Brooksy

[coolhandluke]

Cool hand Luke: No problem. My pleasure. You might be ok with our club being £50m million out of pocket, because we don't have anyone with a football brain and foresight? Me, not so. Thank fuck we didn't have Bale, Walcott, Oxlaide Chamberlain, etc, hey? Cos then we could have had an extra £2/3m from sales for that lot as well? Whoopi Dooooo.

I think you've got me all wrong here youngun. I wouldn't sell Brookes for anything less than 100 million pounds . Personally speaking I think you're underselling Brookes with the kind of valuation you've put on him .

Are you KM in disguise?

 

[coolhandluke]

To flip the situation.

Would a squad win the likes of jagielka, Maguire, walker, naughton, lowton etc have been in the championship?

I know we have to sell players and there a pecking order but had we kept hold of players and not sold at key moments in convinced we'd have been playing top level football

With fuckin Bryan Nobson at the helm championship football would have been a blessing.

 

[Worksop II]

Needs some more meat on his bones, too lightweight, but as a footballer: quality

Reminded me of this scrawney fucker

 

[Norderner]

United would never have got £51m for Walker or £18m for Maguire. Needed to be proven at PL level before those fees came about

Oh really, the font of all football knowledge? So it was also okay for him to be a part of a buy one, get one free deal as well, was it? Going on your esteemed football expertise Bale, Walcott, oxlaide chamberlain, Lookman, et al, were also PL proven? And your employed as a journalist to comment and write about professional football? Kin spiders!!!!

 

[Norderner]

I think you've got me all wrong here youngun. I wouldn't sell Brookes for anything less than 100 million pounds . Personally speaking I think you're underselling Brookes with the kind of valuation you've put on him .

Are you KM in disguise?

Young'un! KM in disguise?

 

[JohnDenver]

Reminded me of this scrawney fucker

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But he never dived once...

 

[coolhandluke]

Young'un! KM in disguise?

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Surely it would make more sense to give him a full season , if he scores 10-15 at this level he'll be worth 20 at least in this market

 

[Sheffsteel]

To flip the situation.

Would a squad win the likes of jagielka, Maguire, walker, naughton, lowton etc have been in the championship?

I know we have to sell players and there a pecking order but had we kept hold of players and not sold at key moments in convinced we'd have been playing top level football

A team trying to keep Jags, Maguire, walker, naughtin and Lowton would be out of business.
Paying them all over £50K a week would mean massive unsustainable losses for any club outside the PL.
Selling Maguire was a great piece of business, we offered to double his wage making him the highest player
But PL Hull blew our offer out of the water. We could have kept him to his final year which would have stifled his development.
He proved that he was way too good for league 1 so would have been wrong to force him to stay and leave on a free.

 

[SwissBlade]

Reminded me of this scrawney fucker

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He really does have a lot in common with Stevie G!

 

[Sheffsteel]

Surely it would make more sense to give him a full season , if he scores 10-15 at this level he'll be worth 20 at least in this market

The big problem with the valuations being quoted, is that they are factored in when negotiating salaries.

So if we put a value of £10 million on Brooks, then surely making him the highest paid player at the club and paying him £20K a week wages is a bargain.

What kind of contract would you offer Brooks if we wanted to tie him down now.

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

Oh really, the font of all football knowledge? So it was also okay for him to be a part of a buy one, get one free deal as well, was it? Going on your esteemed football expertise Bale, Walcott, oxlaide chamberlain, Lookman, et al, were also PL proven? And your employed as a journalist to comment and write about professional football? Kin spiders!!!!

So Southampton sold Bale for £7m, that player you seem to be lauding as a good transfer fee for a lower league team. Spurs sold him for ~£85m, so they're out of pocket by nearly £80m on one deal alone.

It's completely ridiculous to compare prices payed at one time to several years later when players are more proven at higher levels and have gotten even better.

 

[coolhandluke]

Surely it would make more sense to give him a full season , if he scores 10-15 at this level he'll be worth 20 at least in this market

Leeds are in the process of selling their top scorer to Burnley for 15 million . Are they being robbed or are you overestimating Brooks value ?

 

[Norderner]

Selling Maguire was a great piece of business, we offered to double his wage making him the highest player
But PL Hull blew our offer out of the water. We could have kept him to his final year which would have stifled his development.
He proved that he was way too good for league 1 so would have been wrong to force him to stay and leave on a free.

You need to keep off the crack if you think selling maguire was good business. Getting £3.5m after sell ons for a future England CB is utter insanity. Can you imagine McCabe having an employee that sold some of his prime land for £2m, then 3 years later it went for £17? The thick twat would have been buried alive in cement under thorp park quicker than you can say bricks and mortar! But it's perfectly ok for us to do it?

 

[Norderner]

So Southampton sold Bale for £7m, that player you seem to be lauding as a good transfer fee for a lower league team. Spurs sold him for ~£85m, so they're out of pocket by nearly £80m on one deal alone.

It's completely ridiculous to compare prices payed at one time to several years later when players are more proven at higher levels and have gotten even better.

That was as a 3rd division club left back 10/12 years though, A levels? What does £7 million equate to today?

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Agreed . He has bags of talent but he struggles to hold other players off . Good to see him gradually eased into the first team in this way and he'll only get better and better .

Funnily enough I have a complete opposite view about him holding players off. I made the remark during the game that despite his size they can't get the ball off him and he always seems to get it to another player or get something from it. A corner or throw-in.

 

[coolhandluke]

You need to keep off the crack if you think selling maguire was good business. Getting £3.5m after sell ons for a future England CB is utter insanity. Can you imagine McCabe having an employee that sold some of his prime land for £2m, then 3 years later it went for £17? The thick twat would have been buried alive in cement under thorp park quicker than you can say bricks and mortar! But it's perfectly ok for us to do it?

Same as the manager and the bunch of tight fisted no nowt braindead morons that sold Pogba for a fucking pittance a few years ago

 

[Sheffsteel]

You need to keep off the crack if you think selling maguire was good business. Getting £3.5m after sell ons for a future England CB is utter insanity. Can you imagine McCabe having an employee that sold some of his prime land for £2m, then 3 years later it went for £17? The thick twat would have been buried alive in cement under thorp park quicker than you can say bricks and mortar! But it's perfectly ok for us to do it?

In a romantic world of fairy tales I agree with you. We should keep all our best players

Maguire was a hot talent like Brooks is now a hot talent.
So let's imagine if Brooks agent said "my Client will play for England one day and will easily be worth £50 million in 5 years, so we want £30/week for 5 years = 7.5 million". So even at £30/wk United could possibly make a massive profit.

So if you was our Chairman would you offer Brooke's a 5 year contract on £30,000 a week?

 

[coolhandluke]

Funnily enough I have a complete opposite view about him holding players off. I made the remark during the game that despite his size they can't get the ball off him and he always seems to get it to another player or get something from it. A corner or throw-in.

There were more than a couple of occasions yesterday when Brooks was up against the big centre half of theirs and he lost out virtually every time . Don't get me wrong here , the centre half was a big unit but guile and strength in those kind of situations is something that's learned and developed. He's no where near the finished article yet but time and exposure to the rigours of the professional will ensure he gets there . Hopefully that will be with us .

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

That was as a 3rd division club left back 10/12 years though, A levels? What does £7 million equate to today?

10 years ago. Walkers fee was 8 years ago having made 2 appearances for us (going off wiki, thought it was more but not loads more). So stretch both £7m up to what they equate to today and Southampton are more out of pocket than us. Maguire obviously went for 50% of what Bale did, he then went for ~25% of what Bale did, so using those extrapolations we actually did better.

Using what players were worth back then and equating them to what they're currently worth is completely false economics. Southampton would never have gotten close to £85m just as we would never have gotten close to Maguire and Walkers current fees.

 

[Sheffsteel]

In a romantic world of fairy tales I agree with you. We should keep all our best players

Maguire was a hot talent like Brooks is now a hot talent.
So let's imagine if Brooks agent said "my Client will play for England one day and will easily be worth £50 million in 5 years, so we want £30/week for 5 years = 7.5 million". So even at £30/wk United could possibly make a massive profit.

So if you was our Chairman would you offer Brooke's a 5 year contract on £30,000 a week?

Then the next question is
If Brooke's agent said that Man City had offered him £40K a week
Then if you was Chairman would try to beat their offer and go to £50K a week?

Remember this is a player that many predict will be a future England International and the way the market is going, after the next TV deal could be worth £100 million in a few years.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Oh really, the font of all football knowledge? So it was also okay for him to be a part of a buy one, get one free deal as well, was it? Going on your esteemed football expertise Bale, Walcott, oxlaide chamberlain, Lookman, et al, were also PL proven? And your employed as a journalist to comment and write about professional football? Kin spiders!!!!

That's out of order, what does his job have to do with anything when posting on here as a fan?

And it's "you're" by the way

 

[Sheffsteel]

10 years ago. Walkers fee was 8 years ago having made 2 appearances for us (going off wiki, thought it was more but not loads more). So stretch both £7m up to what they equate to today and Southampton are more out of pocket than us. Maguire obviously went for 50% of what Bale did, he then went for ~25% of what Bale did, so using those extrapolations we actually did better.

Using what players were worth back then and equating them to what they're currently worth is completely false economics. Southampton would never have gotten close to £85m just as we would never have gotten close to Maguire and Walkers current fees.

Agree, after the next TV deal PL clubs might start off with £250 million a year, so in a few years £100 million transfers might be fairly common.

If we are confident that Brooke's will be a top England international then in a few years he'll be worth £100 million.
Does that mean we should refuse a £30 million bid for Brookes now? Because we could end up being £70 million out of pocket.

The above shows how difficult and how mad the transfer market is.

 

[Norderner]

Same as the manager and the bunch of tight fisted no nowt braindead morons that sold Pogba for a fucking pittance a few years ago

Fergie didn't sell him though, did he? Pogba let his contract run down cos he wanted to play every week.

 

[coolhandluke]

Fergie didn't sell him though, did he? Potable let his contract run down cos he wanted to play every week.

I don't care who sold him . Just get the stupid cunts buried in concrete .

 

[stringer]

Oh really, the font of all football knowledge? So it was also okay for him to be a part of a buy one, get one free deal as well, was it? Going on your esteemed football expertise Bale, Walcott, oxlaide chamberlain, Lookman, et al, were also PL proven? And your employed as a journalist to comment and write about professional football? Kin spiders!!!!

Play the post not the poster? Yes I am, so I know it's you're

 

[stringer]

That's out of order, what does his job have to do with anything when posting on here as a fan?

And it's "you're" by the way

Beat me to it!

 

[Norderner]

That's out of order, what does his job have to do with anything when posting on here as a fan?

And it's "you're" by the way

Fan my bollocks. He's not even from Sheffield. He comes on here to glean and pilfer info and comments to for his column/work on slow days. Thanks for the spelling lesson as well. Always good fall back when losing an argument. Maybe the admin of this site could set up an English exam you have to pass before your allowed to post?

 

[stringer]

So if we put a value of £10 million on Brooks, then surely making him the highest paid player at the club and paying him £20K a week wages is a bargain.

Is it so much of a bargain when JOC, Moore, Fleck, Coutts and Sharp think 'hang on, I want a bit of the £20k a week action too'?

 

[stringer]

Fan my bollocks. He's not even from Sheffield.

Who isn't? That's news to me