Doyle signs new contract

[Fiery Blade]

Unfortunately that post emphasises why it is difficult to have a sensible debate on here.

It's difficult to have a sensible debate when certain members get very touchy that there are alternative views!
Lets keep it sensible then, don't mention Doyle in the same debate as Gerrard, Neville, Lampard, Scholes etc - These guys are/were top international performers getting there through a mixture of hard work, effort and not a short measure of talent - those qualities set them apart from the rest - unfortunately Doyle is one of the rest - the reason he is not a top international player is that he lacks some if not all those qualities!!

 

[alcoblade]

unfortunately Doyle is one of the rest - the reason he is not a top international player is that he lacks some if not all those qualities!!

And the reason nobody is arguing he'll be playing top flight football in the next 3 years. He might well maintain his level, just like they've done.

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[oldblade]

Nail on the head there Bergen, certain posters either like arguing for the sake of it or they truly cannot see any fault or cannot stand anything to be said about SUFC that does not portray the club in a good light.

Emphatic case of pot calling kettle black here I think!

Many of the posters disagreeing with you have not actually said it's a faultless decision. They just don't see it as a particularly bad decision deserving of a good old anti club slating, and have offered a more balanced view.

 

[oldblade]

Are you better at football too? I have a jogging route that I've ran for about ten years. I broke my record this summer, at 36, so my stamina had never been better for at least ten years. I notice that I'm not as good at football though. I'm slower, find it more difficult to dribble and find myself not getting to balls that I used to get a toe on.

Richard Cresswell said he won a stamina contest in training last summer and he may well be among the fittest stamina-wise now as well. But it is very obvious that he is past his best as a footballer now.

Well I'm way older than 36 and just as good at football as I ever was!

 

[oldblade]

It's difficult to have a sensible debate when certain members get very touchy that there are alternative views!
Lets keep it sensible then, don't mention Doyle in the same debate as Gerrard, Neville, Lampard, Scholes etc - These guys are/were top international performers getting there through a mixture of hard work, effort and not a short measure of talent - those qualities set them apart from the rest - unfortunately Doyle is one of the rest - the reason he is not a top international player is that he lacks some if not all those qualities!!

It is not unreasonable to use those players in this debate. They are examples of players who who have mainained their levels of fitness to a degree that enabled them to carry out the roles required of them at their respective clubs to an older age than Doyle will be when his 3 year contract expires.

Nobody is trying to say that Doyle is a premier league footballer. But if they can cut it at that level into their mid 30s and beyond, there is no reason why Dole can't perform at a lower level until he's 34.

 

[metalblade]

Emphatic case of pot calling kettle black here I think!

Many of the posters disagreeing with you have not actually said it's a faultless decision. They just don't see it as a particularly bad decision deserving of a good old anti club slating, and have offered a more balanced view.

I'm still waiting for your views on that question from earlier in the thread or are you going to carry on waffling on about players like Gerrard and Giggs ad infinitum ???

Again, What if any are the advantages of giving a 31 yr old a three year deal rather than a one year rolling contract that can be reviewed/extended at any suitable time ???

 

[oldblade]

I'm still waiting for your views on that question from earlier in the thread or are you going to carry on waffling on about players like Gerrard and Giggs ad infinitum ???

Again, What if any are the advantages of giving a 31 yr old a three year deal rather than a one year rolling contract that can be reviewed/extended at any suitable time ???

As I said. Emphatic case of pot calling kettle black.

Your question has been answered if you care to read and digest any of the posts on this thread.

The club probably pays a reduced wage to Doyle in exchange for a lengthier contract. Doyle is clearly an important player for us and one that it seems Wilson wants to keep for the medium term. He is a known quantity and has been playing well for us. I see no evidence to suggest his legs are gone, as someone on here would have you believe. How do you know he wasn't offered a reduced length of contract but declined to sign?

He was a very important player to us last season, is obviously fit and hardly ever gets injured. He will only be 34 years old at the end of his contract which is hardly geriatric for a player at championship level below occupying a defensive midfield position.

We have now retained the services of a player that Wilson wants to keep for longer than the short term and probably at a reduced wage. This helps us stay within the wages/turnover limit and may free up money to be used on other players.

Whether or not this turns out to be a good decision by the club or not remains to be seen. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but I can see some advantages in it. It's hardly an outrageous thing for the club to have done and as I have said, it's hardly something to get your knickers in a twist over.

 

[sitwell]

I'm still waiting for your views on that question from earlier in the thread or are you going to carry on waffling on about players like Gerrard and Giggs ad infinitum ???

Again, What if any are the advantages of giving a 31 yr old a three year deal rather than a one year rolling contract that can be reviewed/extended at any suitable time ???

The 'waffling' was done to compare footballers ages ,is that too much you to take on board , when I posted it I thought some clever dick will start saying we are comparing abilities ,I did have you down but you were beaten to it by another who just likes to belittle Sheff Utd.

The advantage is that he might get an offer from another club and leave us without a decent defensive midfielder, experienced player and captain.

 

[Fiery Blade]

The 'waffling' was done to compare footballers ages ,is that too much you to take on board , when I posted it I thought some clever dick will start saying we are comparing abilities ,I did have you down but you were beaten to it by another who just likes to belittle Sheff Utd.

The advantage is that he might get an offer from another club and leave us without a decent defensive midfielder, experienced player and captain.

If that was directed towards me Sitwell I neither belittle Sheffield United FC or fellow posters on this site - read your comments and inwardly digest!

To clarify what I was trying to get over was that the higher class players tend to work harder, remain fitter and look after themselves far better than players of lesser ability - there are always exceptions but generally the older you get the mechanics of the body tend to let you down rather than your ability.

As for Doyle getting an offer from another club - Doyle is replaceable by several defensive midfielders at this level - the likes of McDonald is not - that's the difference

 

[sitwell]

What rubbish ,by your reckoning Monty would have more ability than Macdonald.
Could you name me any of these replacements, under 31 with experience.

 

[metalblade]

If that was directed towards me Sitwell I neither belittle Sheffield United FC or fellow posters on this site - read your comments and inwardly digest!

To clarify what I was trying to get over was that the higher class players tend to work harder, remain fitter and look after themselves far better than players of lesser ability - there are always exceptions but generally the older you get the mechanics of the body tend to let you down rather than your ability.

As for Doyle getting an offer from another club - Doyle is replaceable by several defensive midfielders at this level - the likes of McDonald is not - that's the difference

Exactly .............. and the reason I see no advantage in a 3 yr deal, even if some club did want Doyle we have a contract and we can say NO (unusual for SUFC I know) jeez anyone would think he is a stand out player at this level (decent/good but not stand out good). Next season he might not be any good even at this level, should we get promoted he will certainly not be good enough.

 

[Fiery Blade]

What rubbish ,by your reckoning Monty would have more ability than Macdonald.
Could you name me any of these replacements, under 31 with experience.

Where did that come from? Why on earth would I reckon that Monty has more / had more ability than MacDonald - Is it another one of your theories???

 

[alcoblade]

Exactly .............. and the reason I see no advantage in a 3 yr deal, even if some club did want Doyle we have a contract and we can say NO (unusual for SUFC I know) jeez anyone would think he is a stand out player at this level (decent/good but not stand out good). Next season he might not be any good even at this level, should we get promoted he will certainly not be good enough.

It probably does't come across on the radio, but our standout performer (McDonald) clearly flourishes at his side.

Doyle was rubbish in the championship, as were several other players who turned it around last season. There's good reason to believe he could flourish in a Wilson side in the championship.

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[sitwell]

Well Monty is far fitter than Macdonald so he must be of a better ability to get in that condition. Just as ridiculous as your theory.

Are you checking player manager or soccerbase for your replacement ?

 

[oldblade]

Exactly .............. and the reason I see no advantage in a 3 yr deal, even if some club did want Doyle we have a contract and we can say NO (unusual for SUFC I know) jeez anyone would think he is a stand out player at this level (decent/good but not stand out good). Next season he might not be any good even at this level, should we get promoted he will certainly not be good enough.

There is no certainty at all about him not being good enough if we get promoted. He was poor in the last half of the relegation season, but was playing in a side that had no heart or direction. We now have a different manager, appear well organised and have been playing much better even allowing for the fact we are in a lower division.

You act as though the club has committed some dreadful crime by renegotiating his contract and completely over react towards anyone who dares to suggest it really might not be so bad a deal. I'm glad you're not in a position of authority. Noone would be allowed to say anything.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm glad you're not in a position of authority. Noone would be allowed to say anything.

He's in the position of his armchair. Every week.



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[metalblade]

You act as though the club has committed some dreadful crime by renegotiating his contract and completely over react towards anyone who dares to suggest it really might not be so bad a deal. I'm glad you're not in a position of authority. Noone would be allowed to say anything.

No need for you to worry then, you just waffle on ad infinitum but don't really say anything

 

[stannyblade]

If more of the stay away fans turned up to games then maybe just maybe we would be able to get better younger players in. Doyle in the last 2 home games has shown what he brings to the team and how much we need him. If it is reduced terms then I can only see it as a good thing.

 

[Revolution]

If more of the stay away fans turned up to games then maybe just maybe we would be able to get better younger players in.

If we hadn't sold off the better younger players in the first place we would most likely be in a higher division and there would be less stay away fans...

 

[oldblade]

No need for you to worry then, you just waffle on ad infinitum but don't really say anything

As I said, try reading a few posts and digesting them for a change. You really just can't stand anyone disagreeing with the law according to St Metalblade the last of the great dictators can you.

 

[super_pig]

a 'reight' storm in a thimble

 

[metalblade]

As I said, try reading a few posts and digesting them for a change. You really just can't stand anyone disagreeing with the law according to St Metalblade the last of the great dictators can you.

Keep it up lets see if you can bore everyone into submission

 

[Fiery Blade]

Well Monty is far fitter than Macdonald so he must be of a better ability to get in that condition. Just as ridiculous as your theory.

Are you checking player manager or soccerbase for your replacement ?

Does it come naturally or have you had to work at it?

 

[chipsncake]

I find it amazing anyone could could argue that giving Doyle a 3 year contract is in any way a good idea. However its all about opinions and Wilson obviously rates Doyle high enough to feel that wherever we are in 3 years time he will still be an asset. Look at Wilson's dealings in the transfer market so far and it is apparent that he couldn't spot a decent player if one fell from the heavens and landed on his head, and that is not only the crux of this arguement but also one of the main reasons we are not achieving our potential in a very very poor division.

 

[bartman]

Look at Wilson's dealings in the transfer market so far and it is apparent that he couldn't spot a decent player if one fell from the heavens and landed on his head,

Flynn,McMahon,McDonald,Blackman,LJF(in some fans' opinion),Hill(in some fans' opinion), along with loan signings Philiips,Clarke,Cofe,Hoskins(unfortunately he got injured) and Gallagher would suggest the complete opposite.

No manager gets 100% of his signings right but i would suggest that,based on the budget he has had,his transfer record is not too bad

But then that doesn't suit your 'Wilson out' agenda which you alluded to in another thread yesterday so I am sure you will now list players that Wilson has brought in who you don;t rate

 

[stannyblade]

Flynn,McMahon,McDonald,Blackman,LJF(in some fans' opinion),Hill(in some fans' opinion), along with loan signings Philiips,Clarke,Cofe,Hoskins(unfortunately he got injured) and Gallagher would suggest the complete opposite.

No manager gets 100% of his signings right but i would suggest that,based on the budget he has had,his transfer record is not too bad

But then that doesn't suit your 'Wilson out' agenda which you alluded to in another thread yesterday so I am sure you will now list players that Wilson has brought in who you don;t rate

probably all of the above except McDonald and Phillips. (not me by the way)

 

[metalblade]

Flynn,McMahon,McDonald,Blackman,LJF(in some fans' opinion),Hill(in some fans' opinion), along with loan signings Philiips,Clarke,Cofe,Hoskins(unfortunately he got injured) and Gallagher would suggest the complete opposite.

No manager gets 100% of his signings right but i would suggest that,based on the budget he has had,his transfer record is not too bad

But then that doesn't suit your 'Wilson out' agenda which you alluded to in another thread yesterday so I am sure you will now list players that Wilson has brought in who you don;t rate

I tend to agree with you on the Wilson signings ............... not bad considering we can't afford a bag of nuts at the moment, the thing is half of those named are only here on loan or have been here on loan. The players we have signed as our players mostly have a question mark against their names, McDonald came after injuries when no other club would take the risk others like Westlake and Miller come after losing their way at Walsall and Crewe respectively all of them could be called risky signings but that is where we are as a club, 5 years ago only a madman would have thought we would need to loan players from Brighton and Blackpool. Just goes to show how far we have fallen in such a short space of time and all the while some are like the 3 wise monkeys, hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil when it comes to Sheff Utd.

 

[oldblade]

I tend to agree with you on the Wilson signings ............... not bad considering we can't afford a bag of nuts at the moment, the thing is half of those named are only here on loan or have been here on loan. The players we have signed as our players mostly have a question mark against their names, McDonald came after injuries when no other club would take the risk others like Westlake and Miller come after losing their way at Walsall and Crewe respectively all of them could be called risky signings but that is where we are as a club, 5 years ago only a madman would have thought we would need to loan players from Brighton and Blackpool. Just goes to show how far we have fallen in such a short space of time and all the while some are like the 3 wise monkeys, hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil when it comes to Sheff Utd.

Metalblade. Why do you have to spoil your posts? The whole of that was reasonable and well put right up to the completely unnecessary last sentence. And that sentence once again proves you don't actually read the posts that you make adverse comments about.