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The currently planned KOP extension should feature railed seating which can be amended to safe standing if and when the legislation passes to allow it.
It would at that point lose one of its defining characteristics making it a kop. Single tier is a must in my view. While preparing it for a potential safe standing future would be nice, all I really want is a single-tier stand:
– without columns
– that’s easy to get in and out of
– where you can actually see what’s happening in the goalmouth nearest the stand
Spurs are having a single-tiered kop on the new ground. Looks very impressive.
I'm not sure if this has been said before, but take a look at Lens stadium in France. They have what you're suggesting, but less curvy.Good morning after the night before all.
Last night, I sat high in the BLUT - the best seats in the house, I noticed a phenomenon opposite on the Kop. It allows me to illustrate my sketch idea for a modification of the design of any extension to the Kop that might satisfy both parties?
The problem is this .....
1. Kop sitters understand that the seats are uncomfortably close together and that the rake of the terraces is too shallow to afford a good view of the pitch.
2. The owners of SUFC don't want to demolish the existing hill but want to be able to increase it's seating capacity in the long term.
I took this photograph last night ....
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if you can see, the spectators nearest to the back and the sides stood up all match so that they could see the action comfortably, the line of the standers formed a beautiful arc, which I trace out in this next image ....
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this is why in stadium design you see the tops of the stands curved btw (Arsenal, Wembley etc.etc.)
In effect, then, the crowd yourselves made a stand that has a step about 1.7m high in an arc halfway up. So THAT is how you model the shape of an extension to it.
It ends up a bit like this sketch .....
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I would tweak it a bit but basically the crowd itself has shown the architects and Kevinwhat shape the new extension should have. We leave the middle arched section of the Kop as it is .... the spectators show that they are 'happy' with it - we build the kop 1.5 to 2m higher around the curve but using cheap STRAIGHT terracing (kicked up at a slightly steeper pitch for a better view possibly) and extend at the back.
This is a compromise between 'our' desires for a more comfortable stand AND the scheme that has won planning approval .... it would be a minor amendment to that scheme and I believe might keep EVERYONE happy at a minor extra cost .... the walkways would remain the same with a staircase at the point of the step. It even echoes the old 'canyon' across the old standing kop, beloved of us old boys - because it gave us a better view ........
Ladies and Gentlemen, I move ...... I'll do a better sketch if anyone is interested?
Slightly off topic but if new executive facilities are incorporated into a new South Stand tier, I wonder if it might be possible to replace the JSS executive boxes with seating. There are currently just 200 seats up there (I think) - two rows of 5 outdoor seats for each of the 20 boxes. If all the boxes were removed they could probably be replaced with at least four more rows of seats above, giving the JSS upper a capacity of around 1000.
The capacity increase isn't great but the seats could still be sold as premium - the view is great from up there and the dining and hospitality facilities could be retained. The stand would look far more impressive with a proper second tier
What happened to families who’s kids grew up? Do they still sit there are we’re they forced to move. I don’t see how that stand can ever sell out because many seats will be single seats between two groups of families and most people won’t want to attend/sit on their own, not to mention the club won’t sell to single people anyway.No point, you have to take a kid with you to go in that stand, even if there are only single seats available.![]()
What happened to families who’s kids grew up? Do they still sit there are we’re they forced to move. I don’t see how that stand can ever sell out because many seats will be single seats between two groups of families and most people won’t want to attend/sit on their own, not to mention the club won’t sell to single people anyway.
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Put a bit of arabic in a post and u have to work backwards ...... I just had a look at Lens and that isn't what I intend ..... I am now making a little model in my computer and I want to make the higher crescent shaped piece just high enough to see the pitch over the heads of those in front. I've actually drawn the step up just 500mm (20") higher at the moment, which more or less constitutes repair work rather than new construction (which niceity may mean the difference between having to meet new building regs. requirements and not doing which could be important) .
I share the view that we should have a single tiered kop where everyone in the crowd feels included with everyone else (and yes, I know what it feels like in the extreme front left corner of the kop where it's like you're not really inside the ground yet) what I am working on is a small step no where near as high as that at Lens ..... possibly highest at the centre of the stand, which is a product of geometry if the new terraces are at a steeper rake to the those that are kept as they are in the front part of the stand.
Thanks for drawing my attention to the Lens but I hope you won't subject my sketch drawings to microscopic levels of scrutiny......
Slightly off topic but if new executive facilities are incorporated into a new South Stand tier, I wonder if it might be possible to replace the JSS executive boxes with seating. There are currently just 200 seats up there (I think) - two rows of 5 outdoor seats for each of the 20 boxes. If all the boxes were removed they could probably be replaced with at least four more rows of seats above, giving the JSS upper a capacity of around 1000.
The capacity increase isn't great but the seats could still be sold as premium - the view is great from up there and the dining and hospitality facilities could be retained. The stand would look far more impressive with a proper second tier
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