Ched Evans...

[alcoblade]

1 in 8.25 if you want to be fair.
I take your point on his record, and yes it needs to improve. But should we write off anyone who doesn't hit the ground running?
This is the first time he has had a consistent run in the team and he looked very dangerous in the first half against Scunny. Second one, useless.

Hasn't hit the ground running.... Can I suggest that Montgomery isn't quite as skillful as Zidane too?

I think my frustration is that there seems to be quite a few who seem to want to wait for Ched to prove them right rather than viewing what's in front of their eyes and thinking about what's best for Sheffield United. I'm sure 5 in 42 isn't the best for us.

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[SteelCity Blade]

thats a nice way of avoiding the question, do you work in the public sector?

How did I avoid the question? "I have been honest enough to admit in other threads that Ched needs to start giving some return in goals. Indeed we cant wait forever for him to start firing. But the lad has some good attributes and shows flashes of quality (admittedly not enough so far). But he is young and has had a decent scoring record for other teams so its plain to me that he has it in him. That's my opinion and I stand by it because I believe he will prove me right eventually.".......

Ive stated my reasons for seeing potential in him countless times on this forum and I think ive summarised my opinion above. If you want specific things I think he has a cracking shot and gets into good positions. His finishing and the service he gets needs to be improved unfortunately. Despite that, ive even shown above that I can see the other point of view and that he needs to produce (i.e. potential isnt enough).

I hope that answers your question Mr. because quite frankly I dont see why I have to justify my own opinion to someone who simply wants to argue. I'm sure there are many on here who want to fight it out with you so go and play with them.

As for the public sector.....no I dont thankfully. I'm assuming you dont either considering your expertise in what constitutes the dodging of a question.

will someone please say why they feel he has this potential? Everyone who suppports him is too broad, give points or give it up.

The fact that hardly anyone is caring to debate this with you probably means you're the one that should give up

 

[norfolkblade]

Sit down shut up!!

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Half a million pound a goal man.

 

[Blade58]

I'm one of Chedwards biggest critics, but at the match I got behind him as I do the whole team.

I stood up and clapped him off when he was subbed. I thought he had a decentish game topped off with his set piece goal.

I haven't changed my opinion of him, as he has such a long way to go, he hasn't touched the sides yet for me. However, praise where praise is due.

A nice individual goal wouldn't go amiss for him and may give him the confidence to take his his game up a level. Believe me, he needs to.

Incidently, I marked him down as the best performer out of the front 3 today. Well done.

 

[JohnDenver]

I'm one of Chedwards biggest critics, but at the match I got behind him as I do the whole team.

I stood up and clapped him off when he was subbed. I thought he had a decentish game topped off with his set piece goal.

I haven't changed my opinion of him, as he has such a long way to go, he hasn't touched the sides yet for me. However, praise where praise is due.

A nice individual goal wouldn't go amiss for him and may give him the confidence to take his his game up a level. Believe me, he needs to.

Incidently, I marked him down as the best performer out of the front 3 today. Well done.

It was noticeable that he spent a long time applauding the crowd, not just to waste time (which he was blatantly doing), but also he seemed to be thanking us for not slaughtering him.

He definitely owes us a few.

 

[super_pig]

i'd just finally written him off..then he scored.. perhaps i'd have helped if i'd done it earlier .. mind you i've never seen him run so fast after he scored the goal.. needs a bit of confidence.. i'll suspend judgement again.. reprieved.. come on ched.. we need you mate.

 

[SwissBlade]

i'd just finally written him off..then he scored.. perhaps i'd have helped if i'd done it earlier .. mind you i've never seen him run so fast after he scored the goal.. needs a bit of confidence.. i'll suspend judgement again.. reprieved.. come on ched.. we need you mate.

And then Speed took him off! Has Ched actually started and finished a game yet?

He obviously knows that no matter what he won't play a full game... the same happened with Billy.

We HAVE to persist with Ched IF Speed rates him. If not then don't play him

 

[alcoblade]

I'm one of Chedwards biggest critics, but at the match I got behind him as I do the whole team.

I stood up and clapped him off when he was subbed. I thought he had a decentish game topped off with his set piece goal.

I haven't changed my opinion of him, as he has such a long way to go, he hasn't touched the sides yet for me. However, praise where praise is due.

A nice individual goal wouldn't go amiss for him and may give him the confidence to take his his game up a level. Believe me, he needs to.

Incidently, I marked him down as the best performer out of the front 3 today. Well done.

I was pleased for him yesterday - he worked hard and the goal is what he needs - but yesterday only added to my belief that in terms of a goal scorer, he hasn't got what it takes to make a real impact. As always, I'll be happily proved wrong.

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[Houso]

I thought he played well personally. Put in a good shift and the majority of the time his first touch was good.

I still maintain though, it's a thankless job for a lone striker with Cresswell on the wing. So hard when he's in effect going against two defenders.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Incidently, I marked him down as the best performer out of the front 3 today. Well done.

Not hard the other 2 were shite for the 3rd home game running.

 

[alcoblade]

Not hard the other 2 were shite for the 3rd home game running.

Agreed, we need to change more than Evans up front. The formation isn't suiting those 3 - either that or they're all not up to it.


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[SteelCity Blade]

Agreed, we need to change more than Evans up front. The formation isn't suiting those 3 - either that or they're all not up to it.

Yep. I was quite taken by the idea of a 4-3-3 at first but the more I watch us play the more I think we have to go back to a 4-4-2. I think the system is more of a problem than the players. Wardy and Cresswell aren't wingers IMO and Ched doesnt look comfortable spear-heading that system, he needs a partner to get anything out of him.

If we can get the lad Bannan from Villa, I would play him and Yeates on the flanks in a 4-4-2 and go with a pairing of Evans and Cresswell up front (on current form).

Evans and Cresswell aren't playing their best admittedly but they are the only forwards that have scored this season. Wardy (my favourite player) looks out of sorts at the moment and I would have to drop him to the bench on current form. I do feel he has been played out of position but a player of his ability should be able to perform well from any attacking position.

 

[Nedski]

what about a 4-4-2 in a diamond? something like:

- - - - - - - Simmo - - - - - - - -
Calve - Morgan - Bartley - Jordan
- - - - - - - Britton - - - - - - - -
Bannan (?) - - - - - - - - Yeates
- - - - - - - Ward - - - - - - - - -
- - - - -Evans - Cresswell- - - - -

Britton can supply the midfield while protecting the defence and picking up to ball from them, two attack minded players down the wings (tracking back too) then two strikers with some support (which is desperately needed at the moment). Im not sure who would be best in the support role, i guess ward and cresswell could swap.

this would also remove the non-footballers from the midfield

i'd definitely like to see evans playing with another striker, he doesnt have the ability to take two on at all. then all we really need is a right winger/midfielder (preferably not ward)

 

[Highbury_Blade]

this would also remove the non-footballers from the midfield

For me that lineup would get overrun in the midfield quite easily, Whose going to do the tackling?

 

[Nedski]

hmm true. maybe swap the support striker for a central midfielder for the kick off. then switch to diamond later in the game?

if we're looking to pass it around, the diamond could work well while we're on the ball. but i suppose in this division you need a few 'kickers' to actually win the ball first

 

[Highbury_Blade]

hmm true. maybe swap the support striker for a central midfielder for the kick off. then switch to diamond later in the game?

if we're looking to pass it around, the diamond could work well while we're on the ball. but i suppose in this division you need a few 'kickers' to actually win the ball first

What we have is an inherent problem with the english game, and they way that the kids are taught. We've too many specialists, which limits the flexibility of the team.

 

[Sensiblade]

What we have is an inherent problem with the english game, and they way that the kids are taught. We've too many specialists, which limits the flexibility of the team.

I think looking at some of the players we have brought through (and sold ) i.e. Jags, Walker and Naughton being the most recent ones. United are/have been pretty good at bringing through players who do not just specialise in one position.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think looking at some of the players we have brought through (and sold ) i.e. Jags, Walker and Naughton being the most recent ones. United are/have been pretty good at bringing through players who do not just specialise in one position.

Well you've hit the nail on the head there.

 

[Sensiblade]

Well you've hit the nail on the head there.

But there are more than just those two words in my post.

Lowton looks like he's flexible in the position he can play.
There are hopefully more to come through.

 

[lenners]

Not hard the other 2 were shite for the 3rd home game running.

I guess the difference is Ched's always been shyte whereas Ward, Cresswell and the injured Henderson haven't.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

But there are more than just those two words in my post.

Lowton looks like he's flexible in the position he can play.
There are hopefully more to come through.

Yeah, fair enough i was being selective

The point still stands though. Britton doesn't look like he's a midfield battler, and monty isn't a creative. Therefore you need both types of players in the midfield, to make up for the others deficiencies. I'd quite like that diamond formation, but to make it work with the two wide players, the base of the diamond would need to be a workhorse with vision. We don't have one of those, so it limits what we can play.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I guess the difference is Ched's always been shyte whereas Ward, Cresswell and the injured Henderson haven't.

While I'd agree that one swallow doesn't make a summer, he just got a single goal, but are you saying Ched was shyte on Saturday?

 

[Nedski]

I guess the difference is Ched's always been shyte whereas Ward, Cresswell and the injured Henderson haven't.

always as in always, or always as in 'while a blade'?

 

[Blade58]

Yep. I was quite taken by the idea of a 4-3-3 at first but the more I watch us play the more I think we have to go back to a 4-4-2. I think the system is more of a problem than the players. Wardy and Cresswell aren't wingers IMO and Ched doesnt look comfortable spear-heading that system, he needs a partner to get anything out of him.

If we can get the lad Bannan from Villa, I would play him and Yeates on the flanks in a 4-4-2 and go with a pairing of Evans and Cresswell up front (on current form).

Evans and Cresswell aren't playing their best admittedly but they are the only forwards that have scored this season. Wardy (my favourite player) looks out of sorts at the moment and I would have to drop him to the bench on current form. I do feel he has been played out of position but a player of his ability should be able to perform well from any attacking position.

Isn't Bannan a central midfielder?

Never had him down as a winger.

 

[lenners]

While I'd agree that one swallow doesn't make a summer, he just got a single goal, but are you saying Ched was shyte on Saturday?

No, he played a blinder, like the other two.
Of course he was shyte. Speed could have taken any of them of, he was presumably going for Ched because of his greater endemic shyteness.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Or

what about a 4-4-2 in a diamond? something like:

- - - - - - - Simmo - - - - - - - -
Calve - Morgan - Bartley - Jordan
- - - - - - - Monty - - - - - - - -
Ward- - - - - - - - - - Yeates
- - - - - - - Britton - - - - - - - - -
- - - - -Evans - Bogdanovic- - - - -

 

[alcoblade]

While I'd agree that one swallow doesn't make a summer, he just got a single goal, but are you saying Ched was shyte on Saturday?

His play around the box with back to goal, and his workrate were good. He showed none of the qualities required to be come a real goal scorer. His positional sense and burst of pace doesn't exist - something that's very important if you're missing that edge of skill, whcih he also lacks.

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[SteelCity Blade]

Or

what about a 4-4-2 in a diamond? something like:

- - - - - - - Simmo - - - - - - - -
Calve - Morgan - Bartley - Jordan
- - - - - - - Monty - - - - - - - -
Ward- - - - - - - - - - Yeates
- - - - - - - Britton - - - - - - - - -
- - - - -Evans - Bogdanovic- - - - -

Not for me. Looks unbalanced. Ward is not a winger and I maintain that. Britton is playing in his correct position in front of the back four.....play Monty there and we will start to get neck ache again with the ball being punted from the back.

I've never really been a fan of the 4-4-2 Diamond as the fact that it features no centre mid, means the wingers will get sucked into narrow positions when the oppo have the ball. Need to go back to an orthodox 4-4-2 and sign a left sided player.

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Isn't Bannan a central midfielder?

Never had him down as a winger.

No definately a left sided midfielder.

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Can anyone explain the above?

There was no intention to merge the two posts and ive tried 3 times to reply seperately.....preview post doesnt even show it as above!

 

[Isiah]

If he's been accurately quoted then the article in The Daily Star might shed some light on where his problem lies.
He seems to be saying that he's not match fit because his offered - and accepts - too much food when he's away on International duty!