CONFIRMED Harry Maguire - Signed for Hull City

[Flatulent_Bob]

McCormack doesn't play for Sheffield United. If he did we wouldn't have got a quarter of the £11 million fee.
The board would have w@nked itself stupid as soon as the fee got to £2 million, then they'd have chucked in a promising youngster for free for good measure to make sure the deal went through. Other clubs know this and that's why these sorts of figures are never bandied around when it comes to buying our players.

They know that £2 million is the maximum they will have to pay for our very very very best players
They know that £1 million will secure the services of a good or promising player
They know that f@ck all will secure the services of anybody else

It's the market that Sheffield United play in.........................1980's throwbacks.

No, not at all really.
Leeds didn't get £11 million for starters, and we got over £2 million for a lot of our young talent, but don't let that stop your anti club rant.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think we do need Coady. We can ditch McGinn and Doyle.

...and they say there's no loyalty in football apart from the fans.

 

[sheffielder]

...and they say there's no loyalty in football apart from the fans.

Who should I be loyal to, Doyle?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Plays for our club doesn't he?

You just seem quick to want to bomb players out, which doesn't seem very loyal to me.
Not that I have a huge problem with it as long as fans have no problem with players deciding they need to move on for the benefit of their career.

 

[sheffielder]

Plays for our club doesn't he?

You just seem quick to want to bomb players out, which doesn't seem very loyal to me.
Not that I have a huge problem with it as long as fans have no problem with players deciding they need to move on for the benefit of their career.

I don't know why I am bothering, so I won't

 

[wizadry]

McCormack doesn't play for Sheffield United. If he did we wouldn't have got a quarter of the £11 million fee.
The board would have w@nked itself stupid as soon as the fee got to £2 million, then they'd have chucked in a promising youngster for free for good measure to make sure the deal went through. Other clubs know this and that's why these sorts of figures are never bandied around when it comes to buying our players.

They know that £2 million is the maximum they will have to pay for our very very very best players
They know that £1 million will secure the services of a good or promising player
They know that f@ck all will secure the services of anybody else

It's the market that Sheffield United play in.........................1980's throwbacks.

We would never know if a bid came in for 2 million because all our bids accepted are undisclosed

 

[wizadry]

No, not at all really.
Leeds didn't get £11 million for starters, and we got over £2 million for a lot of our young talent, but don't let that stop your anti club rant.

How long have you been the leeds chairman?

 

[JJBlade]

And yet Jagielka, Walker, Naughton & Lowton were all sold for more than £2m each

We didn't get £2 million for Lowton, but whether it was or not he's a Premier League player, so whatever we got we basically gave him away.

Considering Walker would have been in Englands World Cup squad if it weren't for injury we gave him away as well.

Naughton & Walker were part of the same deal. Naughton is more than capable of playing Premier League football.
That's another two Premier League players, one of International quality and we get about as much for the pair of them as a Championship club gets for an average nobody.

Jagielka is another England defender who we gave away albeit with a release clause. The release clause was set way below valuation.
We had one season in the Premier League. At the start of this season Jagielka was allowed to hold us to ransom whilst being totally unproven as a Premier League player.

We also refused to buy Cahill for a fee of £1.5 million from Villa preferring instead to spend biggish money on Carney the Aussie. After turning Cahill into a good player he moved to the mighty Bolton Wanderers and Aston Villa couldn't believe their luck. We primed him, they got the cash, we got Carney.

So all in all our transfer activities regarding defenders over the last 6-7 years has been pretty abysmal and embarrassing

 

[judge]

We didn't get £2 million for Lowton, but whether it was or not he's a Premier League player, so whatever we got we basically gave him away.

Considering Walker would have been in Englands World Cup squad if it weren't for injury we gave him away as well.

Naughton & Walker were part of the same deal. Naughton is more than capable of playing Premier League football.
That's another two Premier League players, one of International quality and we get about as much for the pair of them as a Championship club gets for an average nobody.

Jagielka is another England defender who we gave away albeit with a release clause. The release clause was set way below valuation.
We had one season in the Premier League. At the start of this season Jagielka was allowed to hold us to ransom whilst being totally unproven as a Premier League player.

We also refused to buy Cahill for a fee of £1.5 million from Villa preferring instead to spend biggish money on Carney the Aussie. After turning Cahill into a good player he moved to the mighty Bolton Wanderers and Aston Villa couldn't believe their luck. We primed him, they got the cash, we got Carney.

So all in all our transfer activities regarding defenders over the last 6-7 years has been pretty abysmal and embarrassing

villa wanted 5m for cahill

 

[1973_Blade]

At the end of the day when a player of this age is sold clubs are buying potential. Nobody knows how they will play in a higher league to the ones they have previously played for or how their career will pan out. Look at this team picked in 2007 from the, then, current stock of best young players. How many have made it?If Harry goes I am sure it will be for the best price NC can get and it will be in the best interests of the club.

 

[Revolution]

Jagielka is another England defender who we gave away albeit with a release clause. The release clause was set way below valuation.

If you break down all of our transfer dealings with Everton that summer, it looks like a baseball trade.

We got: James Beattie and Gary Naysmith
Everton got: Phil Jagielka and a million quid.

Good deal for us?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If you break down all of our transfer dealings with Everton that summer, it looks like a baseball trade.

We got: James Beattie and Gary Naysmith
Everton got: Phil Jagielka and a million quid.

Good deal for us?

No.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

We didn't get £2 million for Lowton, but whether it was or not he's a Premier League player, so whatever we got we basically gave him away.

Considering Walker would have been in Englands World Cup squad if it weren't for injury we gave him away as well.

Naughton & Walker were part of the same deal. Naughton is more than capable of playing Premier League football.
That's another two Premier League players, one of International quality and we get about as much for the pair of them as a Championship club gets for an average nobody.

Jagielka is another England defender who we gave away albeit with a release clause. The release clause was set way below valuation.
We had one season in the Premier League. At the start of this season Jagielka was allowed to hold us to ransom whilst being totally unproven as a Premier League player.

We also refused to buy Cahill for a fee of £1.5 million from Villa preferring instead to spend biggish money on Carney the Aussie. After turning Cahill into a good player he moved to the mighty Bolton Wanderers and Aston Villa couldn't believe their luck. We primed him, they got the cash, we got Carney.

So all in all our transfer activities regarding defenders over the last 6-7 years has been pretty abysmal and embarrassing

You cannot retrospectively set transfer prices. All those players, with the exception of Jagielka, were sold as potential PL players. That they have gone on to become more or less established at that level cannot be factored into when they were sold. For every Naughton there is three Slews.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

If you break down all of our transfer dealings with Everton that summer, it looks like a baseball trade.

We got: James Beattie and Gary Naysmith
Everton got: Phil Jagielka and a million quid.

Good deal for us?

If we hadn't had Bryan Robson managing us then Beattie's goals would have probably seen us promoted, and the 4m we spent on him would have seemed a bargain. Instead that 4m became an albatross around our necks.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

How long have you been the leeds chairman?

You mean only the Leeds chairman knows what Fulham paid?
Then I agree, we simply must take his word for it for chairman would never lie to appease fans.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

We didn't get £2 million for Lowton, but whether it was or not he's a Premier League player, so whatever we got we basically gave him away.

Considering Walker would have been in Englands World Cup squad if it weren't for injury we gave him away as well.

Naughton & Walker were part of the same deal. Naughton is more than capable of playing Premier League football.
That's another two Premier League players, one of International quality and we get about as much for the pair of them as a Championship club gets for an average nobody.

Jagielka is another England defender who we gave away albeit with a release clause. The release clause was set way below valuation.
We had one season in the Premier League. At the start of this season Jagielka was allowed to hold us to ransom whilst being totally unproven as a Premier League player.

We also refused to buy Cahill for a fee of £1.5 million from Villa preferring instead to spend biggish money on Carney the Aussie. After turning Cahill into a good player he moved to the mighty Bolton Wanderers and Aston Villa couldn't believe their luck. We primed him, they got the cash, we got Carney.

So all in all our transfer activities regarding defenders over the last 6-7 years has been pretty abysmal and embarrassing

Nonsense again.
Walker had played a handful of games and we got £5-6 Million plus a sell on fee for an unproven kid. It's also total speculation that he would have made the world cup squad as he was out of form and not playing particularly well.
Naughton has struggled to nail down a permanent place at a Premiership club had one season experience with us and we got £3 Million.
Jagielka signed the contract when actually the valuation was about right, and wouldn't have signed the contract without it.
Can you please back up your Cahill rant with anything because as I understood it the offer to buy him was considerably more, and he didn't really want to sign for a Championship club.

I'd be interested if anyone has any comparative deals whereby a full back with one season under the belt at Championship level was sold for more than £3 Million, nevermind a fullback with 5 league appearances going for £5 Million. What did Charlton get for Jenkinson?

 

[Houso]

Regardless of whether we've let players go on the cheap in the past and if all our previous owners/boards have been incompetent, we have new guys involved now and it's perhaps a good idea to give them a chance rather than pissing our pants in panic.

And have the signs been anything other than positive? We've spent money on some very talented players, we've brought in an excellent manager, we've improved communication with the fans, we've chucked out shit kit manufacturers, and last but not least, we've turned down 1.5 million for a player in the last year of his contract. If you can't see the progress there, then there's no hope for you.

Even the puppy that gets kicked every day eventually trusts its new owner.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I'd be interested if anyone has any comparative deals whereby a full back with one season under the belt at Championship level was sold for more than £3 Million, nevermind a fullback with 5 league appearances going for £5 Million. What did Charlton get for Jenkinson?

Gareth bale.

 

[Revolution]

I'd be interested if anyone has any comparative deals whereby a full back with one season under the belt at Championship level was sold for more than £3 Million, nevermind a fullback with 5 league appearances going for £5 Million. What did Charlton get for Jenkinson?

Not a fullback but the Aaron Ramsey deal is not dissimilar.

 

[TonyAgana]

Gareth bale.

Southampton have commanded some big transfer fees for a number of years, it's difficult to defend our "policy" when you use them as a benchmark.

 

[wizadry]

Not a fullback but the Aaron Ramsey deal is not dissimilar.

Carl jenkinson is a full back,he plays right back when given the chance and he's just as good as basic sagna,who thankfully for arsenal fans has now left only for another frenchman to step in,fuck off wenger.

 

[wizadry]

You mean only the Leeds chairman knows what Fulham paid?
Then I agree, we simply must take his word for it for chairman would never lie to appease fans.

In one line your saying leeds DIDN'T pay 11 million for mccormack and you somehow know this,and in another line you KNOW we got over 2 million for a lot of our young talent,yet your willing to listen to our chairman to appease our fans but leeds aren't allowed to listen to their chairman to appease theirs.Have a think about how bladey bladeness you have just sounded.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

There's lies, damned lies and press releases from football clubs regarding transfers!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Gareth bale.

Are you comparing Bale with Naughton then as he'd played 40 appearances?
Yes we got less for Naughton than Southampton got for Bale.

Given where these two have gone on to play for, I think we can see why they were rated so differently.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

In one line your saying leeds DIDN'T pay 11 million for mccormack and you somehow know this,and in another line you KNOW we got over 2 million for a lot of our young talent,yet your willing to listen to our chairman to appease our fans but leeds aren't allowed to listen to their chairman to appease theirs.Have a think about how bladey bladeness you have just sounded.

Both United and Spurs broadly confirmed those prices, don't think Fulham have confirmed the £11 Million and most press also seem to doubt it when reading behind the headlines.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Are you comparing Bale with Naughton then as he'd played 40 appearances?
Yes we got less for Naughton than Southampton got for Bale.

Given where these two have gone on to play for, I think we can see why they were rated so differently.

I am, but at the time, they'd played a similar number of games.

Tottenham bought a skinny fullback with a shit haircut to play as a full back. He couldn't cut it defensively so Redknapp moved him forward. If he'd stayed as a fullback, then he'd probably be behind Walker at Tottenham now.

What i'm saying is Tottenham in both cases made risky purchases. Southampton got a better deal than us. Whether you think Naughton is worth £2m or £3m is immaterial, it's what Tottenham would be prepared to pay that's the deciding factor.

 

[Balham]

Nonsense again.
Walker had played a handful of games and we got £5-6 Million plus a sell on fee for an unproven kid. It's also total speculation that he would have made the world cup squad as he was out of form and not playing particularly well.
Naughton has struggled to nail down a permanent place at a Premiership club had one season experience with us and we got £3 Million.

Pretty sure it was the other way round FB: £5m for Naughton and £3m (+add ons) for Walker. At the time I thought we'd done well to get £5m for Naughton but thought that we'd sold Walker too quickly.

I'm pretty sure that we'd received an equivalent bid from Everton for just Naughton and with hindsight if that deal had gone through all three parties would have benefited: Naughton would have played regularly at Everton, United would have got another season out of Walker, whose value would have risen dramatically and Walker would have got a full season of football in.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Not a fullback but the Aaron Ramsey deal is not dissimilar.

Defenders are entirely different and tend to be priced as such. Forwards and midfielders always are picked up sooner and go for more.

Pretty sure it was the other way round FB: £5m for Naughton and £3m (+add ons) for Walker. At the time I thought we'd done well to get £5m for Naughton but thought that we'd sold Walker too quickly.

I'm pretty sure that we'd received an equivalent bid from Everton for just Naughton and with hindsight if that deal had gone through all three parties would have benefited: Naughton would have played regularly at Everton, United would have got another season out of Walker, whose value would have risen dramatically and Walker would have got a full season of football in.

Good point actually, I think your right. Apologies.

So we got half Walker than Southampton got for Bale although we do have a sell on fee.
I still think that can't be considered a poor deal, given the financial situation at the time, that Walker wanted to leave, and what Walkers shown before and since.
Walker isn't a Bale or a Shaw, he's a Glen Johnson (£6 Million) at best IMHO.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I am, but at the time, they'd played a similar number of games.

Tottenham bought a skinny fullback with a shit haircut to play as a full back. He couldn't cut it defensively so Redknapp moved him forward. If he'd stayed as a fullback, then he'd probably be behind Walker at Tottenham now.

What i'm saying is Tottenham in both cases made risky purchases. Southampton got a better deal than us. Whether you think Naughton is worth £2m or £3m is immaterial, it's what Tottenham would be prepared to pay that's the deciding factor.

Sorry I don't buy that about Bale, everyone wanted Bale and were aware of his ability, whereas Walker didn't have the big boys in for him to push up his price. Everyone apart from Harry Redknapp seemingly who was trying to bin him, I remember moaning on here that we should snap their hands off when he was made available for transfer when on loan at Forest.

 

[Silent Blade]

Nonsense again.
Walker had played a handful of games and we got £5-6 Million plus a sell on fee for an unproven kid. It's also total speculation that he would have made the world cup squad as he was out of form and not playing particularly well.

Nonsense??? Walker got the pelvic injury in February but aggravated it when he tried a comeback in March and Hodgson kept contacting Spurs for his medical updates. Had it not been for his injury, he would have been in the World Cup squad no doubt