Doyle signs new contract

[alcoblade]

Maybe he's taken a pay cut.

Quite possibly. Cresswell did.

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[ghandi]

Quite possibly. Cresswell did.

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Whatever we are paying Cresswell is too much.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

I'm glad he's signed but 3 years seems too generous. I think unless someone is outstanding, 2 years should be the norm.

 

[mpjacko]

Im surprised any players want to sign for us when we whinge at everything the club does

that's because the club hasn't done anything right(mostly) since we got relegated from the PL, hence why we are paying for it now

 

[Foxy]

that's because the club hasn't done anything right(mostly) since we got relegated from the PL, hence why we are paying for it now

For many, the club didn't do anything right up until the moment promotion was sealed by Reading at Leeds either.

 

[Micalijo]

Really?

Age is not a major barrier. I'm 35 and I'm fitter now than I was at 30.[/quote

Do you go pre season training in Saudi Arabia?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Is it just Blades ,we give our club and team captain and obviously influential player a 3 year contract ,when we have not secured players over the last couple of years and all we do is moan like fuck ?


Mind you its the same usual names ,what would their reaction have been if he had left at Xmas leaving us bare in the middle ?- no foresight.
what would there reaction be if he had a one year contract - no ambition
2 year contract ,we will lose both Macdonald and Doyle next season - pathetic ,McCabe is a prick.

Moan moan moan

Do you want an argument about the wisdom in giving Doyle a three year contract at this stage, or an argument about fans' moaning?

Mixing the two is a waste of time.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Really?

Age is not a major barrier. I'm 35 and I'm fitter now than I was at 30.

Are you better at football too? I have a jogging route that I've ran for about ten years. I broke my record this summer, at 36, so my stamina had never been better for at least ten years. I notice that I'm not as good at football though. I'm slower, find it more difficult to dribble and find myself not getting to balls that I used to get a toe on.

Richard Cresswell said he won a stamina contest in training last summer and he may well be among the fittest stamina-wise now as well. But it is very obvious that he is past his best as a footballer now.

 

[Bladesman]

2 years might of been better

 

[secretchief]

Perhaps, just perhaps our manager thinks that his club captain is worth a decent contract.

He already has a very lucrative one.

 

[secretchief]

Really?

Age is not a major barrier. I'm 35 and I'm fitter now than I was at 30.

It is for professional footballers, which is why so few are 35.

 

[Bergen Blade]

It is for professional footballers, which is why so few are 35.

Does anyone know how many outfield players are aged 35 and over in the Premiership? There were apparantly eight a couple of years ago.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

We're skint apparently. Have to keep reducing the wage bill. So we give a 3 year deal to a guy who wouldn't be good enough in the championship. Obviously we don't think that will become a problem...

We shouldn't be giving 3 year deals to anybody when we seemingly can't even afford to sign anybody. Who knows what will happen, he could get injured or turn crap or meet some tramp in a bar. Not worth the risk. Ok in a years time, who will want him? Nobody that is better than us. The chances of a £15million bid from Juventus for a 30+ guy who is just about good enough to make our team in league one appears pretty slim. If anybody better than us wanted him, he'd be gone already. We only keep players nobody else wants. Otherwise we'd get rid and replace him with some brainless lump on £300 a week.

 

[banbury]

The timing of this is very strange. He gets sent off and a 3 match ban, and we decide now is the time to give him a three year contract! Whatever the wages and other issues this is not clever

 

[SwissBlade]

Micalijo not yet. But I'll go anywhere for the right deal

 

[SwissBlade]

Are you better at football too? I have a jogging route that I've ran for about ten years. I broke my record this summer, at 36, so my stamina had never been better for at least ten years. I notice that I'm not as good at football though. I'm slower, find it more difficult to dribble and find myself not getting to balls that I used to get a toe on.

Richard Cresswell said he won a stamina contest in training last summer and he may well be among the fittest stamina-wise now as well. But it is very obvious that he is past his best as a footballer now.

I haven't played football since 2007, planning to make comeback in the spring, but my fitness still needs to get back to that of when I was 28

 

[SwissBlade]

It is for professional footballers, which is why so few are 35.

So few or none?

I could name a lot of players who hit mid 30s and still do a job. We've had enough at the lane

 

[SwissBlade]

Does anyone know how many outfield players are aged 35 and over in the Premiership? There were apparantly eight a couple of years ago.

Here's some news... We're not in the premier league...

And we're talking of a guy who will be 34 at the end of his contract

 

[Sirius]

3 years contracts for people over 31???

Have we learned nothing for gods sake?

Was this a quote from Sir A Ferguson?

 

[metalblade]

With Sheffield United any news is bad news FFS a 3 year deal at 31 year old only a few weeks ago most fans were moaning that Cresswell was a parasite taking a wage when he can't last a game out.......................... So what does the club do make him a coach and replace him with an ageing Doyle, you couldn't make it up soon we will have more coaches than National Express or maybe we are recruiting for some obscure Australian team.

 

[secretchief]

So few or none?

I could name a lot of players who hit mid 30s and still do a job. We've had enough at the lane

And yet most can't.

Their legs go. The name Richard Cresswell springs to mind.

They get more injuries when they get older, which take longer to recover from, if indeed they do recover (Morgs).

You have no evidentiary basis whatsoever (other than your personal anecdotal experience, for which I congratulate you by the way) to think Doyle will be able to hack it in three years - only a minority of players can, as you concede.

Look, this is probably to spread the cost of his current contract over a longer period to reduce the wage bill at the present time, but the upshot is we are going to be stuck with him for three years, in which time he will certainly deteriorate and it will mean that the likes of Whitehouse will have to wait longer to come through.

The alternative, that Wilson actually wants to tie down an eminently replaceable player down for his twilight years, is pretty depressing to contemplate, because it means we are out of ideas as well as money, and I get the feeling this is the case when your manager's idea of tactics is to rotate masses of strikers endlessly, even when it has no appreciable effect on the game.

 

[metalblade]

And yet most can't.

Their legs go. The name Richard Cresswell springs to mind.

They get more injuries when they get older, which take longer to recover from, if indeed they do recover (Morgs).

You have no evidentiary basis whatsoever (other than your personal anecdotal experience, for which I congratulate you by the way) to think Doyle will be able to hack it in three years - only a minority of players can, as you concede.

Look, this is probably to spread the cost of his current contract over a longer period to reduce the wage bill at the present time, but the upshot is we are going to be stuck with him for three years, in which time he will certainly deteriorate and it will mean that the likes of Whitehouse will have to wait longer to come through.

The alternative, that Wilson actually wants to tie down an eminently replaceable player down for his twilight years, is pretty depressing to contemplate, because it means we are out of ideas as well as money, and I get the feeling this is the case when your manager's idea of tactics is to rotate masses of strikers endlessly, even when it has no appreciable effect on the game.

My thoughts exactly

 

[Bergen Blade]

I haven't played football since 2007, planning to make comeback in the spring, but my fitness still needs to get back to that of when I was 28

Good luck!

 

[alcoblade]

Look, this is probably to spread the cost of his current contract over a longer period to reduce the wage bill at the present time.

Fuck that - don't spoil the fun. I'm sure the club has done everything it can to break the current fair play rules and cripple itself.....

In seriousness, we've made some silly decisions in the past. But it's not beyond belief that the club has learned from a few mistakes and you've hit the nail on the head here.

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[alcoblade]

The alternative, that Wilson actually wants to tie down an eminently replaceable player down for his twilight years, is pretty depressing to contemplate, because it means we are out of ideas as well as money, and I get the feeling this is the case when your manager's idea of tactics is to rotate masses of strikers endlessly, even when it has no appreciable effect on the game.

It's noticeable how the manager losing the plot is directly correlated with Ched Evans being found guilty of rape.

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[Revolution]

I am not too fussed about this deal, but would like to state for the record that in 2 to 3 years' time Doyle's wages under this contract are going to be described as "crippling" on this board, possibly because we will be in league 2 at the time.

 

[SwissBlade]

And yet most can't.

Their legs go. The name Richard Cresswell springs to mind.

They get more injuries when they get older, which take longer to recover from, if indeed they do recover (Morgs).

You have no evidentiary basis whatsoever (other than your personal anecdotal experience, for which I congratulate you by the way) to think Doyle will be able to hack it in three years - only a minority of players can, as you concede.

But we're not talking about him playing until he's 40, we're talking about the last year of his contract being at 34... which whilst you're on the subject of Cresswell, last season he was 34 and still managed an excellent season, being a fantastic partner for Ched. In fact many have noted Cresswell as a major factor in Cheds success.

What do you mean I have no evidentiary basis? Neither do you.

I said that a number of players still manage to hack it into their mid 30's providing that they keep themselves in shape. For a contract of this duration, a medical would've found any injury concerns.

I don't get the point you're making with regards to Morgs, has it been explicitly stated that his failure to recover was age related? No it hasn't

 

[secretchief]

But we're not talking about him playing until he's 40, we're talking about the last year of his contract being at 34... which whilst you're on the subject of Cresswell, last season he was 34 and still managed an excellent season, being a fantastic partner for Ched. In fact many have noted Cresswell as a major factor in Cheds success.

What do you mean I have no evidentiary basis? Neither do you.

I said that a number of players still manage to hack it into their mid 30's providing that they keep themselves in shape. For a contract of this duration, a medical would've found any injury concerns.

I don't get the point you're making with regards to Morgs, has it been explicitly stated that his failure to recover was age related? No it hasn't

Look, I don't want to gt embroiled in this for ever. Quickly:

a) Who said anything about 40 year olds? What are you on about?

b) The burden of proof is on those that make the claim. Since you claim he'll be fine, you should have a reason to believe this (I've never said he definitively won't, since I don't know - just that it's likely). Since the majority of footballers can't hack it at 34, the statistical probability of Doyle being one of them is more likely to support my assertion.

c) Cresswell's 'excellent' season is subjective (he scored 1 in 5), and in any case, aerial target men don't have to be as mobile as defensive midfielders, which Cresswell unarguably isn't.

d) Morg's failure to recover might not have been age-related but it can't have helped.

We don't need to agonizingly turn over every point to know that three year contracts for old players are bad ideas when there is plenty of recent evidence to show they are very problematic down the line.

 

[metalblade]

Hehe some will still be putting a positive spin on the club as we slip into the old Division 4, what next the Blue Square Bet Premier League ? It is quite obviously an accounting exercise, a month ago it was we might have to sell Doyle if we can't move the high earners on. Today Doyle now finds himself the clubs top earner and this is just a way to spread payments we can't afford over a longer time period. What a lot find baffling is how a club in league one getting crowds 2 and sometimes 3x higher than the rest of the division struggles to pay the dross we now have as players, how do clubs with gates as low as 3 or 4,000 such as Stevenage who have also lost half their team over the summer manage to replace that team with little or no change in fortunes on the pitch. We on the other hand keep players the wrong side of 30 who no one wants and have no resale value whilst with the other hand sell promising youngsters to finance the wages of the over 30's dross and end up with a team far worse season upon season.

 

[cooperblade]

Danny Wilson made it very clear that he couldn't allow a situation to develop again where a lot of the senior players' contracts all expired at the same time (like they were due to at the end of this season), this deal is a step towards preventing that and I'd be surprised if there isn't a similar offer on the table for Collins.

I agree that a 3 year deal benefits Doyle more than it does us (although it's reported he's signed on reduced terms) and ideally we'd have given him a 1 or, maybe, 2 year extension. Would Doyle have accepted that though? He doesn't want to be out of contract at 32/33 when it's going to be much harder for him to find a new club. I'm not saying we should always bow to player demands but perhaps the club felt losing Doyle at the end of this season was too big a gamble to take? If we can keep our better, more experienced players, it gives Wilson something to build around whilst we're making a lot of changes.

People say he's easily replaceable as he's 'just' a ballwinner but I think the last couple of matches have disproved this. We certainly don't have anyone at present who is capable of (or trusted to) replace him and the quality of our play has suffered hugely in his absence - we've been far more direct without him. For me, the big difference between this contract and the ones offered to Montgomery and Cresswell is that with the latter two, we had other options available at the club. With Doyle, we very clearly don't.