General transfers/rumours

[Ricky]

So?

Read the title.

 

[adebo]

Apparently they still want Leonard, but they won't need him as much now. This can only help us.

This was also put out by EEL who is seeing all his mates leave for the championship (jed wallace left too!) So wolves are shifting their dead wood and EEL is washing up on our shore!

 

[Pollingtonblade]

This was also put out by EEL who is seeing all his mates leave for the championship (jed wallace left too!) So wolves are shifting their dead wood and EEL is washing up on our shore!

Gerremin gerremin

 

[BushBlade]

Lot of stuff happening now.

Michael Keane to Everton for £25m, pushing Jags further down the pecking order.

Bristol City have signed the big, hungry, black and probably pacy striker from Angers for £5.3m.

Conor McLaughlin to Millwall on a free transfer.

Jack Marriott to Peterborough for 400k. Luton striker who is apparently a Blades fan, skillful little player and young at 22. Could spending that sort of fee indicate they're about to receive money for Maddison?

Blackburn have signed Ben Gladwin. Why has it taken relegation for them to get their act together and start signing players and spending money? They've also signed Peter Whittingham, Bradley Dack, Richard Smallwood and look like signing Tony McMoron from Bradford.

Middlesbrough interested in Sam Johnstone. Why they seem to be ignoring Connor Ripley like they are is baffling. He's one of their own and has great potential. We could have a go at signing him, possibly.

I don't think Wilder is a big fan of Ripley. He cancelled a loan at Oxford.

 

[Chali 2na]

Read the title.

 

[JJBlade]

So someone else pays a few million for a striker nobody has heard of, with zero experience of the championship, and that highlights how far behind we are and what we are up against?

I'm sorry....I'm not getting it.

Bristol....that's right, Bristol City are spending an amount of money they cannot afford to lose. They are gambling that this particular player is going to make a massive difference to them by being a success with no actual assurance he will. So let's be right here....do we actually think Bristol city have such a good scouting network that they will have discovered a gem nobody knows of?
Nope....he a foreign player, with a fancy name so that means he costs a bomb. Just like all the shit strikers Hull acquired in recent years...or the one the pigs did...I could go on!

"You get no medals for spunking money" I believe.

Bristol City sold Kodija for £12 million

£12 MILLION
That's a staggering amount of money to bring in for a Championship player

It's like us getting errr a million

Now they've signed a player to replace him for £5 million

These figures belonging to a language that is beyond a Sheffield United fans capability to contemplate doesn't make it bad business

The £5 million fee doesn't automatically make it bad business

If it doesn't work out they'll move him on and get their money back

 

[The Crab]

And we are just some random guys on t'internet.

We also know that the moon landings were faked, Kennedy's assassin was on the grassy knoll and 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy. You can learn loads on the web and also still have time to get a gorgeous Russian girlfriend and buy some stuff to make your sex life out of this world.

Yeah that went well, turned out I was the pretty one

 

[JJBlade]

As is absolutely clear, Wilder won't pay more than he thinks a player is worth. You might want to direct your comment at him; rather than some nebulous "we".

I imagine you're referring to Leonard and Holmes? No other club has met the bargain basement price either. That's bizarre. You'd think they'd be queueing from midnight and trampling all over each other when the doors opened.

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The bit about Wilder not paying more than he thinks a player is worth I think is bullshit

There is no absolute value on a player, he is not a Mars Bar or a pint of Peroni

It is a negotiation process and to go in with a "We'll pay you this amount take it or leave it" is folly

Stinks more of McCabe than a football manager to be honest

Did Wilder employ the same tactics when buying his house I wonder

"I'll give you x amount for it and if you don't like it you can shove it up your arse"

Of course he didn't

 

[I should coco]

The bit about Wilder not paying more than he thinks a player is worth I think is bullshit

There is no absolute value on a player, he is not a Mars Bar or a pint of Peroni

It is a negotiation process and to go in with a "We'll pay you this amount take it or leave it" is folly

Stinks more of McCabe than a football manager to be honest

Did Wilder employ the same tactics when buying his house I wonder

"I'll give you x amount for it and if you don't like it you can shove it up your arse"

Of course he didn't

I was going to say 'half empty', but to be honest, I think someone has nicked your glass.

 

[JJBlade]

I was going to say 'half empty', but to be honest, I think someone has nicked your glass.

No I'm fine
I don't care how little we spend

I'm just not buying it that Wilder or any other football manager sets a certain value on a player and then blinkers himself totally and ignores negotiation

 

[andy m]

I was going to say 'half empty', but to be honest, I think someone has nicked your glass.

Think it was Carruthers and he's pissed in it

 

[I should coco]

I'm just not buying it that Wilder or any other football manager sets a certain value on a player and then blinkers himself totally and ignores negotiation

I think there is more than an element of PR to let people know that we won't get our leg lifted.

Your house analogy wasn't a great one as that is a market with lots of buyers and sellers and good information. Football players looking to move up a division, are in a much more limited market with perhaps only a handful of potential buyers. Obviously this would not include the Massive who only pay £10 for Premier 'stars'.

His 'value' will be what someone is willing to pay. If CW fixes a value and doesn't budge, then I agree it is silly, but with only us and Millwall in for him there won't be that much 'negotiation'.

 

[derfblade.3]

He needs sacking now! He knows fuck all about the value of players, i mean,Jake Wright for nowt? We should have paid 500k for that lad. And that Fleck bloke who we also got for nowt. Wilders value of a player is mistifying.Why didn't he know the guy was worth millions ?

 

[JJBlade]

I think there is more than an element of PR to let people know that we won't get our leg lifted.

Your house analogy wasn't a great one as that is a market with lots of buyers and sellers and good information. Football players looking to move up a division, are in a much more limited market with perhaps only a handful of potential buyers. Obviously this would not include the Massive who only pay £10 for Premier 'stars'.

His 'value' will be what someone is willing to pay. If CW fixes a value and doesn't budge, then I agree it is silly, but with only us and Millwall in for him there won't be that much 'negotiation'.

Yes;
The point I was making with the house analogy is that there is no fixed price

Buying a player has no fixed price unless he's out of contract, we can certainly say we are not paying £27 million for him but it just seems quite petty that we won't up the offer a bit more for a player that Wilder obviously wants

The length of contract left can determine an approximate value but it is still an approximate value

Southend are taking a risk on getting as much out of Leonard as they can

He is worth more to them in the team next season than it is to sell him, unless that offer is sufficient

If they lose him for nothing but he's helped them get promoted it will have been worth it

They want what they want, and we are apparently not a million miles away from that figure, so just pay it like you would for any other commodity with no set value

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Yes;
The point I was making with the house analogy is that there is no fixed price

Buying a player has no fixed price unless he's out of contract, we can certainly say we are not paying £27 million for him but it just seems quite petty that we won't up the offer a bit more for a player that Wilder obviously wants

The length of contract left can determine an approximate value but it is still an approximate value

Southend are taking s risk on getting as much out of Leonard as they can

He is worth more to them in the team next season than it is to sell him, unless that offer is sufficient

If they lose him for nothing but he's helped them get promoted it will have been worth it

They want what they want, and we are apparently not a million miles away from that figure, so just pay it like you would for any other commodity with no set value

I agree - there's a time when you say I think he's worth x but y will get the deal done. If it's not unreasonable then you may pay the difference.

There are intangiables to consider too - is it worth extra money to get him in and intergrated into he squad before pre season starts in earnest. That way he can hit the ground running and we can move on to other targets or do we bide our time and hope to save some cash.

Also other targets could become available - if they do the situation can change.

In this case my opinion is we clearly want him. We arnt a million miles apart if an extra 100k or so gets the deal done - just do it and then focus on the next one.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Perhaps those who think that it is nothing to chuck another £100,000 at another player could buy 265 kop season tickets. Everyone's a winner.
But if we chucked £100,000 at each extra player in a 22 man squad an extra 5820 kop season tickets would have to be purchased.
Would these players require wages?

 

[Chali 2na]

There is no absolute value on a player, he is not a Mars Bar or a pint of Peroni

Funny that, as yesterday, you asserted that you knew the value of the 3 players we're interested in:

Holmes, Leonard and Carey would cost around £1,5 million for all three of them

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Funny that, as yesterday, you asserted that you knew the value of the 3 players we're interested in:

And Carey would have been free!

 

[Chali 2na]

And Carey would have been free!

That may well be true, but I won't know for sure until JJBlade comes to tell me his real value

 

[Pinchy]

No I'm fine
I don't care how little we spend

I'm just not buying it that Wilder or any other football manager sets a certain value on a player and then blinkers himself totally and ignores negotiation

Of course he doesn't ignore negotiation but he saves his best offer until last. It's what all of us who negotiate do.

You're allowing your negative obsession with our chairman, to whom we owe a huge debt of gratitude whist acknowledging his serious errors, to distort your reality.

 

[JJBlade]

Perhaps those who think that it is nothing to chuck another £100,000 at another player could buy 265 kop season tickets. Everyone's a winner.
But if we chucked £100,000 at each extra player in a 22 man squad an extra 5820 kop season tickets would have to be purchased.
Would these players require wages?

Maybe if we bought him that extra 265 season tickets would be sold

Maybe 5820 extra season tickets is not beyond the realms of possibility for our club if the public could see some ambition

It's not asking for miracles for a well supported championship club to offer a League One club the near asking price for their best player

It's actually embarrassing not offering it

 

[Pinchy]

Yes;
The point I was making with the house analogy is that there is no fixed price

Buying a player has no fixed price unless he's out of contract, we can certainly say we are not paying £27 million for him but it just seems quite petty that we won't up the offer a bit more for a player that Wilder obviously wants

The length of contract left can determine an approximate value but it is still an approximate value

Southend are taking a risk on getting as much out of Leonard as they can

He is worth more to them in the team next season than it is to sell him, unless that offer is sufficient

If they lose him for nothing but he's helped them get promoted it will have been worth it

They want what they want, and we are apparently not a million miles away from that figure, so just pay it like you would for any other commodity with no set value

You make up the difference, then. Personally I never "just pay it".

I would love to strike a deal with you. Would you like to buy my car?

 

[LJBlade]

The bit about Wilder not paying more than he thinks a player is worth I think is bullshit

There is no absolute value on a player, he is not a Mars Bar or a pint of Peroni

It is a negotiation process and to go in with a "We'll pay you this amount take it or leave it" is folly

Stinks more of McCabe than a football manager to be honest

Did Wilder employ the same tactics when buying his house I wonder

"I'll give you x amount for it and if you don't like it you can shove it up your arse"

Of course he didn't

So you think Wilder would be happy to spend £1m on a player he thinks is only worth 500k? I don't. When he became manager he made a big fuss about how we've wasted money on players and that we wouldn't be going down that route again.

 

[JJBlade]

Funny that, as yesterday, you asserted that you knew the value of the 3 players we're interested in:

£1.5 million would have got all three of them,
Up until yesterday Carey would have cost nothing and if we'd offered £750,000 for each of the two and they'd be here already

It still doesn't mean that they have an absolute value

 

[Sean Thornton]

I was going to say 'half empty', but to be honest, I think someone has nicked your glass.

That someone, do you think it's McCabe?

 

[JJBlade]

So you think Wilder would be happy to spend £1m on a player he thinks is only worth 500k? I don't. When he became manager he made a big fuss about how we've wasted money on players and that we wouldn't be going down that route again.

No
I said I don't think it's Wilders decision to pay a definite amount and not a penny more

Leonard and Holmes are only worth a fraction of there value because their contracts have less than a year to run

Sign them, put them under a longer contract and they are worth more than what we paid if they are as good as Wilder thinks they are

These players are not the Hammonds and Salmons of this world with no resale value or value to the team

 

[Sean Thornton]

Perhaps those who think that it is nothing to chuck another £100,000 at another player could buy 265 kop season tickets. Everyone's a winner.
But if we chucked £100,000 at each extra player in a 22 man squad an extra 5820 kop season tickets would have to be purchased.
Would these players require wages?

Please pack it in with the common sense posts. If you don't have an agenda, you aren't welcome here..

 

[Sean Thornton]

No
I said I don't think it's Wilders decision to pay a definite amount and not a penny more

Leonard and Holmes are only worth a fraction of there value because their contracts have less than a year to run

Sign them, put them under a longer contract and they are worth more than what we paid if they are as good as Wilder thinks they are

These players are not the Hammonds and Salmons of this world with no resale value or value to the team

So he's been lying to us then?

 

[JJBlade]

You make up the difference, then. Personally I never "just pay it".

I would love to strike a deal with you. Would you like to buy my car?

No
Your car has a definite book value

A footballer doesn't

Is that clear enough for you

 

[Pinchy]

No
I said I don't think it's Wilders decision to pay a definite amount and not a penny more

Take it up with Wilder then. He's reiterated it time and time again whilst your hands have been over your ears.

Of course it's not as rigid as 'not a penny more' but don't you let anything get in the way of your agenda.