Confirmed released list

[Grappler]

People liked Mongy cos he run around a lot, I've taken up running perhaps the same fans would like me centre mid.

Bit harsh that mate

 

[Sean Thornton]

Legally binding or otherwise?

It's not a contract if it's not legally binding is it?

I was wondering if MB oversaw this one as well.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It's not a contract if it's not legally binding is it?

I was wondering if MB oversaw this one as well.

Logic tells me that the option will have been formalised in January when the loan agreement was extended as I can't see it being formalised at the initial emergency loan when nobody had seen Hammond play for yonks, not that we saw anything to encourage us from October to the New Year.

An option could be by way of 'gentlemans' agreement' I suppose but I sense not in this case.

Does it matter? and re MB? What's done is done and we are on the receiving end of an expensive and unfortunate sequence of events as per usual.

 

[PokerBlade]

I am not going to even offer to drive him there. Make the twat walk

He couldn't even walk round the pitch, he's not getting himself to Doncaster.

 

[Bladezz]

Even if he was to leave to Doncaster his wages are reported £10k a week! Doncaster at a massive push would pay £2k of that.

Means we could be paying him £8k a week to be out of the building!!

These figures are all just guesses but what a mess this is. He could be taking up £400-500k of our reduced budget.

 

[sheffielder]

now don't run me out of town here, but is there a chance he could turn this around under a different type of football which wilder offers which is more Leicester than Adkins shite?

 

[Bladesman]

Anyway what was Clough saying around this time last year before he got the sack.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

now don't run me out of town here, but is there a chance he could turn this around under a different type of football which wilder offers which is more Leicester than Adkins shite?

Delighted that CW is here. But he's not JC.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Anybody given thought to what information, opinion, knowledge Wilder drew on to make all the decisions about each player?

Adkins whole team had left, we had no M.D., the Academy Manager had left, no Morgan-type around.

McCabe, Sharp, Deane, Binnion who else is left? Wilder said in interview he had not had chance to follow the team closely last season, did his mates, has he family still in the area, Edwards, Badger, Helmsley?

Whoever he turned to, I reckon he got it spot on. Maybe Flynn will be disappointed, maybe K.Wallace, Freeman. Maybe McNulty and Scougall will be surprised ( maybe disappointed?!), but in all the circumstances such a cull was absolutely spot on.

K.Wallace and Freeman have the chance to earn retention. All the rest are no-brainers actually.

 

[Woodwardfan]

The Hammond debacle has dominated the shock waves but actually the James Wallace contract is even more ridiculous.

When the lad arrived he had suffered serious injury periods in his career, it was known his career was threatened and yet we gave him a 3 year contract.

Why would we do that? Was there serious competition for his signature? He was arriving from Tranmere and had played 16 games the previous season, 19 and 18 the previous two seasons.

Irresponsible and negligent. Totally unnecessary. We had a budget and so many potential targets and other weaker areas in the squad anyway. Tossers.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Anyway what was Clough saying around this time last year before he got the sack.

That's just reminded me that we've had the odd occurrence of releasing our club captain two summers in a row – first time I can think we've done that.

 

[grafikhaus]

I'm guessing 30 appearances would have activated this deal, and that's exactly what he managed - 30 apps. in 33 matches (including his pathetic 45-minute 'cameo' v. Scunny). Not bad for a slow, old crock who was basically 'ever present'. We could all see how embarrassing he was, but Adkins attempted to mask it with guff like 'You don't see the work he does.'



If any of us pulled a stunt like this when the sack looked inevitable, we'd have our former employer after us. At least nobody can claim that Adkins was anything but a malign influence on us.

An option could be by way of 'gentlemans' agreement'

No wonder the cunt is hiding:

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The Hammond debacle has dominated the shock waves but actually the James Wallace contract is even more ridiculous.

When the lad arrived he had suffered serious injury periods in his career, it was known his career was threatened and yet we gave him a 3 year contract.

Why would we do that? Was there serious competition for his signature? He was arriving from Tranmere and had played 16 games the previous season, 19 and 18 the previous two seasons.

Irresponsible and negligent. Totally unnecessary. We had a budget and so many potential targets and other weaker areas in the squad anyway. Tossers.

With all the money involved with football , there is a dark side , of which it is hard to talk about on a forum without making unfounded accusations . Even at our low level in league 1 , is there alleged kick backs , sweetners , to sign certain players. I would not think so , but never say never.

We have signed some dross and tied the club in to weirded contracts for the wrong type of player . Must be a reason , so is it just gross incompetence . We have certainly spent the money for no real return for now or in the future.

UTB

 

[DronnieBlade]

Well done Tufty. You've made an excellent start. Just what was needed. Very pleased in particular that you haven't succumbed to any Bladey drivel about Kennedy and De Juve. Have another look at Paul Coutts though. He's a very good footballer in need of nothing more than an injection of enthusiasm. Oh and beware acting on your mates' advice as seems to be thought a good idea by some on here. We don't want management by anyone's mates thank you...least of all by the crude, parochial, Bladey Blade brigade. Anyway, I digress. More impressed, so far than I expected to be. I might well use that season ticket after all...

Very amused by the Hammond comments though. This from a group of fans who made Nick fucking useless article Montgomery, who was just as bad, and given an equally ridiculous contract extension by that equally fucking useless article SemiPro, a club legend.

Sometimes I despair; sometimes it's a wry smile.

Pinch.

Your ascertion as regards Coutts is bang on mate. We will need someone in the squad who can compliment the workers and provide a bit of quality when required. In a better balanced side, and asked to do what he does well rather than run up and down the line,Coutts would be an asset.

Your comparison of Monty and Hammond is less accurate. IMHO. Monty had a job to do and did it well. He is / was no Iniesta. Our record with him in the side was good, compared to when he was not. Hammond is just plain vanilla wank.

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

We will need someone in the squad who can compliment the workers.

Hopefully he'll be doing that via text and email from his new club.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

And right there is Adkins' parting gift, stuck with Hammond who is immediately transfer listed.

What a pair of thundercunts.

We did a very similar thing with McEveley (Clough) and Higginbotham (Wilson) before him.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Why sign on somewhere you are so universally, dare I say unanimously disliked??

I wondered how this thread had got to 22 pages. Then I saw that you had used the word “unanimously” in the first page and all became clear.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Why on earth would he do that...surely he knows that there's no love for him at the Lane...unless he's trying to hold the club to some sort of ransom

Providing himself some financial security and a better base for negotiations with any prospective new club?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Urgh, Clough said 2 years with an option of a third year. Looks like either Clough is either a liar or Wallace is an arse.

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/james-wallace.44351/page-7#post-950784

Looks like Wallace had the option a la Hammond.

He didn't even have to play games to activate his!

 

[1danewhitehouse]

At least the cunt Hammond's not going to be seen on the pitch again.

It's just off the pitch where he'll continue to hinder us. I hope to God it's not a generous contract.

And if appearances triggered this option, why on earth did the club allow Adkins to continue picking him?

The worrying thing is this was probably negotiated in either October or January when his stock was a little higher than it is now meaning the terms are likely decent for him.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

If Hammond really didn't want to be here, he'd not have taken his option up. Unbelievable we're stuck with him, and he knows the wages we've offered are far better than anything else he'll get from the Dog and Duck or wherever he'd end up, after the season he's had with us.

I don’t think he wants to be here but whilst ever he is, he’s guaranteed the amount of money we agreed to pay him which he probably won’t get elsewhere. Let’s say he’s on 10k per week for example. He can probably get a season long loan or a transfer to another club who might pay him £6k per week and we’ll have to fork out the other £4k because it’s better than keeping him on £10k.


He’s looked after himself financially at the expense of a club that doesn’t want him. Nigel Pearson managed to sneak him an extra year at Leicester before getting the boot and now he’s managed it here. He must have a bloody good agent. Over last year and this coming one he’ll probably earn £1-2 million from clubs who don’t want anything to do with him.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So, taking a step back and a deep breath, despite all McCabe has said about small budget, etc., is there something going on behind the scenes? Prince putting more money in? Or is Wilder going to fashion a team of free transfers and academy players? We might still be left with a lot of players on the books if no one comes in to buy the ones transfer listed.

I imagine that any incomings will be on smaller wages than the likes of Coutts, Baxter, Cuvelier, Flynn etc. I reckon we’ll bring about 5 players in and heavily supplement the squad with kids. Not a bad way to go if the 5 we bring in are the right ones.

 

[Booker4]

I don’t think he wants to be here but whilst ever he is, he’s guaranteed the amount of money we agreed to pay him which he probably won’t get elsewhere. Let’s say he’s on 10k per week for example. He can probably get a season long loan or a transfer to another club who might pay him £6k per week and we’ll have to fork out the other £4k because it’s better than keeping him on £10k.


He’s looked after himself financially at the expense of a club that doesn’t want him. Nigel Pearson managed to sneak him an extra year at Leicester before getting the boot and now he’s managed it here. He must have a bloody good agent. Over last year and this coming one he’ll probably earn £1-2 million from clubs who don’t want anything to do with him.

He did well for Leicester, according to their fans, but clearly his legs were gone by the time he came to us. Much as I don't like Hammond, if he'd been surrounded by pace and skill, he would have looked much better. That's still Adkins fault though because it was Adkins who gave almost no football to Scougall and Adkins who pared Coutts with Hammond. Can you get any slower! Well you can, because he played Basham in there too at times! Basham I hope is played at centre half next season. His lack of pace won't be exposed so much there and he is a decent player and gives his all, as we all know.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

From the previous two manager's signings.
Only one, ONE.
I would keep.

What a legacy they have left.

The first(ish) thing the new manager does, installs him as captain.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

He did well for Leicester, according to their fans, but clearly his legs were gone by the time he came to us. Much as I don't like Hammond, if he'd been surrounded by pace and skill, he would have looked much better. That's still Adkins fault though because it was Adkins who gave almost no football to Scougall and Adkins who pared Coutts with Hammond. Can you get any slower! Well you can, because he played Basham in there too at times! Basham I hope is played at centre half next season. His lack of pace won't be exposed so much there and he is a decent player and gives his all, as we all know.

I agree about having legs around him to make him look better. I think Adkins thought Hammond could help him get the dressing room behind him. Such a big squad, some of which had a strong allegiance to the previous manager, made it very difficult for Adkins to get his own dressing room spirit. I think Hammond was signed for that purpose as much as any footballing reason (but we did also need a Doyle replacement).

Wilder has been able to immediately rid the squad of 10 and is actively working to get rid of about another 5. What that means is that he can have a dressing room that is largely made up of players he wants there. That will improve his chances of succeeding immensely. He'll need a bit of backing to get the 5-6 players needed to go straight into the first team though.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

From the previous two manager's signings.
Only one, ONE.
I would keep.

What a legacy they have left.

The first(ish) thing the new manager does, installs him as captain.

Really? I would keep

Brayford
Basham
Adams
Done
Sharp

out of the previous 2 managers' signings. I wouldn't have been against keeping the Kieron's either but it seems attitude (Freeman) and injury (Wallace) might have seen an end to their blades careers.

I wouldn't have been against keeping Edgar or Baptiste either but think we might be shopping in a different market now.

 

[The Crab]

Really? I would keep

Brayford
Basham
Adams
Done
Sharp

out of the previous 2 managers' signings. I wouldn't have been against keeping the Kieron's either but it seems attitude (Freeman) and injury (Wallace) might have seen an end to their blades careers.

I wouldn't have been against keeping Edgar or Baptiste either but think we might be shopping in a different market now.

Agree there, Edgar might possibly be a shout, I'd place Baptiste in the Matt Phillips pile in so much that there was never a possibility of them staying, but that should the the sort of pool we'd be fishing in.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Really? I would keep

Brayford
Basham
Adams
Done
Sharp

out of the previous 2 managers' signings. I wouldn't have been against keeping the Kieron's either but it seems attitude (Freeman) and injury (Wallace) might have seen an end to their blades careers.

I wouldn't have been against keeping Edgar or Baptiste either but think we might be shopping in a different market now.

It might just be only me.
Apart from Billy, I feel the rest are only at BDTBL for the £sd. There might be more, but i'm not feeling it!
I'm associating the rest with "failure" ...
Holding off any ST on the basis of who the new manager recruits.
These last two seasons have been traumatic in the sense that in years and years, i've not been enjoying the football.
That's not "right" .. not for me anyway.
I hope that there's going to be one SUFC that's going to make start wanting to be at BDTBL , not just going out of habit.

 

[The Crab]

It might just be only me.
Apart from Billy, I feel the rest are only at BDTBL for the £sd. There might be more, but i'm not feeling it!
I'm associating the rest with "failure" ...
Holding off any ST on the basis of who the new manager recruits.
These last two seasons have been traumatic in the sense that in years and years, i've not been enjoying the football.
That's not "right" .. not for me anyway.
I hope that there's going to be one SUFC that's going to make start wanting to be at BDTBL , not just going out of habit.

I get what you are saying. Hopefully the ones that ARE just here for the money will take a second to rub together their few functioning braincells and see the correlation between decent performances and better rewards. Or perhaps they enjoy just being the richest players in League 1, in which case I'd be more than happy to see them fuck off.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It might just be only me.
Apart from Billy, I feel the rest are only at BDTBL for the £sd. There might be more, but i'm not feeling it!
I'm associating the rest with "failure" ...
Holding off any ST on the basis of who the new manager recruits.
These last two seasons have been traumatic in the sense that in years and years, i've not been enjoying the football.
That's not "right" .. not for me anyway.
I hope that there's going to be one SUFC that's going to make start wanting to be at BDTBL , not just going out of habit.

I can't help but agree with your overall sentiment about the squad as a whole. I just think that the few I've listed have something to offer and with the right characters coming in, could thrive and be assets that we might regret throwing away.