Outgoing? David Brooks

[Pinchy]

When we win the Premiership by 5 clear points in 3 years time, I wonder who the big clubs will be that 'come a calling' to raid our academy that summer?

I bet it's one of those greasy Spanish bastards or pizza munching Italian chuffs. Either way, you can bet they'll still be a big club come calling.

That's how it is. There are maybe four or five clubs, at most, in the world who are not vulnerable to losing their best players. After that it's a pyramid. The important thing is that our club moves up that pyramid. It can be done without David Brooks, just as we managed without DCL last season, and may have to be.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

There's always the possibility that the club knows they have to give the lad a prospect of championship football to persuade him staying here is in his best interests long term . I know it's hard sometimes but not everything at SUFC has to have negative connotations- wow did I just say that or merely think it?

 

[Grizzly blade]

Well that's five minutes of my life I won't get back having read that load of drivel.

I often find myself repeating the same over and over but it applies here too.

We have a manager who is very honest, who knows that being open and honest with the fans is the right way, and makes statements to the press and fans about players and situations at the club...yet we STILL have folk spouting about the past.
Wilder has stated they have cancelled the loan...as is their right, to have a look at him following his performance in Toulon. It also mentions that we may look to use him in the squad, but if not he will go back to chezzy.

So bearing in mind what the manager has said, and the fact he is NO puppet....how have some deduced he's going to Everton for a million?
Even ignoring the managers comments, this came about during a chat with hoyland where he didn't even bring it up, and the conversation has been taken out of context.
On top of that, IF there were interest, and I'm sure there are a few clubs having a look following the exposure he's made for himself recently, who's to say it will be Everton and a million? after all as some others point out he's contracted for 3 more years and we are not so desperate for a mere million unlike last season.

It's panic, unnecessary and some of you need to get a grip.
If this lad is offered premier league money he's going to want it. End of. He would need to hope someone met a fee too of course, and that would be up to the manager to settle on. Perhaps Wilder realises that his value will rocket after a few championship games and so plans to play him a little to do just that.

Football...a business like no other.

 

[TONY_TONY_AGANA]

If he goes, he goes. I just hope we play hardball with whoever is interested. Imagine a Premier League team trying to buy a Derby, Leeds or Bristol City kid who just so happened to have been Toulon player of the Tournament? I'm sure most clubs wouldn't sell for less than 5 million.

 

[Norderner]

Brooks is the best kid we've ever had. Kudos to Mr Clough. If he goes this close season, he should go for £7m down minimum, with £5m in add ons, or fuck em off and keep him. Proper footballer.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Brooks is the best kid we've ever had. Kudos to Mr Clough. If he goes this close season, he should go for £7m down minimum, with £5m in add ons, or fuck em off and keep him. Proper footballer.

Really? Best kid?
That's a bold and broad statement given we have produced an England Full back on the brink of £40m transfer....a likely England centre half now he's left Hull for £16m...that's just two!
Perhaps he's the best midfield player we have brought through, however let's not forget he was picked up from Man City.

As for Clough....I'm one of those who realises he did sign some very good players against the wishes of the boards of that time. Certainly upset folk when he was getting kids in for the academy...

 

[Norderner]

Really? Best kid?
That's a bold and broad statement given we have produced an England Full back on the brink of £40m transfer....a likely England centre half now he's left Hull for £16m...that's just two!
Perhaps he's the best midfield player we have brought through, however let's not forget he was picked up from Man City.

As for Clough....I'm one of those who realises he did sign some very good players against the wishes of the boards of that time. Certainly upset folk when he was getting kids in for the academy...

Correct! Should have said best creative midfield player.

 

[Houso]

He's a strong prospect that's all as it stands.

I'm not for one minute advocating we should sell him, but I suspect the vast majority of hand-wringing in this thread is from people who haven't seen him play more than once or twice. And certainly haven't at a particularly testing level.

 

[I should coco]

The article says Everton 'weigh up' a bid but I bet at least half the Prem will have had a look.

If several big clubs think he is a real prospect then we have no chance of keeping him but we should at least get a decent price. Obviously I'd prefer he stays and plays, but CW may not trust him enough to start with him and it may only be cameo roles for the first part of the season.

It all depends on the lad and his family/agent. If he can see he is better here getting some game time and developing further then he can still potentially make the move to the Prem at a higher level later. If his agent is a greedy pound sign wanker, or Mark Rankine, then he'll already be sat in a taxi outside Everton's training ground.

People might not like it, but McCabe was right when he talked about 'heads being turned'. Once a kid wants out to a bigger club and a salary 10-20 times more than he currently gets, then all we can do is try to get the best deal for SUFC. That is how football is these days, the big clubs rule and the lesser ones have to lump it.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Let's be right here....if it were your lad what would you want him to do.

I work very hard for an above average income as does the wife. We have struggled over the years to provide everything for the kids to give them the best chance in life. We don't have a huge house, flash cars, holidays every year, luxury goods....we pay our taxes and get on with it.

If my lad was at United, and let's be right is probably on about minimum wage or just above say 400 quid a week like Brooks, then all of a sudden he has someone offering him £10k a week for at least 4 years......£2m pounds....what would you advise? It would take me and the missus 20 years to earn that!

I would be saying off you pop son and making sure he sorted his finances so that he can enjoy a life where struggling to get past basic living is the norm even if he didn't earn another penny from football.

 

[Balham]

Jamie Hoyland was recently on Alan Biggs show, talking about DCL, and Biggs brought up Brooks, doing an agents job.

Everton don`t produce many of their own.

Hoyland is chief scout, his job goes like this.

Wait for International squads announced
See who is in outside the Premiership.
Watch them once.
Buy them.
Eat pie.

They also signed Qpr kid Josh Bowler yesterday, its so much easier than developing your own.

Not sure I agree with you on that: Everton's record of producing their own is as good as most Premier League sides - Tom Davies, Matthew Pennington and Ross Barkley all made multiple appearances last season. They're also an attractive proposition for any young player outside the PL as they give the players they buy first team opportunities - such as John Stones, Mason Holgate, Dom Calvert-Lewin and Ademola Lookman.

All that said I would hope that United are in a position to dictate the terms of any potential sale. I'm fed up of us selling at the lower end of the market.

 

[Sirius]

There's always the possibility that the club knows they have to give the lad a prospect of championship football to persuade him staying here is in his best interests long term . I know it's hard sometimes but not everything at SUFC has to have negative connotations- wow did I just say that or merely think it?

There's always the possibility that the club knows they have to give the lad a prospect of championship football to persuade him staying here is in his best interests long term . I know it's hard sometimes but not everything at SUFC has to have negative connotations- wow did I just say that or merely think it?

He's a strong prospect that's all as it stands.

I'm not for one minute advocating we should sell him, but I suspect the vast majority of hand-wringing in this thread is from people who haven't seen him play more than once or twice. And certainly haven't at a particularly testing level.

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Someone wiser than me said that '. If thy're good enough they are old enough'. If memory serves, Jags was only 19 when he played his first game for us. Not for one minute am I suggesting that we should gerumallin but may be Brooksie is as good as Jags was when he debuted. Perhaps we should find out before we throw him out with the chip paper

 

[GrayBlade]

That's how it is. There are maybe four or five clubs, at most, in the world who are not vulnerable to losing their best players. After that it's a pyramid. The important thing is that our club moves up that pyramid. It can be done without David Brooks, just as we managed without DCL last season, and may have to be.

My comments were a bit tonge in cheek mate, I know the way it works. What I would say is that it'd be nice to get a season or two out of our exceptional players before we sell them. I'm not sure if because we don't want to take the risk of them fading and their value falling like maybe Reed, because surely it'd only go up if they did well in the leagues?

Either way, I'll try not to get too enthused about an 'exciting young player' coming through in future. We've got a great academy but basically, it seems that the only players we'll see much of until we're up there are the ones no 'big' club wants, even through we do see quality young players playing for other teams who aren't always on loan.

 

[Treeton Blade]

Not sure I agree with you on that: Everton's record of producing their own is as good as most Premier League sides - Tom Davies, Matthew Pennington and Ross Barkley all made multiple appearances last season. They're also an attractive proposition for any young player outside the PL as they give the players they buy first team opportunities - such as John Stones, Mason Holgate, Dom Calvert-Lewin and Ademola Lookman.

All that said I would hope that United are in a position to dictate the terms of any potential sale. I'm fed up of us selling at the lower end of the market.

The last 4 all poached from other clubs, exactly the point I am making.

Agree, they are THE club for giving young uns a chance, DCL has played more for them, than he would have for us.
Hard for them to compete with the big guns in the Premiership, so I guess this is their blueprint.

Barkley is the exception, Davies looks like he has a chance, Pennington will struggle to maintain a career at that level IMO.

That`s not many since Academies began 15-16 years ago.

 

[BushBlade]

The last 4 all poached from other clubs, exactly the point I am making.

Agree, they are THE club for giving young uns a chance, DCL has played more for them, than he would have for us.
Hard for them to compete with the big guns in the Premiership, so I guess this is their blueprint.

Barkley is the exception, Davies looks like he has a chance, Pennington will struggle to maintain a career at that level IMO.

That`s not many since Academies began 15-16 years ago.

Jack Rodwell? Leon Osman?

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

CW just said either involved in our 1st team squad or off to Chessie on loan !!

 

[Chief_Froley]



MONEY.

 

[Champagneblade]

In this case the answer should be no deal.

He is only going to appreciate in value by signing for Chesterfield and tearing up league teo like he will do or surprising many in cameos with us.

I didn't think DCL was a mistake. Still don't. We've persevered with Brooks' growth spurt and we should be the ones to teap the benefit.

We are a Championship club now. We don't need to roll over and have our belly tickled anymore.

Unless it's obscene like 10m the the answer should be thanks but fuck off!

 

[Balham]

Jack Rodwell? Leon Osman?

Wayne Rooney?!

The last 4 all poached from other clubs, exactly the point I am making.

Agree, they are THE club for giving young uns a chance, DCL has played more for them, than he would have for us.
Hard for them to compete with the big guns in the Premiership, so I guess this is their blueprint.

Barkley is the exception, Davies looks like he has a chance, Pennington will struggle to maintain a career at that level IMO.

That`s not many since Academies began 15-16 years ago.

It's not about what's happened since the Academy system was introduced though I respect your point. For me, it's about what they've been doing over the last 3-5 years which seems to be concentrating on the best youngsters they've brought through and complementing them with the best from outside the PL.

Agree on the three I named btw: I'm not expecting them to all become England regulars but it was in response to you saying they didn't bring their own though

FWIW: Pennington might be a good target for us if the price was right.

 

[BushBlade]

Wayne Rooney?!



It's not about what's happened since the Academy system was introduced though I respect your point. For me, it's about what they've been doing over the last 3-5 years which seems to be concentrating on the best youngsters they've brought through and complementing them with the best from outside the PL.

Agree on the three I named btw: I'm not expecting them to all become England regulars but it was in response to you saying they didn't bring their own though

FWIW: Pennington might be a good target for us if the price was right.

I was thinking of the last fifteen or so years, as per the post I was replying to. I thought Rooney was just before that. (although it seems like last year when he made his debut, I'm getting old).

 

[ThatJa]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...h-bid-sheffield-united-teenager-david-brooks/

 

[Caveblade]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...h-bid-sheffield-united-teenager-david-brooks/

If Everton are considering a bid, tell them to get lost unless it starts at £5 mill plus add one. Let's stop the robbing of our talent by Premier League clubs.

The hoovering up of talent by the premier league is a disgrace, Chelsea have 80 players out on loan. It's a shame the FA are not interested in levelling playing fields, there should be a max number put on squad sizes and loans out by clubs.

 

[Slim Man]

We'll never live it down if we sell him to Everton on the cheap after Wednesday told them to get fucked when they came after Hirst.

 

[itsinyerblood]

We'll never live it down if we sell him to Everton on the cheap after Wednesday told them to get fucked when they came after Hirst.

We would danny, we're shameless like that.

What I do think though is that we need to think about the £11 mil Everton spunked on the young Charlton player, Lookman. Belonging to the Championship gives us a certain sheen that being in Division 1 never had, so something that matches our view of Brooks value would be more realistic I think you'd find.

 

[Gimli]

I wish people would stop quoting that telegraph article as if it's definitely true - how many bollocks articles have been written about players in the past? This does not mean he will be sold.

 

[wizadry]

I don't think many would complain at selling him so long as we got a good fee.

I'm not saying sell him because he's a very exciting player and I thought he could've got some playing time towards the end of the season but could you imagine what we could do with the £5m? from selling him, the Maguire sell on money, the possible Walker sell on money and the money already available?

We could get players like Reach and Rhodes?

Let's keep Brooks then.

 

[Barney]

I have no doubt in my mind that he will be sold, and for nowhere near his value.

It is the perfect time to do it while fans don't think so bad of Uncle McCabe.

 

[BushBlade]

I have no doubt in my mind that he will be sold, and for nowhere near his value.

It is the perfect time to do it while fans don't think so bad of Uncle McCabe.

I can guarantee that whatever we sell him for, it won't be enough. If we get £10m + 20% sell on clause someone will say it should have been £12m + 25%.

 

[Barney]

I can guarantee that whatever we sell him for, it won't be enough. If we get £10m + 20% sell on clause someone will say it should have been £12m + 25%.

I agree there will always be some who are never happy. Personally I would demand they pay up £10m or fuck off but realistically I would be relatively happy with anything over £5m. That is pennies for a lot of Prem clubs nowadays.

 

[Pinchy]

Really? Best kid?
That's a bold and broad statement given we have produced an England Full back on the brink of £40m transfer....a likely England centre half now he's left Hull for £16m...that's just two!
Perhaps he's the best midfield player we have brought through, however let's not forget he was picked up from Man City.

As for Clough....I'm one of those who realises he did sign some very good players against the wishes of the boards of that time. Certainly upset folk when he was getting kids in for the academy...

Of course the detail in your second paragraph, together with lads as good as Brooks is said to be (I haven't seen him but larkymasher, who both loves and talks sense about young players, says he's not yet ready) is a complete justification of the Academy even if not one graduate ever kicks a ball for the Blades.

We all want them to come through and play for us of course; but you can't force it to happen. That way lies failure and relegation.

Realistically we have to back in the Prem before we can reject overtures for youngsters from that league, Even then, if the elite (and that certainly doesn't include Everton) come knocking...