asula etc, what is he teaching/ doing in training?. Needs to be on his way with Wilder,Knill and the rest