Pre-Season 2024/25 Chesterfield v. Sheffield United - 20th July 2024

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If they are good enough they will play.
Fact.
Some fans, you appear to be one, seem to think our academy players are great, ready to just slot straight in.
yet several have hardly played a game in men’s football, and others that have hardly set their world alight! Fact is, there are kids like them at every team in our league, and believe it or not there will probably be far better at other clubs of comparable age.

Most top players go out on loan at some point. Some several times before deemed ready for their owning club. What makes ours so special?

Boils down to fans viewing through rose tinted glasses again.

I think you're just a tad off on my standpoint. Granted, I am certainly on the optimistic side when it comes to our youth. Will also concede that I am one that does not seem being loaned out as a prerequisite to playing for United's first team - it is certainly useful in some cases, particularly when we have several players in a similar position (the One/Marsh/Hackford/whoever else we might have up top coming through springs to mind) and given possible limited first team minutes we can't really help all the players. But I'm not one that thinks these players are plumbers or sparkys on an apprenticeship who can't graduate to our first XI until they have had the shit kicked out of them by someone playing for Salford because there are somehow different rules to football when it is played at under whatever age level as opposed to first team level, regardless of the division of said first team.

My general view is, if close enough, trial by fire - especially this season in the context of us being in a rebuild where we have just dropped down a division. What is the worst that can happen? Sure, you have to judge that the player in question is mentally ready to step in, but if you're backing them to do so, you would imagine they will be. If someone has had a run of games and they look a bit out of their depth - fine, you've learned that, and you can then make a strong argument to loan them in the JTW.

I'm also looking at things in a more macro perspective. I made a similar post earlier today, might have been earlier in this thread, might have been elsewhere, I don't recall, but there are two ways to run a club at our level without losing a boatload of money. One is to have an incredibly rich benefactor, which we obviously don't have, the other is to murder the transfer market - and the primary way to do that is to get in players cheap (e.g. Ndiaye) or through the academy, and to give them the chance to appreciate in value rapidly. Which only really happens if they are playing for our first team, not Doncaster's.
 

I think you're just a tad off on my standpoint. Granted, I am certainly on the optimistic side when it comes to our youth. Will also concede that I am one that does not seem being loaned out as a prerequisite to playing for United's first team - it is certainly useful in some cases, particularly when we have several players in a similar position (the One/Marsh/Hackford/whoever else we might have up top coming through springs to mind) and given possible limited first team minutes we can't really help all the players. But I'm not one that thinks these players are plumbers or sparkys on an apprenticeship who can't graduate to our first XI until they have had the shit kicked out of them by someone playing for Salford because there are somehow different rules to football when it is played at under whatever age level as opposed to first team level, regardless of the division of said first team.

My general view is, if close enough, trial by fire - especially this season in the context of us being in a rebuild where we have just dropped down a division. What is the worst that can happen? Sure, you have to judge that the player in question is mentally ready to step in, but if you're backing them to do so, you would imagine they will be. If someone has had a run of games and they look a bit out of their depth - fine, you've learned that, and you can then make a strong argument to loan them in the JTW.

I'm also looking at things in a more macro perspective. I made a similar post earlier today, might have been earlier in this thread, might have been elsewhere, I don't recall, but there are two ways to run a club at our level without losing a boatload of money. One is to have an incredibly rich benefactor, which we obviously don't have, the other is to murder the transfer market - and the primary way to do that is to get in players cheap (e.g. Ndiaye) or through the academy, and to give them the chance to appreciate in value rapidly. Which only really happens if they are playing for our first team, not Doncaster's.
To answer your question, the worst that can happen is getting relegated again.
 
I really should not need to preface every single post with "three sigma negative doom merchants need not reply"
It’s a serious point.

If we put out a lot of inexperienced young players that is a recipe for disaster.

There are nowhere near enough Championship standard players in the squad at the moment.
 
This sums it up perfectly for me.

A lot of u21’s from up and down the league pyramid will end up as non-league players at best, our fans seem to think that we have 10 players who are almost Championship level ready before kicking a ball in that league.
It doesn't need to be all or nothing with the youngsters - I reckon we'll have 5-6 in and around the first team. Some will be ready and some won't. Blaster, Brookes and Osula are good enough to start (or close to it). Curtis, Marsh, Sachdev, Freckleton, Peck, One and Faxon may be challenging for a place. I would expect some of those to go on loan and some to stay depending where we need cover and what we see as best for their development. Loans are great for some but aren't right for every youngster.
 
I don’t know who Alan is but I will assume from your response that you don’t have a serious counter argument.
You win nothing with kids...

The point is that we are not going to be putting the undefined "a lot" of kids out at the same time. What in your opinion is our strongest starting eleven right now, working on the assumption that we sell Anel and Souza?
 
It is great to see our talented youngsters get some game time, and if we can get them to stay interested longer term all the better. However, I'm not too excited after beating Chessie 3-0. Their defence, and particularly their goalie, were gash. Thank God we made the most of our chances. Yet again we have has a totally disrupted pre-season. We still need several new experienced players to add to this squad. Our defence is looking incredibly weak. Apart from JLT I cannot see anyone good enough for the championship in the ranks. And last year our defence was a laughing stock. Albeit against top class opposition. Cmon Chris, you were a defender, you must see the horror show that awaits if we don't get some experienced championship defenders in very soon.
The so called teckova? WTF is going on PA? Just give us some hope you care a bit for this historic club instead of trying to line your own pockets.
Reckon you'd win the forum award for most ironic username
 

You win nothing with kids...

The point is that we are not going to be putting the undefined "a lot" of kids out at the same time. What in your opinion is our strongest starting eleven right now, working on the assumption that we sell Anel and Souza?
Good question. Based on what I saw today re formation:

GK Davies

RB God knows
LB McCallum
CB Robinson
CB reluctantly Trusty

Midfield Arblaster, Hamer, O’Hare

Up front Moore, Osula, God knows

You can stick young lads in the two God knows slots and instead of Trusty. But the team is puny as it is.
 


Good question. Based on what I saw today re formation:

GK Davies

RB God knows
LB McCallum
CB Robinson
CB reluctantly Trusty

Midfield Arblaster, Hamer, O’Hare

Up front Moore, Osula, God knows

You can stick young lads in the two God knows slots and instead of Trusty. But the team is puny as it is.

So, realistically, we are either putting Shackleton at RB, maybe Curtis/Seriki/Buyabu/whoever, and then sticking Traore up top as part of the three, or potentially one of the younger forwards instead. That's not loads of kids - that is a small number integrated into a side of more seasoned professionals, and you can then, if the game state dictates it is possible, utilise the bench to further blood the youngsters, and I don't see how that is in any way an unreasonable approach. If you were seriously thinking that I want us to start seven academy players then wow, and if you seriously think that without two full starting teams of "Championship ready" players we are going down then that is not only wow, but I'm sure glad I'm not paying the wages for such a hideously inefficient setup
 

It’s a serious point.

If we put out a lot of inexperienced young players that is a recipe for disaster.

There are nowhere near enough Championship standard players in the squad at the moment.
A bit like, you’ll never win anything with kids sort of thing?
 
With hindsight I wonder if Abdullah still thinks his strategy of letting players get into the last year of their contracts is a good one for football teams?!

Apart from Adam Davies have we extended anyone else?
Abdullah is still playing fantasy football
 
whilst winging about our lack of championship players & which slots we are vulnerable in

Don’t forget as the window closes we will most likely be bringing in premiership loan players to mix into those slots dependent on where we are at that point.
What we don’t want to do is bringing players in Willy Nilly just to get a body in, and like last season we don’t want to lose 2 of our best players as the window closes with no chance of recruiting
As much as I don’t want them to leave if Anel / Hamer / Souza look as though they want to leave, do the deal now, and leave enough time to recruit a player Wilder wants
 
I'm sure they will develop better playing for Matlock Town.
If the best they can do is Matlock then that’s their level here and now.
But you’re also ignoring what can be learned at that level in footballing terms. Honesty. Hard work. Fortitude.
If they can’t shine at that level with the head start they’ve had at United through academy football then it boils down to them either not working hard enough and lacking the honesty to accept that and put it right, or they simply don’t have the grit and determination to impose themselves among men…sometimes nasty orrible men who know all the tricks to drag them down to their level.

That is why they go out on loan.
 
This was a vital piece of work yesterday - my grandson’s first ever match. His dad’s a Liverpool fan, but happily the little ‘un is now hooked. I’ll be getting him to the Lane a few times this season.

Its a long time since I did this with my kids, all of whom are committed Blades. What an absolute delight to be able to do it as a grandparent 😊🙏🏻❤️
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This was a vital piece of work yesterday - my grandson’s first ever match. His dad’s a Liverpool fan, but happily the little ‘un is now hooked. I’ll be getting him to the Lane a few times this season.

Its a long time since I did this with my kids, all of whom are committed Blades. What an absolute delight to be able to do it as a grandparent 😊🙏🏻❤️
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Good work Jansky “His dad is a Liverpool fan” I don’t like the sound of that!
 
Good work Jansky “His dad is a Liverpool fan” I don’t like the sound of that!
His dad’s more of a motorsport fan and not really into football but if pushed he says he supports Liverpool. This was obviously a major black mark against him but after I was strenuously reminded that he doesn’t support Wednesday or Leeds and that since her birth they had been the only parameters I had ever set in stone, he was grudgingly permitted to marry my daughter.
 
This was a vital piece of work yesterday - my grandson’s first ever match. His dad’s a Liverpool fan, but happily the little ‘un is now hooked. I’ll be getting him to the Lane a few times this season.

Its a long time since I did this with my kids, all of whom are committed Blades. What an absolute delight to be able to do it as a grandparent 😊🙏🏻❤️
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That is one of the things that makes football worthwhile. I got grandson a season ticket 15 years ago, when he was 5. He’s now a student here and still got a season ticket, despite his dad being a Newcastle fan. The 8-0 was challenging last season, but we stuck together. Enjoy the shared experiences. And a final thought - as the grandkids grow up, it is great to have a shared interest. It helps keep the relationship enjoyable through and beyond their teenage years.
 

Thoughts on the match.

We need a keeper, even though they barely got a shot off the distribution and command of area is lacking from both.

Seriki looked great, we have said this before and he hasn't quite made it but I was encouraged.
We need a right sided CB (cover for Anel if he stay, maybe 2 if he doesn't)
Trusty looked very composed and comfortable, helped McCallum out several times.
McCallum - Too early to say but that wasn't great on the ball apart from a very good cross.
Peck looked better than Blaster but it was clear OA was taking it easy.
O'Hare looked fantastic in his cameo, work rate was great.
Brooks not always on it but when he was he looked a threat.
Osula looked ready for the season already, still has a problem with composure and making the right choices but a great threat.
Moore was really encouraging, held the ball well, ran onto balls, went wide and got crosses in.

Couple of the young lads don't look ready but I won't call them out, they are just filling in and doing their best.
 

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