Berge, WTF?

[alcoblade]

At times, with the ball at his feet, he looks like Maradona.

I'd love someone to pull up some footage of that, because it was all in the games that I've somehow missed.

 

[alcoblade]

I think he will play the remaining three games to ensure that he is up to match fitness, either for our benefit or to ensure a sale.

He best show a lot more in those three games if he wants to ensure a sale.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

That quote from Heckingbottom sounds to me like an statement that we won't sell on the cheap. Nothing more, nothing less.


I dispair. Is it because he doesn't kick it far and long for the strikers to chase?

No he just passes it sideways and backwards.

 

[PokerBlade]

Examiner Live are insistent that it got lost in translation and the release fee is £35m. From other places what seems to have happened is someone mistook that the fee has dropped by around £10m or so because of relegation.

My only thing is that while I've seen glimpses of a good player in Berge I haven't seen a £35m player. Imagine he'd come in without the hype, imagine we'd signed him the European leagues for £5m. How many people would be saying we should hold out for £35m? I get that he's played for his country and there's potential there, but £35m? Does he look as promising as Brooks did for £12m? Does he look as promising as Walker did, or Maguire did? Granted they were playing at lower levels where they would stand out more, but when it comes to Berge I feel like I'm swept up in the insanity of Premier League hype.

Much as I'd be happy to keep him if anyone offers the asking price then I don't think there's a question about taking it.

 

[Danetheblade]

Examiner Live are insistent that it got lost in translation and the release fee is £35m. From other places what seems to have happened is someone mistook that the fee has dropped by around £10m or so because of relegation.

My only thing is that while I've seen glimpses of a good player in Berge I haven't seen a £35m player. Imagine he'd come in without the hype, imagine we'd signed him the European leagues for £5m. How many people would be saying we should hold out for £35m? I get that he's played for his country and there's potential there, but £35m? Does he look as promising as Brooks did for £12m? Does he look as promising as Walker did, or Maguire did? Granted they were playing at lower levels where they would stand out more, but when it comes to Berge I feel like I'm swept up in the insanity of Premier League hype.

Much as I'd be happy to keep him if anyone offers the asking price then I don't think there's a question about taking it.

Regards him leaving, it's a very simple process.. The team that wants him either pays the £35m release clause.. Or he doesn't leave, it's literally that simple.. I'd like to see us take that approach too as he'd be an asset in the championship and would arguably be the best midfielder in the league (based on age and what he's done already with regards to the champs league and internationally)

 

[N20 Blade]

I hope we keep Berge.

He needs a decent manager to bring out he best in him, especially consistently.

At times, with the ball at his feet, he looks like Maradona.

At other times, he just looks like Madonna.

Maradona? I must have blinked and missed that.

 

[PokerBlade]

Regards him leaving, it's a very simple process.. The team that wants him either pays the £35m release clause.. Or he doesn't leave, it's literally that simple.. I'd like to see us take that approach too as he'd be an asset in the championship and would arguably be the best midfielder in the league (based on age and what he's done already with regards to the champs league and internationally)

It's not quite that simple. There's nothing stopping us from accepting less. In theory we could get more.

Honestly, my scepticism is that he would be the best midfielder in the Championship. I've seen a few quality moments from him, but I'm yet to see him have a good 90 minutes, let alone an outstanding one. He's a passenger most of the time, and when he gets on the ball he's very slow and deliberate with it. Which is fine, he's not had a good team and enough movement around him, he's a young lad adapting to the Prem, but it doesn't point to the best in the Championship, let alone £35m.

 

[Danetheblade]

It's not quite that simple. There's nothing stopping us from accepting less. In theory we could get more.

Honestly, my scepticism is that he would be the best midfielder in the Championship. I've seen a few quality moments from him, but I'm yet to see him have a good 90 minutes, let alone an outstanding one. He's a passenger most of the time, and when he gets on the ball he's very slow and deliberate with it. Which is fine, he's not had a good team and enough movement around him, he's a young lad adapting to the Prem, but it doesn't point to the best in the Championship, let alone £35m.

IMO it really is. he has a release clause, they either meet it or he stays, he's under contract so hasn't got much of a choice if we played hard ball.. And he strikes me as the kinda guy who'd just take it on the chin and get on with it. He is a passenger most of the time.. However look at what he's playing with, he's not exactly playing in a team who're playing any form of football.. I think the league below will give him the extra time on the ball to really get his head up and crack on.. And i really REALLY do hope he stays as he'd be a good player to build a team around.

 

[PokerBlade]

IMO it really is. he has a release clause, they either meet it or he stays, he's under contract so hasn't got much of a choice if we played hard ball.. And he strikes me as the kinda guy who'd just take it on the chin and get on with it. He is a passenger most of the time.. However look at what he's playing with, he's not exactly playing in a team who're playing any form of football.. I think the league below will give him the extra time on the ball to really get his head up and crack on.. And i really REALLY do hope he stays as he'd be a good player to build a team around.

If the highest bid were £30m then personally I think we should take it.

I think it's telling though that the hope about him is still potential, getting him more time on the ball, and not any of the performances we've actually seen from him. As a comparison, you could point to games last season where Lundstram was outstanding. I can't point to a game where Berge's had a good 90 minutes, he's been okay at best. I'm not meaning to tear him down but were it not for the hype he came with there's no way anyone would be giving him this price tag.

 

[Balham]

Yeah, true. I am just saying what I saw. I dont for once believe it. They are all getting excited because they think they can get him dead cheap.

No he just passes it sideways and backwards.

To a teammate with greater frequency than any other United player has this season.

Berge is not a good player in a team set up to concede possession and territory. He's not good enough defensively either in engagements or positioning. We are set up that way: if we have 40% possession in a game it's unusual. Put Berge in a team which doesn't treat the ball like a hand grenade and he'd do a lot better.

 

[Nosworthys Throw]

Unless youve seen him smashing lines off the back of a bog i dunno how you can compare him to Maradona!

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I'd love someone to pull up some footage of that, because it was all in the games that I've somehow missed.

Maradona? I must have blinked and missed that.

I did say "at times"

He has great close control and I've seen him several times ride out challenges and progress with the ball seemingly glued to his feet

Not often, granted

 

[Danetheblade]

If the highest bid were £30m then personally I think we should take it.

I think it's telling though that the hope about him is still potential, getting him more time on the ball, and not any of the performances we've actually seen from him. As a comparison, you could point to games last season where Lundstram was outstanding. I can't point to a game where Berge's had a good 90 minutes, he's been okay at best. I'm not meaning to tear him down but were it not for the hype he came with there's no way anyone would be giving him this price tag.

see.. I agree there.. I'd only accept an offer of around 30m. 5m away from his release clause. I don't think he's been solid if im honest, however he has a superior pedigree than most if not all of our squad. He's 21 years old, plays international football and has experience of the champions league. That alone dictates most of his fee. I don't think many will be put off by this season (maybe his injury) but i can't see many being fussed about his performances.. It's a notoriously difficult league, nevermind for a young lad to come over then get hit by covid THEN getting injured.

 

[RecordBreakers]

My Evertonian mates reckon his relegation release clause is just 15m.....and we have to give Genk % of that....

And scousers talk more bollox than mancs

 

[PokerBlade]

see.. I agree there.. I'd only accept an offer of around 30m. 5m away from his release clause. I don't think he's been solid if im honest, however he has a superior pedigree than most if not all of our squad. He's 21 years old, plays international football and has experience of the champions league. That alone dictates most of his fee. I don't think many will be put off by this season (maybe his injury) but i can't see many being fussed about his performances.. It's a notoriously difficult league, nevermind for a young lad to come over then get hit by covid THEN getting injured.

Yeah, that's fair enough. Pricewise the injury might have helped. He's not had to be a part of this mess and take a share of the blame. The obvious angle to this is that Premier League players do move for stupid figures at times and we'd be fools not to take advantage of it by demanding a big fee. Part of me really wants to see him stay and develop into the player people think he might be, the other part of me hears all this talk about drop in revenue, needing to make up £40m, and thinks that shipping out Berge would be a very easy solution.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Regards him leaving, it's a very simple process.. The team that wants him either pays the £35m release clause.. Or he doesn't leave, it's literally that simple.. I'd like to see us take that approach too as he'd be an asset in the championship and would arguably be the best midfielder in the league (based on age and what he's done already with regards to the champs league and internationally)

It's not that simple though, if the release isn't met we can still sell him if we find the offer is acceptable. I think anything north of £18m-ish and he'll be out the door.

 

[Danetheblade]

It's not that simple though, if the release isn't met we can still sell him if we find the offer is acceptable. I think anything north of £18m-ish and he'll be out the door.

No no, you mistake what I mean, I'm meaning if the prince/board are determined to keep him. It'll be a case of meet the release fee or he stays.

 

[Houston_Blade]

No no, you mistake what I mean, I'm meaning if the prince/board are determined to keep him. It'll be a case of meet the release fee or he stays.

That sounds like a good way of cutting our nose off to spite our face. Gerrimselt

 

[Danetheblade]

That sounds like a good way of cutting our nose off to spite our face. Gerrimselt

Maybe, Though if he sticks around and pushes on and helps us towards promotion then it'd be a worthwhile investment. I just don't want to see the squad get obliterated of talent and just the dregs left. I think we need some youth, but I see where you're coming from regards selling him. I'd just much prefer to see us sell him for more than we initially paid.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Maybe, Though if he sticks around and pushes on and helps us towards promotion then it'd be a worthwhile investment. I just don't want to see the squad get obliterated of talent and just the dregs left. I think we need some youth, but I see where you're coming from regards selling him. I'd just much prefer to see us sell him for more than we initially paid.

I think I'd like to see him in the Championship, I think he'd be a decent player. But I'm not that sure, he's not the world beater I expected and his signing coincided with us turning shit.

 

[Danetheblade]

I think I'd like to see him in the Championship, I think he'd be a decent player. But I'm not that sure, he's not the world beater I expected and his signing coincided with us turning shit.

I think he'd be a quality player in the league below. Similar level to the pro league maybe? I didn't expect a ready made world beater, i did expect some teething issues. One thing I will say.. I think if you took covid out of the situation he'd have been a different player altogether. It did.. However it's unfair to pin the whole team going shite on him, I think it was a collective as evidenced by the fact we've been shite all this season and Sanders barely played.

 

[mattbianco1]

I'd love someone to pull up some footage of that, because it was all in the games that I've somehow missed.

For a big guy, he's remarkably nimble on his feet and very skilful



Another example is at 2:15 in this clip

 

[Penny Black tart]

My Evertonian mates reckon his relegation release clause is just 15m.....and we have to give Genk % of that....

So your Evertonian mates know more about his release clause than our board of directors who have told us it was reduced from £45m to £35m following relegation, either stop talking daft or stop shit stirring.

 

[Withington Blade]

My Evertonian mates reckon his relegation release clause is just 15m.....and we have to give Genk % of that....

Our board have been known to make some very questionable decisions in the past, but setting Bergh’s release clause at £7m less than we reportedly paid for him would be baffling, even by their standards!

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

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Always suspected yours was a Woodwardfan burner account.

Now I know. Fact!

 

[Houston_Blade]

I think he'd be a quality player in the league below. Similar level to the pro league maybe? I didn't expect a ready made world beater, i did expect some teething issues. One thing I will say.. I think if you took covid out of the situation he'd have been a different player altogether. It did.. However it's unfair to pin the whole team going shite on him, I think it was a collective as evidenced by the fact we've been shite all this season and Sanders barely played.

I'm still in the camp of "prove to me he's decent". On the evidence of what I've seen in a Blades shirt he's been very 'Meh' so far. He does a few good things and a few bad things.

I keep hearing these things about his physical prowess, but he seems to be weak for a 6ft 5" bloke to me. I hear he's quick, maybe I've missed that as well, the only time he's tried running fast he's snapped his hamstring. I'll give you that he looks pleasing on the eye when he carried the ball, but that's more his stature and gait than anything else.

I really want to like him but he's done absolutely nothing so far to make me think we've signed a star.

I know it's not his fault we're shit, I was being a bit controversial with that but points with him in the team this season = 1 (I think) without him we've got 16 and that's with the most immobile midfield in the history of PL football playing in his place with Peter Pointer, Ram Man and Easter Island head (TM pommpey and Webding)

I really hope he stays, turns out to be amazing and helps us get promoted. I just can't see based on the evidence put before me so far.

Before anyone starts, I'm not interested in youtube clips of what he's done previously, just what he's done for us. If I want a youtube superstar I'll google 'Ravel Morrison'.

 

[bypassblade]

I read other day he had a 12m release clause in his contract, apparently that is wrong the release clause is 35m that would be nice to get or bit more.

 

[Danetheblade]

I'm still in the camp of "prove to me he's decent". On the evidence of what I've seen in a Blades shirt he's been very 'Meh' so far. He does a few good things and a few bad things.

I keep hearing these things about his physical prowess, but he seems to be weak for a 6ft 5" bloke to me. I hear he's quick, maybe I've missed that as well, the only time he's tried running fast he's snapped his hamstring. I'll give you that he looks pleasing on the eye when he carried the ball, but that's more his stature and gait than anything else.

I really want to like him but he's done absolutely nothing so far to make me think we've signed a star.

I know it's not his fault we're shit, I was being a bit controversial with that but points with him in the team this season = 1 (I think) without him we've got 16 and that's with the most immobile midfield in the history of PL football playing in his place with Peter Pointer, Ram Man and Easter Island head (TM pommpey and Webding)

I really hope he stays, turns out to be amazing and helps us get promoted. I just can't see based on the evidence put before me so far.

Before anyone starts, I'm not interested in youtube clips of what he's done previously, just what he's done for us. If I want a youtube superstar I'll google 'Ravel Morrison'.

I get where you're coming from, though I do think he's owed a bit of slack regards his start so far. It must be hard for a youth player to come over away from his family, let alone come in and covid happen. I do think he'll be good once settled and he's shown glimpses of his quality. He just doesn't impose himself as much as I thought he would.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It must be hard for a youth player to come over away from his family, let alone come in and covid happen.

This is the bit we can't quantify and the club can't even be blamed. If it was a 'normal' world and we'd failed in settling him then fair enough, but we've been onto a loser in this respect and it might have really affected his frame of mind.

 

[The Crab]

I get where you're coming from, though I do think he's owed a bit of slack regards his start so far. It must be hard for a youth player to come over away from his family, let alone come in and covid happen. I do think he'll be good once settled and he's shown glimpses of his quality. He just doesn't impose himself as much as I thought he would.

I get the feeling that in a year or two, he's going to be one of those players where we will say "fuck, I didn't know he had that in him" when he's playing for someone else.