Outgoing? Bogle

[United Aren't Back.]

He struggled towards the end of the year but he was the main bright spit for a lot of the time

What colour was the bright flob?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

For me we've got x2 RB's who could fetch £20m. Makes sense to try to cash in on one of them. Especially as we have a young kid about to burst through...

 

[Balham]

Norwich City transfer rumours: City track Blades' full back

Sheffield United's young full back, Jayden Bogle, is being tipped as a possible replacement for Max Aarons at Norwich City.

www.edp24.co.uk

Wouldnt be happy if he left, good player

"£6m rated"...

Every player has his price and Bogle's is about the same as Aaron's. They're similar players with similar ceilings.

 

[robbiez666]

Aarons is head and shoulders above Bogle.

 

[Weasel]

"£6m rated"...

Every player has his price and Bogle's is about the same as Aaron's. They're similar players with similar ceilings.

Someone should give Norwich a call and tell them that McCabe is no longer our Chairman. Daft sods whoever thinks that Utd would sell at £6m...dear me who writes this shit?

Tomorrows article, Norwich plan double raid of SUFC pair Sander Berge and Aaron Ramsdale in £3m for the paid swoop......

 

[TJ blade]

Someone should give Norwich a call and tell them that McCabe is no longer our Chairman. Daft sods whoever thinks that Utd would sell at £6m...dear me who writes this shit?

Tomorrows article, Norwich plan double raid of SUFC pair Sander Berge and Aaron Ramsdale in £3m for the paid swoop......

Sadly that's the legacy that daft twat McCabe as left us with.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

For me we've got x2 RB's who could fetch £20m.

If we sold them both?

 

[RMBlade]

Aarons is head and shoulders above Bogle.

Aarons was awful in the premier league 2 seasons ago. He’s done well in the championship (especially last year). He will probably make a mid/lower prem RB but I don’t understand how clubs like Bayern are interested.

 

[Deadbat]

We are not getting 10 million+ for either. They are decent and Bogle has potential but he needs to work on his defending. Baldock is a solid right back but his offensive output is appalling. 29 next year so not young either.

I think it's fair to say we are top loaded in the full back positions and carrying 6 wing/full backs is not needed wages/cover wise. I'd expect one of Baldock/Bogle and one of Lowe/Stevens to maybe leave. Ideally you'd want RND and Seriki pushing on. The former is not going to want to go on loan again. We either play him or sell him.

Bogle or Baldock being back up at Champ is not realistic really. One will/should go.

We can then prioritise centre midfield and centre half.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

If we sold them both?

Twice

 

[Mojo]

So after signing him from Derby for 6 mill, he massively impresses in the prem, scores some good goals and looks a very promising talent his value has increased by absolutely nothing. Yet Norwich players in a similar situation go for 20 mill plus. I don't think so somehow

 

[jono_t2000]

Aarons is head and shoulders above Bogle.

Bogle in 2 championship seasons has 14 assists vs Aarons 8 over 2 seasons.

Aarons scored zero goals in his only premier league campaign vs Bogle who scored 2 (playing considerably less minutes)

Defensively they are both poor but overall i don't think there's much between them tbh

 

[Weasel]

So after signing him from Derby for 6 mill, he massively impresses in the prem, scores some good goals and looks a very promising talent his value has increased by absolutely nothing. Yet Norwich players in a similar situation go for 20 mill plus. I don't think so somehow

At last some common sense.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

It isn’t only McCabe that under valued our own players,it would appear that a lot of our supporters suffer from the same condition.In defence of ‘there is no bigger blade,McCabe’ we were nearly always on the bones of our arse when he was chairman and player sales were often done in desperation.We are not in that position now and our current chairman is far more astute,i don’t think we will get our pockets picked in the shameful way it has been done in the past.

 

[robbiez666]

Bogle in 2 championship seasons has 14 assists vs Aarons 8 over 2 seasons.

Aarons scored zero goals in his only premier league campaign vs Bogle who scored 2 (playing considerably less minutes)

Defensively they are both poor but overall i don't think there's much between them tbh

Aarons is so much better defensively than Bogle.

 

[FriethBlade]

It isn’t only McCabe that under valued our own players,it would appear that a lot of our supporters suffer from the same condition.In defence of ‘there is no bigger blade,McCabe’ we were nearly always on the bones of our arse when he was chairman and player sales were often done in desperation.We are not in that position now and our current chairman is far more astute,i don’t think we will get our pockets picked in the shameful way it has been done in the past.

True there's still people arguing that the money we got for Calvert Lewin and Che Adams was both good and realistic!!!!

 

[Deadbat]

Bogle in 2 championship seasons has 14 assists vs Aarons 8 over 2 seasons.

Aarons scored zero goals in his only premier league campaign vs Bogle who scored 2 (playing considerably less minutes)

Defensively they are both poor but overall i don't think there's much between them tbh

Wasn't Aaron's close to going to Liverpool and/or Bayern Munich in the last year?

I think Bogle has good potential definitely but not sure he'd command the same level of interest or fee as Aarons. Aarons has been a regular in a team promoted twice and in the Prem.. albeit Norwich were as bad as us.

As I say I like Bogle but he was in and out last season and has not yet established himself here. He had a few decent games and got a few goals but to say he massively impressed on the Prem is is real stretch! He was not a regular in the worst team in the league.

We prob can't have two Champ definite starters in a specific position so one will probably move on.

If you sold Bogle you might get 6-8 million. 10 at a push (you'd get what we paid and maybe a bit more) but Aarons market fee is probably double that.

 

[Yogi]

Wasn't Aaron's close to going to Liverpool and/or Bayern Munich in the last year?

I think Bogle has good potential definitely but not sure he'd command the same level of interest or fee as Aarons. Aarons has been a regular in a team promoted twice and in the Prem.. albeit Norwich were as bad as us.

As I say I like Bogle but he was in and out last season and has not yet established himself here. He had a few decent games and got a few goals but to say he massively impressed on the Prem is is real stretch! He was not a regular in the worst team in the league.

We prob can't have two Champ definite starters in a specific position so one will probably move on.

If you sold Bogle you might get 6-8 million. 10 at a push (you'd get what we paid and maybe a bit more) but Aarons market fee is probably double that.

Think it was Barca but they were trying to swindle a bargain and didn’t have the funds to meet the asking price.

 

[Frank the tank]

Personally thought Aaron's, Godfrey and

Wasn't Aaron's close to going to Liverpool and/or Bayern Munich in the last year?

I think Bogle has good potential definitely but not sure he'd command the same level of interest or fee as Aarons. Aarons has been a regular in a team promoted twice and in the Prem.. albeit Norwich were as bad as us.

As I say I like Bogle but he was in and out last season and has not yet established himself here. He had a few decent games and got a few goals but to say he massively impressed on the Prem is is real stretch! He was not a regular in the worst team in the league.

We prob can't have two Champ definite starters in a specific position so one will probably move on.

If you sold Bogle you might get 6-8 million. 10 at a push (you'd get what we paid and maybe a bit more) but Aarons market fee is probably double that.

Laughable you're becoming a parody of yourself now

 

[Deadbat]

Personally thought Aaron's, Godfrey and

Laughable you're becoming a parody of yourself now

No problems disagreeing but say why rather than having a go at me.

Ask a neutral football fan...not Norwich or a Blade who commands a bigger fee and may get more interest. Not sure many if any would say Bogle at all? Course proof will be what happens.

Godfrey and Aarons were regulars in the Prem.

Bogle started 11 games and was primarily a back up.

Not sure there is anything wildly controversial in what I've said. Why that makes me a parody of myself I don't know?

I do like Bogle and think in a few years we have a real gem but at the moment Aarons is a better player with more experience at the top level (Prem and top of Champ)

What I will say is the fact Bogle is cheaper may mean teams might prefer him weirdly if looking for a back up.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Agree with deadbat,flitted in and out of a relegated side so why should he be worth much more than we paid for him ? Can be great potential,we will see albeit in a lesser league. Take a look at yourself “Frank the tank” insulting behind a keyboard.
Opinions are always welcome otherwise.

 

[Frank the tank]

No problems disagreeing but say why rather than having a go at me.

Ask a neutral football fan...not Norwich or a Blade who commands a bigger fee and may get more interest. Not sure many if any would say Bogle at all? Course proof will be what happens.

Godfrey and Aarons were regulars in the Prem.

Bogle started 11 games and was primarily a back up.

Not sure there is anything wildly controversial in what I've said. Why that makes me a parody of myself I don't know?

I do like Bogle and think in a few years we have a real gem but at the moment Aarons is a better player with more experience at the top level (Prem and top of Champ)

What I will say is the fact Bogle is cheaper may mean teams might prefer him weirdly if looking for a back up.

Why ? You didn't?
Should change your username to deadpan

 

[Deadbat]

Why ? You didn't?
Should change your username to deadpan

Great response

All for different opinions but you have just put two posts just criticising a poster rather than disagreeing the posts. Tell me why you disagree? Offer some rationale otherwise just don't bother posting a response.

To repeat I like Bogle; my end of season review sees me be a lot more favourable than my co hosts on Tufty Club. Just think Aarons is more established and a better player at this stage. Its hardly a wildy, eye popping opinion.

 

[Frank the tank]

Great response

All for different opinions but you have just put two posts just criticising a poster rather than disagreeing the posts. Tell me why you disagree? Offer some rationale otherwise just don't bother posting a response

You're the only blade I know who.constantly refers to us as a dirty side
Your opinions on everything Sheffield United are so negative I can only assume you are on anti exuberants

 

[Deadbat]

You're the only blade I know who.constantly refers to us as a dirty side
Your opinions on everything Sheffield United are so negative I can only assume you are on anti exuberants

So once again you come back with a personal dig at me and do not answer the post? Which further confirms you are just making it a personal dig rather than entering a discussion.

As you have completely changed the topic...your point about me being the only Blade who thinks we are dirty.

Last season I felt we were dirty at times as we pulled people back a lot, chopped them down of they ran past and they were not even good fouls or offences that were effective. I felt we were niggly due to not having pace/athleticism or strength to keep up. So fouled a lot. A fair few of my mates felt the same.

Also the stats sadly back up my argument more than yours.

We had the most bookings in the entire league with 73 placing us 1st out of 20 sides.

We were around the middle 10th for red cards 3 but overall we committed 459 fouls meaning we placed 2/20 in the whole league.

I am not really going to get in a back and forth as clearly your motives are aimed at me rather than any discussions. My reviews on last season were negative as statistically it was the worse season in our history ever. Hard to be positive but hoping and expecting for better things ahead.

 

[Farnboroughblade]

Na then lads, let's not squabble between ourselves. Now we have the Prince and Slav in charge I'm quite happy for the first time in a longtime for them to sort these type of decisions out as to who should stay, who should go and the value of each of our players.
I'm quite chilled to sit back relax and let them make these decisions. It's what they're paid for.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Posted mainly without comment but some interesting stats which compares Bogle to all full backs in the big 5 leagues over the last year.

he’s XG per game is in the top 4/3% of all defenders and he’s putting in some good defensive numbers in pressures / tackles etc. But is basically the worst of the worst for assist / progressive passes

now those progressive passing and assist could be because we were essentially dog shite in all attacking sense as a team, but it wouldn’t be a shock to see him excel in a team that had the ball more.

 

[ATL Recs]

If we sold them both?

Twice

 

[Champagneblade]

Wasn't Aaron's close to going to Liverpool and/or Bayern Munich in the last year?

I think Bogle has good potential definitely but not sure he'd command the same level of interest or fee as Aarons. Aarons has been a regular in a team promoted twice and in the Prem.. albeit Norwich were as bad as us.

As I say I like Bogle but he was in and out last season and has not yet established himself here. He had a few decent games and got a few goals but to say he massively impressed on the Prem is is real stretch! He was not a regular in the worst team in the league.

We prob can't have two Champ definite starters in a specific position so one will probably move on.

If you sold Bogle you might get 6-8 million. 10 at a push (you'd get what we paid and maybe a bit more) but Aarons market fee is probably double that.

When you mention that Bogle was a bit in and out, that is partly down to the fact we also have Baldock.

I suppose the question you could ask is, in Aarons case, did Norwich have someone of Baldock's quality pushing him? And I think the answer would be no.

I'd agree that Aarons is a bit ahead. He's 6 months older and has played 30 more games which pretty much accounts for the additional games.

I think Norwich were a lot poorer defensively than we were in the PL however if Bogle had played more I think we would have been worse defensively too!

I thought he did ok at left wing back to be honest especially at Man U. I know we have left wing backs options coming out of our ears but how many are up to it? If you'd consider Norrington-Davies and Bogle as options there and retained Baldock, so 3 main wing back options plus Seriki, you'd have decent competition, especially as RND can compete for LCB if needed. You've still got Osborn as an extra body if needed and can then offload Stevens and Lowe if anyone will take them.

Problem United have is clubs seldom come in for players you want to get rid of but will certainly be interested in those you want to keep!

 

[Kop sufferer]

When you mention that Bogle was a bit in and out, that is partly down to the fact we also have Baldock.

I suppose the question you could ask is, in Aarons case, did Norwich have someone of Baldock's quality pushing him? And I think the answer would be no.

I'd agree that Aarons is a bit ahead. He's 6 months older and has played 30 more games which pretty much accounts for the additional games.

I think Norwich were a lot poorer defensively than we were in the PL however if Bogle had played more I think we would have been worse defensively too!

I thought he did ok at left wing back to be honest especially at Man U. I know we have left wing backs options coming out of our ears but how many are up to it? If you'd consider Norrington-Davies and Bogle as options there and retained Baldock, so 3 main wing back options plus Seriki, you'd have decent competition, especially as RND can compete for LCB if needed. You've still got Osborn as an extra body if needed and can then offload Stevens and Lowe if anyone will take them.

Problem United have is clubs seldom come in for players you want to get rid of but will certainly be interested in those you want to keep!

Thanks CB for getting this thread back on track.
For me it's an honest debate on which both right and left full backs we should retain and who unfortunately let go.
Meanwhile I'll sit on the fence and let Slav decide !