Chris Wilder and money

[Revolution]

The big money we've spent has been on players 23 and under. It's far too early to say whether or not they'll be good signings in the long run. Rhian Brewster is 20 and has long been considered one of the better forwards in Europe in his age group. If he reaches his potential, £20-odd million is fuck all. Personally, I think he's class and will score a shitload of goals, I just don't expect them to be this season. Berge clearly is a talent. Ramsdale is still only 22. Bogle is a 20 year old youth international with a high ceiling, and since he signed, Baldock has been one of our better players.

If we'd spent £20m+ 28-32 year olds, on big wages, then that would worry me more.

Personally, i think that the signing of exclusively young relatively inexperienced players is part of the problem. No leaders on the field. Berge and Ramsdale look frightened, the rest look overmatched.

 

[BanderSerge]

He's a Sheffielder, and a United fan

So he is automatically programmed to reject quality, style and creativity

He is automatically programmed to believe that these type of players are all troublemakers

He is automatically programmed to believe that 5 players on £20,000 a week is better than one player on £100,000 a week.

He is automatically programmed to want, grit, determination, graft, but overlook quality.

His Sheffieldness will always mean that his idea of a bargain will always be strange.

My other half does it regularly, "Oh look at these packets of dashboard ashtrays for a 1973 Ford Cortina, they were only a quid, right bargain so I got 10 of them"

You can't use the same logic when buying footballers that you use when walking around poundland

But that's the way it will always be, no matter who's in charge.

So Wilders the best man for the job, nobody else can manage the special needs club, they don't understand it

Right little ray of sunshine, you are! 2,500 Moan, moan, f#cking moans! Is it possible to show me where you’ve written one positive post about us? Your going off all bitter like your Mrs has run off and left you for Godfrey Baguma FFS.

 

[Chilttheblade]

Alert ........................ where were all these new posters when we were pushing for Europe?

Have you noticed there is an epidemic around and stuff like lock down and winter and stuff?
Anyway that's my excuse
Probably not the only one either
Hope it's the correct emoji?

 

[blade67]

I think Chris is great the issue for me is how badly we have spent money since arriving in the prem. Would you trust him with 40 million if and a big if should that be available in January. When previous players like Lennord, Holmes, Evans he got shut the difference is they didn't cost millions and millions.

I think he won't get much in Jan. 2 loans to cover injuries and the most glaring weaknesses.

He's spent a lot on potential and it's not payed off this year. Perhaps the board are bought into that strategy. It's not the worst plan ever, even though it's depressing at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Hello Stegosaurus here,

If Chris Wilder was a wife, he'd be the sort of wife who comes home every day having spent 30 quid on a Love Live Laugh wall decoration, or a Keep Calm and Love Kittens pillow or other assorted garbage.

If Stegosaurus was a wife, she'd be under the patio by now.

 

[BanderSerge]

Signing 2 England u21 internationals and 22 year old Berge on £35/40,000 a week or 38 year old foster and crock Wilson on £100,000 a week? No brainer

 

[JackSUFC]

I don’t trust us going over seas

It works for every other team in the division. Apart from Burnley of course who are very much Brexit Britain like ourselves.

With a proper, modern scouting infrastructure and recruitment department, there is better value for money to be had from shopping abroad.

You can’t tell me there wasn’t a better, cheaper alternative to Ramsdale abroad. Newcastle signed Dubravka for £4.5m!

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

CW has been trying to sign young players to develop for the future, hoping that in the meantime we can maintain Premier League status.

Unsurprisingly, especially with injuries to key players, this inexperience has resulted in poor results, but in most matches competitive performances.

I still believe a couple of wins will revitalise the team and give us a chance of survival. Some of the players we are disappointed with at the moment we may then see in a different light.

Keep the faith and keep Wilder.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

The Ramsdale point stands as foster was getable but the club wanted a long term answer there it’s swings and roundabouts really but your point certainly has merit.

Lowe and Bogle are at this stage in their development cover players in positions we needed cover and circa 4 million is incredibly cheap by prem standards but our going rate for cover players see Osborn and Robinson. However I accept that 8 mill wasn’t evenly divided between the two.

Unfortunately the Watkins instead of McBurnie point doesn’t hold water. I’m not disputing it would’ve been the superior deal to make as Watkins definitely looks a very good player at this level. The problem comes in holding this up as a possibility when it simply wasn’t one Brentford had sold maupay that summer for a ridiculous profit meaning they had no need to sell Watkins and in fact publicly said they had done their business and Watkins wasn’t for sale. Brentford have a clearly defined business plan and the plan was to sell Watkins this summer so when they said he wasn’t for sale he wasn’t for sale.

Yes completely agree inc Watkins. Couldn’t really think back to last year at who was/ wasn’t available apart from the obvious McBurnie/ Maupay saga

 

[Yogi]

Yes completely agree inc Watkins. Couldn’t really think back to last year at who was/ wasn’t available apart from the obvious McBurnie/ Maupay saga

Yeah realistically that yeah there were two stand out champ strikers available we couldn’t get maupay as he wanted to stay on the south coast and we got the other one who was available in McBurnie. This year there was only one stand out champ striker in Watkins and we couldn’t compete. Brewster was showing after jan that he would’ve been that player had he been there all year so we swooped. This year I’m not sure there is a standout champ striker in that same way the championship has probably been spoiled in that respect in the past few years.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Did you see Zivkovic and Restos who we signed from overseas. Can maybe add Berge into that too. We at least sign top championship end players with our policy.

I don’t trust us going over seas

Can't write 'em off on basis of a couple of players Bladezz, other teams don't seem to have a problem.

 

[S40BLADE]

With state of replies in here may as well not change a single thing ever apparently our narrowminded one dimensional recruitment is fine.

 

[BushBlade]

With state of replies in here may as well not change a single thing ever apparently our narrowminded one dimensional recruitment is fine.

I’ve read the thread again and I can’t find one post where people have said it’s been good. A few posters have discussed what has caused it to be so shit but not one poster has said they’re happy with the situation.

 

[S40BLADE]

I’ve read the thread again and I can’t find one post where people have said it’s been good. A few posters have discussed what has caused it to be so shit but not one poster has said they’re happy with the situation.

If people think any team will do anything ever in this divsion by not “trusting us going overseas” they are in for a suprise.

 

[Yogi]

With state of replies in here may as well not change a single thing ever apparently our narrowminded one dimensional recruitment is fine.

I’ve defended our recruitment simple based on the restrictions we face that doesn’t mean I don’t think it can be improved on. I agree with the sentiments of those who are critical of it based on how it stacks up against other prem teams. The issue is that we as a club can’t just click our fingers and acquire a functioning European scouting network. Scouting is obviously based on opinions and if you’re going to pull the trigger on a player you have to trust the opinion of the person recommending them.

The way I see it there are 3 approaches to international scouting. The first is a fairly scatter gun approach based on players output at their existing club I think certain clubs in the Prem do take this approach Newcastle for one. The issue is the hit rate on this is fairly low because you’re making a big assumption that that player can recreate that output in any situation regardless of the supporting factors see joelinton.

The second and quickest way is to appoint a staff who come from a diverse range of countries and have played in various European leagues and therefore have contacts and people whose opinions they trust in those divisions unfortunately for us our staff is exclusively made up of people from the UK who’s playing careers have been completely domestic. And our record of signing domestic players really isn’t bad.

The third is to attempt to build relationships with clubs and individuals in markets you think you can exploit starting with smaller transfers first to build trust and see if your opinion of the player is the same as the contact once you have the player. This method has really had great results for certain clubs Brentford being one but they are now over a decade into this process and it’s easy to forget there initial success was built on identifying domestic players. Another example is Norwich and Huddersfield where Stuart Webber spent over a decade building relationships in Germany. This seems to be the method we’re following with admittedly mixed results verrips looks to be a flop and Coulibaly is showing promising signs of being a success with Berge being debatable but I do rate him.

 

[BushBlade]

If people think any team will do anything ever in this divsion by not “trusting us going overseas” they are in for a suprise.

Well you’re clearly referring to a specific poster and all I can say is “no comment”

 

[Kev Gee]

Question - Could we have gotten more value by targeting players from France, Spain, Germany, Belgium etc?

And the argument that these players will need time to apapt to the PL won't wash either as players moving up from the Championship also need time to adapt.

Were something like the 5th biggest spenders in the division according to Prince Abdullah.

The money spent Vs the payback has been horrific and if I was Abdullah I would be furious that it has seemingly been wasted.

 

[Stegosaurus]

A player we should have gone for is Sheldon Baptiste who was at Oxford. Brentford snapped up for just over 2 million--I guarantee they'll up selling him for around the 10 million + mark. Tarique Fosu too, they signed for just over 700k--he looks a very good player.

Edit: Forgot to say Hello, I'm Stegosaurus

 

[Yogi]

Question - Could we have gotten more value by targeting players from France, Spain, Germany, Belgium etc?

And the argument that these players will need time to apapt to the PL won't wash either as players moving up from the Championship also need time to adapt.

Were something like the 5th biggest spenders in the division according to Prince Abdullah.

The money spent Vs the payback has been horrific and if I was Abdullah I would be furious that it has seemingly been wasted.

The short answer is yes theoretically we could but other than looking at the statistical output of those players on a spreadsheet we have no real means of identifying suitable players in those markets. We have no way of assessing the other measurables which go into making a successful player what’re they like in training do the have massive character concerns etc.

 

[ancientblade]

i really hope we can keep hold of mousset and brewster i think they will get 20 plus each in the championship if we go down which looks increasingly likely plus a couple more midfielders brought in i think we can come straight back up the championship is a poor league just now

 

[United Aren't Back.]

I’m loving this “oh we have spent 100m”. You do realise this league is so much different to the last time we were in it. Every teams squads in the premier league Will be more the 100m. Why not mention that we have the lowest wage bill in the league. Our success has been so rapi we didn’t have chance to build a solid championship squad never mind a premier league squad. It has caught up with us simple as that.

We were in for players such as Cash Watkins etc but unfortunately we cannot compete with the wages.
Why not hunger these players in a couple of years? Not sure if you realise but we cannot get top established premier league players in the wages we pay that’s a fact. Let’s give the players a chance and stop writing them off.

So why is there no money?

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

A player we should have gone for is Sheldon Baptiste who was at Oxford. Brentford snapped up for just over 2 million--I guarantee they'll up selling him for around the 10 million + mark. Tarique Fosu too, they signed for just over 700k--he looks a very good player.

Edit: Forgot to say Hello, I'm Stegosaurus

Hello, Sportbilly here.

Please can you go into a dark room and toss yourself off over pictures of Siggi Jonsson?

 

[Flying Duck]

Personally, i think that the signing of exclusively young relatively inexperienced players is part of the problem. No leaders on the field. Berge and Ramsdale look frightened, the rest look overmatched.

This is bang on. I can see what CWAK + the board (?) were aiming at, but you just can't start a transition to a team in PL with the means that were available to us - the more so as our starting 11 was one or two injuries short from coming apart.

 

[Kev Gee]

This is bang on. I can see what CWAK + the board (?) were aiming at, but you just can't start a transition to a team in PL with the means that were available to us - the more so as our starting 11 was one or two injuries short from coming apart.

Surely this is were players such as Jack Rodwell should come into their own.

He's taylor made to come in and have that bit of EPL experience who can help us out on the field. (Which is were it matters)

Honestly what is the point in him being here?

Baffling tbh.

 

[Deleted member 23679]

Surely this is were players such as Jack Rodwell should come into their own.

He's taylor made to come in and have that bit of EPL experience who can help us out on the field. (Which is were it matters)

Honestly what is the point in him being here?

Baffling tbh.

When we went up from the Championship, our back up players included the likes of Marvin Johnson, Martin Cranie, Conor Washington and Richard Stearman. Good solid professionals but our second string didn't have much strength in depth and luckily we avoided any major injuries within our first eleven.

When we got promoted we didn't just need to strengthen the first eleven, we needed a huge upgrade on the second string as well.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Would you rather pay £18m for Ramsdale or spend £3/4m on Foster and get a couple of seasons from him. Wages wouldn't be too much different to Ramsdale, but frees up so much more cash to invest. He's conceded the second lowest in the championship so he's not past it just yet.

Brentford signed Ivan Toney for £6m can you genuinely say he's £18m less of a player than Brewster? He’s currently top scorer in the championship.

Lowe and Bogle £8m literally what was the point in that amount on them two? Lowe doesn’t look ready for the championship.

McBurnie instead of Watkins last season when we could have got him cheaper.

The list goes on. So yes, in my opinion we’ve overspent.

I love how you say sign Foster for 3/4m where do those figures come from? He had just signed a new contract at Watford why would Watford sell one of their best players for 3/4m?
Ivan Toney was playing in league one last season if we signed him and he bombed in the premier league people once again would be going mad! Brewster and MbBurnie have both done well in the championship so by your logic they are both good signings.

I could also go on and on for every name manetioned there would be a good reason why we couldn’t or didn’t sign them! Management isn’t easy you know and signing players certainly isn’t. There is a lot of luck and a lot of coaching for players from leagues below to make the step up.

 

[Stevo]

We need a recruitment committee.....

 

[Robboblade1889]

The big money we've spent has been on players 23 and under. It's far too early to say whether or not they'll be good signings in the long run. Rhian Brewster is 20 and has long been considered one of the better forwards in Europe in his age group. If he reaches his potential, £20-odd million is fuck all. Personally, I think he's class and will score a shitload of goals, I just don't expect them to be this season. Berge clearly is a talent. Ramsdale is still only 22. Bogle is a 20 year old youth international with a high ceiling, and since he signed, Baldock has been one of our better players.

If we'd spent £20m+ 28-32 year olds, on big wages, then that would worry me more.

Bang on the money!

 

[Robboblade1889]

I remember Wilder commenting that Clayton Donaldson was an Aldi signing. Not quality but did a job for us.

Feels like what we've done since is shop the middle aisle in the hope that we stumble across something new and cheap that turns out to be good when in reality most of it is utter tat while everyone else is going round John Lewis paying a bit extra but safe in the knowledge that they're getting a quality product.

So basically you are writing 20/21/22 year old players? You do realise we were only in league 1 4 years ago? Do you expect us to go up and suddenly start throwing cash about all over putting the club in peril if it goes wrong? Villa were extremely lucky to survive last season! What do you think relegation would have done to that club?

 

[Robboblade1889]

I’ve read the thread again and I can’t find one post where people have said it’s been good. A few posters have discussed what has caused it to be so shit but not one poster has said they’re happy with the situation.

The clique that is the Wilder out brigade keep spouting this drivel that people arguing points to why this had happened this season are “happy” about the situation. Nobody is happy about the situation but a lot of people can see past the results and see what’s going on.
The main argument this brigade have is “we spent over 100m” these posters still think we are playing in 1991!