Brewster

[djbaldken]

I know lad. You'd have seen that I did say that if you started reading at the front of the sentence.

I did read that.

Let's agree to disagree Gregg.
You think he's the dogs Bollocks with potential.
I think he's dogs arse with little chance of making good for us.

 

[ben1987]

I'm delighted for him. The finish itself was a simple one, but he had to be alert to the play that preceded it to be in position to tap it in.

Could have had another in the 2nd half too, but Moore couldn't make his mind up as to what he was doing, so Brewster wasn't ready to take the shot when it came to him.

He's always had the work rate, and hasn't hidden away - he's kept trying, regardless of the awful shit some people have said about him.

I really hope that now he uses last night as a springboard. If he can start to produce, it's one position we don't need to spend on in January.

He actually bust his arse to get in at the back stick as the ball went over the top to Hamer.

Without that little bit of desire and determination there, no goal.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

I did read that.

Let's agree to disagree Gregg.
You think he's the dogs Bollocks with potential.
I think he's dogs arse with little chance of making good for us.

Might want to work on your comprehension as well as your reading Kenn because you'd know I didn't think this if you could actually understand sentences

 

[unchosen]

There's a number of posters on here that say they dont understand the HATE towards Brewster.
There's a difference between hating someone and thinking someone is not very good at what they do.
I don't HATE Brewster, I just don't think he's that good.

I agree that “hate” is over reacting and it’s used too much when constructive criticism is given.

What I struggle with is the mindset of some supporters who seemingly can’t be happy and celebrate when a player does well. It’s as if their need to have their opinion validated outweighs everything else.

I’ve been critical of Brewster in the past, but the bottom line is that he was in the right place, did what needed to be done, and we’re back on top because of it.

 

[djbaldken]

Might want to work on your comprehension as well as your reading Kenn because you'd know I didn't think this if you could actually understand sentences

Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?

 

[Frank the tank]

If you think he played well then YES you're easily pleased.

He didn't play badly. But that's not saying he played well.

If he didn't play badly he played well by definition

 

[Bladesman]

I agree that “hate” is over reacting and it’s used too much when constructive criticism is given.

What I struggle with is the mindset of some supporters who seemingly can’t be happy and celebrate when a player does well. It’s as if their need to have their opinion validated outweighs everything else.

I’ve been critical of Brewster in the past, but the bottom line is that he was in the right place, did what needed to be done, and we’re back on top because of it.

I said after he scored it would rattle a few on here and it has.

 

[djbaldken]

If he didn't play badly he played well by definition

Playing well: definition:
Displaying exceptional talent, intelligence, or strategy in competitive games, sports, or any situation.

There was nothing exceptional about his performance other than his tap in goal.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Let's be honest, the next two teams we play are shit. Brewster must fancy adding to his tally and getting ahead of Moore in the goals scored column.

 

[Frank the tank]

Playing well: definition:
Displaying exceptional talent, intelligence, or strategy in competitive games, sports, or any situation.

There was nothing exceptional about his performance other than his tap in goal.

I thought he showed some really nice touches, awareness and played it off really well but then again I don't have a raging hard on for him like you

 

[SGBlade]

Pretty simple re Brewster. He was a high potential young England age-group player who had one good season in the championship. It was an understandable signing at the time in our position (albeit we probably paid a few million over the odds for him). He has then had horrific injuries that have completely stalled his career and have stopped us getting any value out of him.

I think it’s reasonable to say it’s our worst ever signing in terms of return on investment. But only if caveated with ‘because he got injured’. What I dislike are the undertones and insinuations that it’s his fault or that he’s stealing a wage (I know it’s from a minority). As far as I can tell he’s done his absolute best and shown a great strength of character. It’s unlikely that he’ll now reach his potential but if he can play a decent squad role for us this year and bag 5 goals then that’s a very welcome a potentially significant contribution. I suggest we all just get behind him now - everything else is water under the bridge and a sunk cost.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Pretty simple re Brewster. He was a high potential young England age-group player who had one good season in the championship. It was an understandable signing at the time in our position (albeit we probably paid a few million over the odds for him). He has then had horrific injuries that have completely stalled his career and have stopped us getting any value out of him.

I think it’s reasonable to say it’s our worst ever signing in terms of return on investment. But only if caveated with ‘because he got injured’. What I dislike are the undertones and insinuations that it’s his fault or that he’s stealing a wage (I know it’s from a minority). As far as I can tell he’s done his absolute best and shown a great strength of character. It’s unlikely that he’ll now reach his potential but if he can play a decent squad role for us this year and bag 5 goals then that’s a very welcome a potentially significant contribution. I suggest we all just get behind him now - everything else is water under the bridge and a sunk cost.

Good comment......very balanced and accurate.

What you sometimes find in these (and many other) discussion is todays fashion of
1: Non critical thinking, an opinion all depends whether someone "likes" a player or a "manager".
Find this really weird ha ha. I really like Brewster but I'm able to give negative criticism when deserved. I also really liked Hecky but gave him some negative criticism too and wanted him sacked. In some ways I don't like Wilder regards his personality but generally praise him regards his ability.
2: In order to make an opinion more valid then there's this need to massively exaggerate. This is really common all over social media, Someone slags off Brewster which is harsh and unfair, so someone who likes him then responds by rating him as the next Billy Sharp.

Agree....it's totally wrong to blame him for stealing a wage when it's clearly not his fault.
Also his personality, metal toughness and off field influence is very impressive and deserves praise. I've heard some refer to him as "cheerleader", there's some truth in it but again that is unfair because he's so committed to the players, it should be seen as a positive not a pisstake negative.

At the end of the day
Wilder knows him better than anyone, if Wilder supports him, plays him, gets rid or even offers him a new contract, it's good enough for me.

 

[OnmiEdson]

Thought he played well last night
Maybe I'm just easily pleased

Yep, you’re a Fanny (easily pleased)

 

[Cappy]

"Where did we play on Boxing day? Was I injured?"
"Yeah probably"



And we all know what version of the song Ty is singing to himself

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Good comment......very balanced and accurate.

What you sometimes find in these (and many other) discussion is todays fashion of
1: Non critical thinking, an opinion all depends whether someone "likes" a player or a "manager".
Find this really weird ha ha. I really like Brewster but I'm able to give negative criticism when deserved. I also really liked Hecky but gave him some negative criticism too and wanted him sacked. In some ways I don't like Wilder regards his personality but generally praise him regards his ability.
2: In order to make an opinion more valid then there's this need to massively exaggerate. This is really common all over social media, Someone slags off Brewster which is harsh and unfair, so someone who likes him then responds by rating him as the next Billy Sharp.

Agree....it's totally wrong to blame him for stealing a wage when it's clearly not his fault.
Also his personality, metal toughness and off field influence is very impressive and deserves praise. I've heard some refer to him as "cheerleader", there's some truth in it but again that is unfair because he's so committed to the players, it should be seen as a positive not a pisstake negative.

At the end of the day
Wilder knows him better than anyone, if Wilder supports him, plays him, gets rid or even offers him a new contract, it's good enough for me.

Good and thoughtful post mate.

 

[Frank the tank]

Yep, you’re a Fanny (easily pleased)

Winning goals do tend to bring out the fanboy in me

 

[Bladesman]

"Where did we play on Boxing day? Was I injured?"
"Yeah probably"



And we all know what version of the song Ty is singing to himself

"All in the gift shop"

 

[Super Furry Blades]

I was buzzing for him yesterday...i really want him to be a success..
In reality I honestly see him low end champ or even league 1 next season...
I hope I'm wrong

 

[s20Blade]

He's dogshit but I'm all for a run of good form to help the cause.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Agree some people do love a scapegoat. Think it’s got worse with the advent of social media. Sometimes I see the smart comments and sarcasm towards Brewster almost like “bullying”.

This doesn’t apply to everyone obviously but there is a psychology regards how humans act/ behave in a group compared to how they would act alone.

Makes me wonder if some people love to feel part of a gang and put the boot in when someone is down defenceless on the floor. Slagging someone off makes them feel better and more powerful, then they become addicted to that feeling.

Regards Gannon, used to like him, thought he was lively, worked hard and tried the more difficult passes meaning he’d sometimes give the ball away cheaply and that’s why he receive ld stick but at least he didn’t hide and would keep trying the more creative difficult passes.

The ball for Bobby Davison’s second - enough for Gannon to get a free pass from me

 

[SGBlade]

The ball for Bobby Davison’s second - enough for Gannon to get a free pass from me

Wasn’t he also the one who belted it up in the air which led to warhurst (?) and the other Wednesday player colliding before Whitehouse’s goal in the home game?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Wasn’t he also the one who belted it up in the air which led to warhurst (?) and the other Wednesday player colliding before Whitehouse’s goal in the home game?

I think you might be right but slightly less quality there

 

[SGBlade]

I think you might be right but slightly less quality there

True! But I love that goal. First derby game I went to. When my mates used to play Wembley doubles (blast from the past) and one of us booted it up high, we used to shout ‘Gannon!’. Bit like shouting ‘megs’ on a nutmeg.

I realise this reminiscence is only of interest to me. But I feel better for sharing

 

[Carlton Blade]

It's going to be a tough run of fixtures over the next 3 weeks. With Brooks being completely out of favour, 30 mins a match of competence from Brewster would be invaluable. Fingers crossed he can manage his hamstrings through it

 

[hodgy747]

As a pensioner I and many others are certainly NOT flourishing under his so called leadership!!!

Blame the previous 14 years of Tory mismanagement of the economy and Johnson's stupid hard Brexit which no one voted for.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I would definitely start with Brewster against Plymouth and Cardiff now and see what he can do if he bags a few more fingers crossed it will be onwards and upwards for him.

Unless Moore and Campbell are fit then this will probably happen. If those 2 are fit to play then they are better and should come into the team.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

It's going to be a tough run of fixtures over the next 3 weeks. With Brooks being completely out of favour, 30 mins a match of competence from Brewster would be invaluable. Fingers crossed he can manage his hamstrings through it

We've got two easy ones first

 

[Houston_Blade]

The objectivity of some comments (mine included) have been called into question, there's also a school of thought that he did well on Wednesday and some saying he did nothing and just scored a tap in. In my view I don't care if a striker has a shit game overall, if they score a goal (particularly a winner) then they've done what they're paid to do and had a good game. Objectively then I'd say Brewster had a good game last night, he scored, we won 1 nil, happy days.

To go further into the season stats and compare our forwards as well as some of the better forwards in the league and one from a shit team to give a bigger sample, all taken from FBref and yes I'm bored, kids are all in bed, Mrs is out on a birthday do:



What it tells me is that Brewster is doing ok in the context of our strikers in terms of his contribution to the game, he's having more touches per 90 than all the rest and he's scoring more per 90 than Moore. Whether these touches are effective or not isn't what this information tells you, but a lot were critical of him not touching the ball last night and he had 18 touches in the time he was on the pitch. One and Brewster obviously have a much smaller sample size and don't start often, therefore come on at times to run around and make a nuisance of themselves rather than actually impact the game. Campbell's touches the ball least per 90 but has scored the most by a long way, so you don't have to be constantly involved to be effective.

When you compare our forwards to the likes of Lath and Piroe, top scorers with auto/play-off rivals then apart from Campbell all are lacking in the goals department, Piroe gets a lot more 'involved' in the game, but Leeds are said to play more on the front foot than us (I've only seen them against us so can't comment really). Lath has less touches and is more akin to our strikers with his involvement, but he knows where the back of the net is, again Boro are classed as more 'attacking' than we are.

I put a player from a shite team in for comparison and was actually surprised by his stats, he has plenty of touches and has scored a decent amount of goals to say he's playing for what I only assume are a set of 'backs against the wall useless bastards who like to pinch 0-0 wins wherever possible', my sample size is small because I'm not a closet pig and have therefore only seen them once this season.

Objectively then it seems we're a bit dull and boring as a set of forwards, apart from Campbell who's in Leon circa 2017 form at the moment (although I hope it's not just a purple patch!). Brewster is pretty average in our line up of forwards but scores a lot less than the much cheaper Campbell.

In terms of Rhian, my personal view is still that we need another 15 goals from him this season to be classed as anything near a decent footballer, he probably needs 3 of those to come against the pigs to make me actually change my mind. I know the fee wasn't his fault but we paid it and he signed what I presume is a healthy contract on the back of it and hasn't performed to anywhere near the expected levels.

Those who want to back him keep on doing so, my eye is more critical given his past failures in a Blades shirt and he needs to win me around, hopefully he will.

 

[ekke287]

The objectivity of some comments (mine included) have been called into question, there's also a school of thought that he did well on Wednesday and some saying he did nothing and just scored a tap in. In my view I don't care if a striker has a shit game overall, if they score a goal (particularly a winner) then they've done what they're paid to do and had a good game. Objectively then I'd say Brewster had a good game last night, he scored, we won 1 nil, happy days.

To go further into the season stats and compare our forwards as well as some of the better forwards in the league and one from a shit team to give a bigger sample, all taken from FBref and yes I'm bored, kids are all in bed, Mrs is out on a birthday do:

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What it tells me is that Brewster is doing ok in the context of our strikers in terms of his contribution to the game, he's having more touches per 90 than all the rest and he's scoring more per 90 than Moore. Whether these touches are effective or not isn't what this information tells you, but a lot were critical of him not touching the ball last night and he had 18 touches in the time he was on the pitch. One and Brewster obviously have a much smaller sample size and don't start often, therefore come on at times to run around and make a nuisance of themselves rather than actually impact the game. Campbell's touches the ball least per 90 but has scored the most by a long way, so you don't have to be constantly involved to be effective.

When you compare our forwards to the likes of Lath and Piroe, top scorers with auto/play-off rivals then apart from Campbell all are lacking in the goals department, Piroe gets a lot more 'involved' in the game, but Leeds are said to play more on the front foot than us (I've only seen them against us so can't comment really). Lath has less touches and is more akin to our strikers with his involvement, but he knows where the back of the net is, again Boro are classed as more 'attacking' than we are.

I put a player from a shite team in for comparison and was actually surprised by his stats, he has plenty of touches and has scored a decent amount of goals to say he's playing for what I only assume are a set of 'backs against the wall useless bastards who like to pinch 0-0 wins wherever possible', my sample size is small because I'm not a closet pig and have therefore only seen them once this season.

Objectively then it seems we're a bit dull and boring as a set of forwards, apart from Campbell who's in Leon circa 2017 form at the moment (although I hope it's not just a purple patch!). Brewster is pretty average in our line up of forwards but scores a lot less than the much cheaper Campbell.

In terms of Rhian, my personal view is still that we need another 15 goals from him this season to be classed as anything near a decent footballer, he probably needs 3 of those to come against the pigs to make me actually change my mind. I know the fee wasn't his fault but we paid it and he signed what I presume is a healthy contract on the back of it and hasn't performed to anywhere near the expected levels.

Those who want to back him keep on doing so, my eye is more critical given his past failures in a Blades shirt and he needs to win me around, hopefully he will.

Great analysis, but raises a question from me.

What is your opinion of Moore? If you say Brewster needs to score 15, but is 1 behind Moore having played 1/3 of the games, do you need Moore to score 45?

 

[Snowflake]

Agree some people do love a scapegoat. Think it’s got worse with the advent of social media. Sometimes I see the smart comments and sarcasm towards Brewster almost like “bullying”.

This doesn’t apply to everyone obviously but there is a psychology regards how humans act/ behave in a group compared to how they would act alone.

Makes me wonder if some people love to feel part of a gang and put the boot in when someone is down defenceless on the floor. Slagging someone off makes them feel better and more powerful, then they become addicted to that feeling.

Regards Gannon, used to like him, thought he was lively, worked hard and tried the more difficult passes meaning he’d sometimes give the ball away cheaply and that’s why he receive ld stick but at least he didn’t hide and would keep trying the more creative difficult passes.

Gannon’s right foot goal at Forest from the edge of the penalty area was my favourite United goal until Basham “arrived” !