Football fight club

[s35blade]

Just watched a BBC documentary titled "Football fight club". As the name suggests it's about various Football hooligan firms and how a entire new generation are getting involved in Football violence. Personally the impression I took away from this is that the new Football firms are filled up with a lot of non-too bright, working class teenagers who love the sense of belonging and purpose that a Firm gives them.

But it did make me wonder about our own club. Do any of you know about any hooligan firms at United? I don't want to join one, trust me. It's just when I ever go to games the I don't sense any trouble at all, In fact I'd say that a day out at United could easily constitute a day out for all the family. But maybe I'm sitting in an Ivory tower, or as I call it the Westfield health stand and I don't know the reality of life at the back of the Kop.

 

[Esablade]

Do you teleport to your seat in the ground?

 

[drinksmat]

When a flare goes off, probably in that general vicinity.

 

[LSF]

It was a recycled piece of poor TV turned over after 15 minutes.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Hooligans at football, not football hooligans

It always used to be the case that they would meet up away from the game, the game itself was just a convenient 'fixture list' for who was fighting who. Throughout the 'glory days' of football holliganism, I never came across any trouble despite travelling all over the country. The closest I came was at the old Huddersfield ground where they used to wait by the back alleys where we were always escorted back to the station and lob bricks etc over although that was just general thuggery rather than organised fighting which is what it's mainly all about.

Gang warfare will always be around, it's just unfortunate that football is an easy way of providing a start point. With social media the way it is, and the generation of Jeremy Kyle, it's not surprising that it still goes on.

 

[SwissBlade]

Tarqers is your man, although he's more of a face at the wall

 

[Linz]

But if you watched the programme, you'll have seen that not many of them actually went to the matches for the clubs they purported to support... through banning orders and prioritising having a fight over actually going in.

One of the kids, Aaron, has been seen at Bury, Manchester United and FC Manchester - he doesn't want to support a team, he wants to feel big by hitting people (or standing behind a line of Police horses shouting "wankers" at other fans).

 

[SwissBlade]

But if you watched the programme, you'll have seen that not many of them actually went to the matches for the clubs they purported to support... through banning orders and prioritising having a fight over actually going in.

One of the kids, Aaron, has been seen at Bury, Manchester United and FC Manchester - he doesn't want to support a team, he wants to feel big by hitting people (or standing behind a line of Police horses shouting "wankers" at other fans).

Don't a lot of them do this through the EDL nowadays?

 

[More Bladier than thou]

theres still a few hundred active at united. probably a few more bbc2 (youth) than bbc i think. mainly come out for big ones like leeds at home.whilst not really involving myself, i received a 4 year banning order for sticking up for myself whilst being verbally abused and manhandled by s.y.p. i didint pay any attention to the ban and attended games as normal so they dont work ! there are too many cameras and and police around grounds now which is why you wont see alot of what does go off,it happens a bit further away. i would say south yorkshire police have nearly as many thugs as blades do. they love it, but what sets them aside is they target innocent people aswell.it is often the case that the police instigate incidents .i am sure many others on here have seen for themselves.

 

[designblade]

I didn't bother watching the documentary last night but the last time I sat on the Kop at the Lane I noticed quite a few young, wannabe 'hooligans' in the concourse. Wearing Burberry caps and Stone Island jackets trying to look hard, absolutely pathetic.

 

[Grecian2000]

Throughout the 'glory days' of football holliganism, I never came across any trouble despite travelling all over the country.

How did you travel Fleety?

As soon as I started going on coach/train in the earlyish 70's it couldn't be avoided. Coach parks and the route from the station were bloody nightmares almost everywhere (Cardiff, Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham, Luton, Bristol Rovers, Millwall, Leeds, Ipswich, Forest, Stoke without even thinking about it!!!!).
A lot easier to avoid if travelling by car and being able to choose your parking place.

As for the program, very very sad that these people exist around the game. If you belive in Darwin type evolution most of them won't make it past their 20's.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

This would be Manchester's top boy....



I only caught 10 minutes but I did piss myself at this conversation:

*ring ring*
"Is that West Ham?"
Yeah
"what numbers are you?"
10
"we've only got 4, lets meet and we'll do four on four, you're not going to fucking ambush us though, are you"

 

[Grecian2000]

To be fair, one lad did say something very perceptive (not that I think he meant it as such).

Paul (I think) from Bury:

"There are only two types of football fan. Us and those who can't stand us" (or words to that effect).
Yep. you got it.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

[QUOTE="Jim Chimmerney, post: 636247, member: 2467Throughout the 'glory days' of football holliganism, I never came across any trouble despite travelling all over the country.

How did you travel Fleety?

As soon as I started going on coach/train in the earlyish 70's it couldn't be avoided. Coach parks and the route from the station were bloody nightmares almost everywhere (Cardiff, Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham, Luton, Bristol Rovers, Millwall, Leeds, Ipswich, Forest, Stoke without even thinking about it!!!!).
A lot easier to avoid if travelling by car and being able to choose your parking place.

As for the program, very very sad that these people exist around the game. If you belive in Darwin type evolution most of them won't make it past their 20's.[/QUOTE]

Mainly on the train, late 70s / early 80s but as I was travelling from Blackpool I was always away from the main travelling fans. As I say, the main problems I came across were getting from the ground to the station after the game as our police friends didn't give a sh1t where you were going, it was one way for all !

It's a society problem, goes in cycles, nothing to do with football, that's just something they pin it to.

 

[s35blade]

To be honest I thought about how pathetic there past time was. The bloke in charge of the "Blazing squad" admitted that 80% of the time no fights happened due to the police getting in the way or the other firm not turning up. Perhaps the moment that summed up the entire past time, was when West Ham played Man City. The bloke talked about a a "huge fight" and how West Ham were bringing 50 people to the fight. Then it turned out that only 3 people from each side where going to go. Then they drove around Stockport for a bit, nothing happened and they all went home.

 

[Oreyt]

I only caught 10 minutes but I did piss myself at this conversation:

*ring ring*
"Is that West Ham?"
Yeah
"what numbers are you?"
10
"we've only got 4, lets meet and we'll do four on four, you're not going to fucking ambush us though, are you"

Sure this wasn't that Dogging doc?

 

[s35blade]

But if you watched the programme, you'll have seen that not many of them actually went to the matches for the clubs they purported to support... through banning orders and prioritising having a fight over actually going in.

One of the kids, Aaron, has been seen at Bury, Manchester United and FC Manchester - he doesn't want to support a team, he wants to feel big by hitting people (or standing behind a line of Police horses shouting "wankers" at other fans).

True. Very few cared for the football but loved the fashion and the friendship that being part of a "firm" brought them.

 

[malagablade]

its always been there ,ive been going to bdbl since 1962 ,i saw it then and still see it now . most are football fans without a doubt .if people have never seen it they must have been going around with their eyes closed . 60´s n 70´s was unbelievable with literally hundreds in mobs running around fighting and wrecking places . its never gone away,just that now its in much much smaller numbers .

 

[Trigger Blade]

How did you travel Fleety?

Eventually by aeroplane. That avoided scuffles, and indeed any football watching

 

[Grecian2000]

Bugger, I'd forgotten he always turns up on the wrong day. No wonder all that stuff passed him by.

 

[SwissBlade]

Oh dear, just watching this now. They're just kids trying to make a name for themselves, football casuals used to be about style, but looking at all these they're just wearing the labels but without a thought for the style. Bless em

 

[I've never felt more like]

Don't a lot of them do this through the EDL nowadays?

From my point of view I don't think there is any trouble at EDL demos. How could there be since the police are aware of exactly when and where we will be and generally outnumber the demonstrators 4 to 1? In any case the media have a field day!

 

[Goodpinchofclough]

One of the scariest moments of my life was when I was about 6/7 so would have been 97/98. Just left bramall lane with my dad after a Birmingham match, walking along London road, heard a huge roar behind us followed by what seemed like a few hundred yam yams stampeding down the road massacring anything they came across. My dad shoved us down a side street and we avoided it but it'll be a while before I forget that sheer panic and terror as anything could have happened to us.

 

[BerksBlade]

One of the scariest moments of my life was when I was about 6/7 so would have been 97/98. Just left bramall lane with my dad after a Birmingham match, walking along London road, heard a huge roar behind us followed by what seemed like a few hundred yam yams stampeding down the road massacring anything they came across. My dad shoved us down a side street and we avoided it but it'll be a while before I forget that sheer panic and terror as anything could have happened to us.

I thought Yam Yams were Wolves fans?
Thought it was all a bit sad really. Especially the 4 guys driving round Stockport (or wherever) looking for the West Ham fans to fight with. Although one thing that's changed since the 70s is that nowadays the fighting seems limited to those who actually want to take part. If they want to meet in a field in the middle of nowhere and kick 7 shades of sh*t out of each other - let them get on with it.

 

[FTPE]

What an odd set of scroats they were hahaha
I know a few Wednesday "boys" from round our way and they wouldn't set foot in a boxing or mma gym.
If they wanna fight do it away from the police and the real supporters.
Fantastic entertainment though, our lass cringes at thick chavs like that- I can't help but laugh and cheer them on

 

[Mad Mick]

I remember when away fans and home fans used to mix on the Kop. Then around the mid 60's it all kicked off.
One of the biggest was the battle of Bramall Lane against Man City in the late 60's, was all over the papers.
In those days bottles and bricks were used. Most away fans began to go to the Bramall Lane end, you could see both sets of fans going past the cricket pavilion for a punch up.

 

[Bladesway]

Fuckwits being Fuckwits. How can you not want to watch that.

 

[William Large]

theres still a few hundred active at united. probably a few more bbc2 (youth) than bbc i think. mainly come out for big ones like leeds at home.whilst not really involving myself, i received a 4 year banning order for sticking up for myself whilst being verbally abused and manhandled by s.y.p. i didint pay any attention to the ban and attended games as normal so they dont work ! there are too many cameras and and police around grounds now which is why you wont see alot of what does go off,it happens a bit further away. i would say south yorkshire police have nearly as many thugs as blades do. they love it, but what sets them aside is they target innocent people aswell.it is often the case that the police instigate incidents .i am sure many others on here have seen for themselves.

The police target innocent people? What utter shite.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

The police target innocent people? What utter shite.

hundreds saw the police wait outside the sportsman as the fans came out they were beaten with truncheons, this included old men and women who had nowt to do with it so dont call me a liar, i saw it you muppet

 

[grafikhaus]

Personally the impression I took away from this is that the new Football firms are filled up with a lot of non-too bright, working class teenagers who love the sense of belonging and purpose that a Firm gives them.

Sounds like an Army recruiting office.

Just sayin'.