EDDIE HOWE

[Harrisblade]

One thing that isn't in doubt about Howe is that he's a very good coach and plays attractive football.
The big question around him is with regards to his ability in the transfer market. Rather like Wilder he seemed very astute at the lower end but spent a lot of money which didn't immediately come off once the horizon was lifted. I personally think, as with Chris, that this is slightly unfair, and when you don't have the financial backing to be in the market of certainties you have to take chances which don't always pay off. Solenke for example I rate highly as a player who I think will see out the majority of his career in the Premier League and I'd take him for us any time, but he's taken time to settle and find his feet. Players like Ibe will happen, and to be honest, at the time he was highly rated and it looked a very progressive deal for them, just as the Brooks deal did.
If we are going to more of a committee approach to transfers then of course he'll have a stong voice in the room, but it will have a greater level of governance.

Out of all the names I've seen listed, Howe is the only one I think would comes close to having the chance of coming straight back I believed we had with CW.
However changing managers has brought in a significant element of risk which needn't have been there.

Isn't the trade off between 'good coach' and 'dodgy buys in transfer market' why so many clubs have Directors of Football?

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

He's a media darling though

 

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

For me the jury's out on howe not sure if he's an upgrade or even same level as Cw , it's definitely a thought that he'll take over end of the season, the squad is rock bottom at the moment, and he won't want another relegation on his cv but has tindall now preparing the squad to his way of working, the thing with howe he will give youth a chance and want investment in the academy and training facilities but don't expect bounce back first season, just get the feeling coming out of the club CW wanted the money ear marked for the academy and DOF for the first team squad was told no in January due to the league position
Admitted I think if we had been more flexible with the wage structure we would have got our targets over the line last August but it wasn't any guarantee we would be any better off
Pissed off news at 10 Aston

You say you don’t think he’s as good as Wilder, based on what?
Howe got a much much smaller club than Utd up from Division 2 to the Premier League and kept them there longer than Wilder managed to do.

 

[Aston max]

You say you don’t think he’s as good as Wilder, based on what?
Howe got a much much smaller club than Utd up from Division 2 to the Premier League and kept them there longer than Wilder managed to do.

He was well bankrolled mate
And didn't do it at Burnley who are pretty much similar set up to us
I have nothing but admiration for what Chris did for us ,and I go back as far as the day's of john Harris

 

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

He was well bankrolled mate
And didn't do it at Burnley who are pretty much similar set up to us
I have nothing but admiration for what Chris did for us ,and I go back as far as the day's of john Harris

He wasn’t bankrolled until he reached the Premier league and even then I doubt very much that Bournemouth had much more than us to spend. Agree he failed at Burnley but so has Wilder this season. I also have nothing but admiration for the job Wilder has done for us and I’m also from the John Harris days.

 

[mikeheath]

I too am from the John Harris day and my adjudication is..............

Wilder

 

[bypassblade]

I too am from the John Harris day and my adjudication is..............

Wilder

I am also from the Harris era and I still think Sir John is our best manager in my lifetime (so far), he had us playing a brand of football that was rivalled by plenty and we were shit hot.

 

[Aston max]

He wasn’t bankrolled until he reached the Premier league and even then I doubt very much that Bournemouth had much more than us to spend. Agree he failed at Burnley but so has Wilder this season. I also have nothing but admiration for the job Wilder has done for us and I’m also from the John Harris days.

Then what are you trying to get me to say, I have already stated the jury's out on howe "if he arrives " Chris has given us a new brand of attacking football for 4 years and some cracking games
For me the only thing Chris didn't do for me was try the youth properly
As for bankrolling they had a owner with financial muscle to pay the wages needed dont quote me but I would suspect they had a fair few players close to the 100k a week mark than we have, having not seen the wages league table for this year I would suspect we are near the bottom again, and yes I do advocate prudence over what's happened to our near neighbours
I would rather be in our position of financial security

 

[Upton_Blade]

Howe was at Burnley longer than I thought, his record there wasn't as bad as I thought either.

For me Howe is the best option to bring in. He took over at Bournemouth, got them promoted and kept them in the Prem for 5 years, something Wilder couldn't do with us.

Yeah that surprised me as well. I thought he'd lasted less than a season but turns out I was wrong.

40% win percentage isn't as bad as I'd remembered either.

Still not sure he's the right option but can see the appeal to some.

Also as a side note all those saying Tindall is here warming the seat and prepping for his arrival I think are well wide of the mark. By all accounts according to Muff fans on Twatter they fell out spectacularly either just before Howe left or when he left and the chances of them working together are less than 0.

 

[Upton_Blade]

For me the jury's out on howe not sure if he's an upgrade or even same level as Cw , it's definitely a thought that he'll take over end of the season, the squad is rock bottom at the moment, and he won't want another relegation on his cv but has tindall now preparing the squad to his way of working, the thing with howe he will give youth a chance and want investment in the academy and training facilities but don't expect bounce back first season, just get the feeling coming out of the club CW wanted the money ear marked for the academy and DOF for the first team squad was told no in January due to the league position
Admitted I think if we had been more flexible with the wage structure we would have got our targets over the line last August but it wasn't any guarantee we would be any better off
Pissed off news at 10 Aston

I'm not sure that's correct.

A while back I read that one of the negatives that's chucked at Muff is that they didn't use all the years in The Prem to upgrade the infrastructure of the club and instead spent all the money on fees and wages.

By all accounts when they went down they still had basically the same facilities as they did 5/6 years ago but an astronomical wage bill.

If this was Howe's choice then IMHO it should rule him out straight away.

 

[Aston max]

I'm not sure that's correct.

A while back I read that one of the negatives that's chucked at Muff is that they didn't use all the years in The Prem to upgrade the infrastructure of the club and instead spent all the money on fees and wages.

By all accounts when they went down they still had basically the same facilities as they did 5/6 years ago but an astronomical wage bill.

If this was Howe's choice then IMHO it should rule him out straight away.

I stand corrected

 

[Stevo]

I stand corrected

Said the man in orthopaedic shoes

 

[Aston max]

Said the man in orthopaedic shoes

Funnily enough not yet mate despite my advancing years

 

[Aston max]

I stand corrected

Funnily enough just spoken to a supplier who's a muff fan and they are really pissed off with tindall, apparently if howe comes in he'll guarantee tindall will get turfed out on his ear, and they've just signed off on a 35m training complex

 

[Aston max]

Apparently the 35m doesn't affect FFP as its an infrastructure investment

 

[Torrix1889]

Yeah that surprised me as well. I thought he'd lasted less than a season but turns out I was wrong.

40% win percentage isn't as bad as I'd remembered either.

Still not sure he's the right option but can see the appeal to some.

Also as a side note all those saying Tindall is here warming the seat and prepping for his arrival I think are well wide of the mark. By all accounts according to Muff fans on Twatter they fell out spectacularly either just before Howe left or when he left and the chances of them working together are less than 0.

I heard that they had supposedly fallen out but didn't Warnock and Blackwell hate each others guts at one stage?

 

[Bladesmanstan]

Yeah that surprised me as well. I thought he'd lasted less than a season but turns out I was wrong.

40% win percentage isn't as bad as I'd remembered either.

Still not sure he's the right option but can see the appeal to some.

Also as a side note all those saying Tindall is here warming the seat and prepping for his arrival I think are well wide of the mark. By all accounts according to Muff fans on Twatter they fell out spectacularly either just before Howe left or when he left and the chances of them working together are less than 0.

There's nothing in the news anywhere about them falling out, so I'd love to know how this 1 random Journalist who tweeted it over the weekend knows. Quite a lot of AFCB fans are also shocked at this and had no idea about it.

 

[Torrix1889]

There's nothing in the news anywhere about them falling out, so I'd love to know how this 1 random Journalist who tweeted it over the weekend knows. Quite a lot of AFCB fans are also shocked at this and had no idea about it.

Howe has gone on record previously to say he and Tindall had their moments and he doubted that they would work together at the start but it just clicked and they compliment each other well. Easy to say they hate each other when one leaves and the other takes his job, bit like Blackwell and Warnock as alluded to above....

 

[Upton_Blade]

I heard that they had supposedly fallen out but didn't Warnock and Blackwell hate each others guts at one stage?

Yeah they did and took years for them to get over it but they did eventually.

 

[Upton_Blade]

There's nothing in the news anywhere about them falling out, so I'd love to know how this 1 random Journalist who tweeted it over the weekend knows. Quite a lot of AFCB fans are also shocked at this and had no idea about it.

Yeah just checking now and can't find much. Maybe it is a load of bollocks after all.

If it is to be Howe and Tindall then fair enough and they'll get my support as any new manager would but by god they'll have to hit the ground running.

There are certainly far worse options out there and being touted.

 

[Oreyt]

And that's HOWE for NOW

 

[nopigfansintown]

One thing that isn't in doubt about Howe is that he's a very good coach and plays attractive football.
The big question around him is with regards to his ability in the transfer market. Rather like Wilder he seemed very astute at the lower end but spent a lot of money which didn't immediately come off once the horizon was lifted. I personally think, as with Chris, that this is slightly unfair, and when you don't have the financial backing to be in the market of certainties you have to take chances which don't always pay off. Solenke for example I rate highly as a player who I think will see out the majority of his career in the Premier League and I'd take him for us any time, but he's taken time to settle and find his feet. Players like Ibe will happen, and to be honest, at the time he was highly rated and it looked a very progressive deal for them, just as the Brooks deal did.
If we are going to more of a committee approach to transfers then of course he'll have a stong voice in the room, but it will have a greater level of governance.

Out of all the names I've seen listed, Howe is the only one I think would comes close to having the chance of coming straight back I believed we had with CW.
However changing managers has brought in a significant element of risk which needn't have been there.

I don't agree that Howe is a good coach. His sides are God awful at the back. Howe's teams in his second spell at Bournemouth were incredibly expensively assembled and on huge wages comparatively. I hate to break it to Blades but we already have a committee approach to transfers. The situation you've envisaged Howe having has been the status quo under the Prince's sole ownership. What they wanted to do was take any influence the manager/coaching staff had away. Personally I can't see Howe working under such a scenario (or any manager worth his salt) but we'll have to wait and see. I'm expecting a left field appointment.

 

[nopigfansintown]

He wasn’t bankrolled until he reached the Premier league and even then I doubt very much that Bournemouth had much more than us to spend. Agree he failed at Burnley but so has Wilder this season. I also have nothing but admiration for the job Wilder has done for us and I’m also from the John Harris days.

Not true. He had mega backing all the way through his second spell. So much so that Bournemouth broke financial fair play rules https://www.skysports.com/football/...-6m-after-breaching-financial-fair-play-rules I can remember them signing Matt Ritchie in L1 and blowing our "game changing investment" out of the water for Callum Wilson.
His nickname "cheque book Eddie" was well earned. The problem United have is we have no Max Denim to finance him.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I don't agree that Howe is a good coach. His sides are God awful at the back. Howe's teams in his second spell at Bournemouth were incredibly expensively assembled and on huge wages comparatively. I hate to break it to Blades but we already have a committee approach to transfers. The situation you've envisaged Howe having has been the status quo under the Prince's sole ownership. What they wanted to do was take any influence the manager/coaching staff had away. Personally I can't see Howe working under such a scenario (or any manager worth his salt) but we'll have to wait and see. I'm expecting a left field appointment.

Do you have anything to support your view of what they were proposing, or is it pure supposition on your part?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Do you have anything to support your view of what they were proposing, or is it pure supposition on your part?

The revelations re the Bogle transfer at the fan's forum in which it was revealed that Wilder was outvoted and had to persuade members of the committee to change their votes. Wilder's comments on the Brewster signing recently. Phipps's comments on Clough's sacking being linked to his bypassing the transfer committee - at fans forums and on facebook when he held a senior management position. Comments re the transfer committee in the media over the last three to four years. Information in the court depositions. There's a lot to go on.
The irony as I see it: a quasi democratic structure with input from football staff, will be replaced by an autocratic system with a DOF from what background? And this is progress?

 

[Torrix1889]

The problem United have is we have no Max Denim to finance him.

Might not be true though......there are rumours floating about that there would have been funds for Wilder next season but that he would have to agree to a DoF....we will have to see but I suspect Howe would want a reasonable guarantee of funds if he was to take over....at least be able to re-invest from player sales/salary savings...

 

[nopigfansintown]

Might not be true though......there are rumours floating about that there would have been funds for Wilder next season but that he would have to agree to a DoF....we will have to see but I suspect Howe would want a reasonable guarantee of funds if he was to take over....at least be able to re-invest from player sales/salary savings...

Well if that's true it would be "game changing" to coin a phrase. I have my doubts as they are still arguing over a couple of million for the new training ground building, and the kop post removal plan has gone noticeably quiet. These are minor inconveniences for people with big money.

 

[Torrix1889]

Well if that's true it would be "game changing" to coin a phrase. I have my doubts as they are still arguing over a couple of million for the new training ground building, and the kop post removal plan has gone noticeably quiet. These are minor inconveniences for people with big money.

From what I read the funds were coming from new investment....

 

[nopigfansintown]

From what I read the funds were coming from new investment....

I've seen the same suggestions of major new backing. Obvious question: why not just buy the club and sack CW? CW being in situ is by no means a stumbling block nor would it be in any other business. It would actually make his dismissal more understandable for most Blades, and the Prince would come out of it with his reputation unaffected. "New owners want their own men"...
The other question is who would put major invest in a club the size of United they don't own lock, stock and barrel? I'm not convinced...

 

[Mouth of the South]

I've seen the same suggestions of major new backing. Obvious question: why not just buy the club and sack CW? CW being in situ is by no means a stumbling block nor would it be in any other business. It would actually make his dismissal more understandable for most Blades, and the Prince would come out of it with his reputation unaffected. "New owners want their own men"...
The other question is who would put major invest in a club the size of United they don't own lock, stock and barrel? I'm not convinced...

Well PA did for a start. Admittedly, it was L1 level investment i.e. £10m but all the same, it was still an investment in the team rather than any infrastructure. If it does happen, I bet PA will make sure the contract is watertight!