CONFIRMED Berge to Burnley

[Bladesman]

So you're happy with the club threatening to freeze him out for the final year unless he signs or moves on nowthen? Because that sounds a lot like bullying to me.

The club gave him the 4 year contract. It's up to him to decide whether to sign a new one or see it out. But reported treats to freeze players out, especially a player who has caused the club no issues, been a model professional and always knuckled down and got on with the job.

If true, it absolutely stinks and is indicative of how badly this club is being run by the current owner.

Why play a player who won't be here beyond on this season then? why build a team around him if he is just going to wander off next summer?

Also, I went on Saturday as soon as Berge was on the end of a bad tackle he started to avoid going in for any at all afterwards. That's what we will get all this season, him being nesh because he will be thinking long term about his next move and avoiding injury.

 

[Yogi]

The thing about players being frozen out which makes it even remotely likely is that we did it with Ndiaye a few years ago.

 

[YES Blade]

So you're happy with the club threatening to freeze him out for the final year unless he signs or moves on nowthen? Because that sounds a lot like bullying to me.

The club gave him the 4 year contract. It's up to him to decide whether to sign a new one or see it out. But reported treats to freeze players out, especially a player who has caused the club no issues, been a model professional and always knuckled down and got on with the job.

If true, it absolutely stinks and is indicative of how badly this club is being run by the current owner.

It’s nothing personal, it’s just business.

We can’t afford to just let a £12m asset walk away for nothing. I’m sure every football player in the world understands that.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

Why play a player who won't be here beyond on this season then? why build a team around him if he is just going to wander off next summer?

Also, I went on Saturday as soon as Berge was on the end of a bad tackle he started to avoid going in for any at all afterwards. That's what we will get all this season, him being nesh because he will be thinking long term about his next move and avoiding injury.

Haha

So we shouldn’t play the following then

Fods
Basham
Baldock
Norwood
Mcburnie
Egan
Bogle
Lowe
Jebbison
Osulu
Osborn
Fleck

 

[DronnieBlade]

Sander has been our best player in pre season.

Looks to have been in the gym a lot !

Big gap to fill

UTB

 

[Freddy Dunning-Kruger]

You might call this a Reverse Ramsdale.

Its a conceptually interesting situation, is it better to take £12M now, or lose him next summer for nothing? It might be in the clubs best long term financial interests to make a dispassionate/clinical decision, rather than rely on the decision of a manager (similar to how it was probably the right decision not to renew Sharp's contract, even if the manager wanted to keep him) - even if that means doing a really shitty thing to Sander Berge.

(To be clear, I'm not saying it is the right decision)

 

[Stretch]

The mail is the only reason I've got for possibly not believing it. The board would absolutely overrule Hecky. He's just said on a public forum he wants Darren Smith to stop being fed info/stop bleating it out on Twitter. Neither have happened.

Well that is true about Dazzer, but I just find it hard to believe that he would them dictate his team selections, which is what they would essentially be doing. Then again it is amateur hour at the moment.

 

[Tingo Fandango]

Why do people act like players “running down their contract” is a slight on the player? He agreed to play for this club for 4 years, and did so without fuss, didn’t ever attempt to force a move, didn’t down tools when we got relegated.

If you sign a contract for a job, and are then offered terms that you don’t think are the best you can get, you would be happy to say “No thanks, I’ll finish my agreed contract here and then explore my options.” would you then expect to be told by your employer that you are being frozen out and essentially suspended from doing your job unless you 1. sign the offered contract, or 2. fuck off now?

Why are footballers, as professionals, held in a different regard to any other profession? I find it pathetic.

Plenty of professionals are put on ‘gardening leave’, essentially frozen out until the contract ends. It’s happening right now with an energy management specialist mate of mine, on a six figure salary. He’s happy enough, taking plenty of hols & weighing up his options.

Ive no issue with Berge leaving, expect him to end up with a champions league team when he does move though. L’pool has a price match deal for him don’t they? Utd need a proper athletic & brave DM, more than a 6’5” possession based player with heading issues.

 

[Smirth]

Why play a player who won't be here beyond on this season then? why build a team around him if he is just going to wander off next summer?

Also, I went on Saturday as soon as Berge was on the end of a bad tackle he started to avoid going in for any at all afterwards. That's what we will get all this season, him being nesh because he will be thinking long term about his next move and avoiding injury.

Where does it end then? Don't play someone who has 2 years left on his contract in case they sign a pre-contract deal with someone in 18 months time? The club have known the position with contracts for a long time and let it happen. We're letting it happen again now with others in the squad because we don't learn.

What about giving the management team the best chance of trying to keep this team in the league rather than selling all his assets despite him repeatedly saying he wants to keep the squad together?

And as for Berge avoiding bad tackles - maybe he just didn't want to get injured in a pre season friendly? His commitment to this club has been exemplary, and the attempts going on now from some quarters to vilify him are really poor (not saying this is what you're doing btw). He's never been a tough tackling, all action midfielder - that's not the sort of player he is which we knew when we signed him!

 

[MojoMuffin]

Why play a player who won't be here beyond on this season then? why build a team around him if he is just going to wander off next summer?

Also, I went on Saturday as soon as Berge was on the end of a bad tackle he started to avoid going in for any at all afterwards. That's what we will get all this season, him being nesh because he will be thinking long term about his next move and avoiding injury.

Stuttgart were flying into challenges and closing us down very aggressively. I'm not sure what the score line was at the incident you elude to but as a player hoping to be a regular starter in the Premier league in a weeks time, I'd probably look after my legs too in a pre-season friendly.

 

[YES Blade]

Haha

So we shouldn’t play the following then

Fods
Basham
Baldock
Norwood
Mcburnie
Egan
Bogle
Lowe
Jebbison
Osulu
Osborn
Fleck

The difference is that they aren’t worth much money and I doubt there would be much interest in them if we tried to sell them.

It’s our choice for the majority of those players to only have a 1 year contract, with Berge it’s his choice. Massive difference!

 

[mattbianco1]

It’s nothing personal, it’s just business.

We can’t afford to just let a £12m asset walk away for nothing. I’m sure every football player in the world understands that.

Not quite as simple, but...

If you have a Rolex that's worth £15K, but the market is crashing and you know that it will be worth half that in 9 months time, do you sell now or gamble that the price will come back up?

 

[gaffablade]

It’s not the what’s it’s the how’s. The players are on the floor right now. KO

So we rebuild.

We have Fleck/Ozzy/Slimane/Berge/Norwood. With the monies raised, we could be looking at-

Slimane/Hamer/O'Brien/Souza/Norwood. I know which id rather have for the next 3 seasons.....

Cant make an omelette without breaking an egg.

 

[BrisBlade]

I defend the club more than most usually, but I'm a bit disturbed by what's being reported. If Berge was happy to run down his contract that is his prerogative. He's under no obligation to us after his contract finishes no matter what any of us would like him to do.

Threatening to actively ruin his career (the only logical intent of freezing him out) if he din't sign a new contract or agree to a move is tantamount to coercion. It is basic bullying and every bit as reprehensible as a player downing tools after signing a pre-contract.

If this is how we're treating players and word gets out I wouldn't expect many to want to come here. I hope it's just the gutter press being the gutter press.

 

[jono_t2000]

Why do people act like players “running down their contract” is a slight on the player? He agreed to play for this club for 4 years, and did so without fuss, didn’t ever attempt to force a move, didn’t down tools when we got relegated.

If you sign a contract for a job, and are then offered terms that you don’t think are the best you can get, you would be happy to say “No thanks, I’ll finish my agreed contract here and then explore my options.” would you then expect to be told by your employer that you are being frozen out and essentially suspended from doing your job unless you 1. sign the offered contract, or 2. fuck off now?

Why are footballers, as professionals, held in a different regard to any other profession? I find it pathetic.

I'm glad you see it as I think Bladesman really struggles to see the simple concept.

Like I said previously some people think that if a club can't find a buyer to meet their valuation and then the player enters the last year of their contact THEY MUST SIGN A NEW CONTRACT OR ELSE.

Its reactive thinking, rather than proactive thinking

Then to punish the player (and the manager - Yes Hecky did storm out of training early yesterday at the news) by freezing him out for something that he's just stuck to his word about and isn't his fault what so ever.

 

[Wireblade]

A bigger concern is what the other players are thinking looking around the dressing room and seeing the 2 most talented players sold right before the season starts. Would anybody blame Anel, Egan or Baldock if they decided that the club’s ambition didn’t match theirs and try and get a move themselves?

 

[Bladesman]

Why do people act like players “running down their contract” is a slight on the player? He agreed to play for this club for 4 years, and did so without fuss, didn’t ever attempt to force a move, didn’t down tools when we got relegated.

If you sign a contract for a job, and are then offered terms that you don’t think are the best you can get, you would be happy to say “No thanks, I’ll finish my agreed contract here and then explore my options.” would you then expect to be told by your employer that you are being frozen out and essentially suspended from doing your job unless you 1. sign the offered contract, or 2. fuck off now?

Why are footballers, as professionals, held in a different regard to any other profession? I find it pathetic.

Because they have parasites as agents advising them not to sign a new deal unless it's something above and beyond what a club can afford. That's why. It's players who choose to operate this way rather than opting for the PFA to represent them. Instead they have some snake in the grass no mark former footballer to manage their career and finances.

A club takes all the financial risk, the risk of the player being injured for extended periods of time and then has the additional risk of the player not signing a new deal and walking for free.

 

[gaffablade]

Haha

So we shouldn’t play the following then

Fods
Basham
Baldock
Norwood
Mcburnie
Egan
Bogle
Lowe
Jebbison
Osulu
Osborn
Fleck

Stop being a big baby.

 

[1987]

What do you not understand about the guy wanting to sell up and fuck off? Nobody seemingly wants to buy the club.

I'm not on anyone's side but McCabe used to sell everyone at the first bid.

He could hide away like many owners do. He openly comes on a fans run youtube channel and speaks to the fans and answers our questions directly.

If Sander doesn't want to sign then do we keep him and lose him for nowt? I thought Ndiaye could keep us up but Berge won't so we if can sell him and get a few in then go for it.

If at the end of August we've got nobody then fair enough I'll be as pissed off as the rest but I'd but not kicking off about anything wrote in that shit rag.

Selling for a price we clearly aren't ever going to achieve. Let's be honest about this "talk to fans".

It's pure PR mate, it's a rose tinted look on all he does with positive, never in the wrong, reasons for everything attitude. He isn't really one for taking reaponsibility. It's all spin. Fair enough, he's given the platform and smiles and laughs whilst he does it, but we should at least see it for what it is. I'm not a prince "hater", but it's surely clear as day.

Look at where we are days before the season starts, against a team we should be targeting. We are in disarray. Why shouldn't we be fucked off with that just on its own? It points to a total and utter lack of a clue to me. Hecky was bemoaning the lack of players before we sold Sander FFS.

I get that it can all turn around, hey come the end of August we might all be raving, but it's far more likely that's not the case and we'll be a weaker team than the one that got promoted. And burning through two games we should be getting points while they get their act together is unforgivable to me.

 

[Bladesman]

I'm glad you see it as I think Bladesman really struggles to see the simple concept.

Like I said previously some people think that if a club can't find a buyer to meet their valuation and then the player enters the last year of their contact THEY MUST SIGN A NEW CONTRACT OR ELSE.

Its reactive thinking, rather than proactive thinking

Then to punish the player (and the manager - Yes Hecky did storm out of training early yesterday at the news) by freezing him out for something that he's just stuck to his word about and isn't his fault what so ever.

So we keep playing him then and let him go for free. Good plan.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

The difference is that they aren’t worth much money and I doubt there would be much interest in them if we tried to sell them.

It’s our choice for the majority of those players to only have a 1 year contract, with Berge it’s his choice. Massive difference!

Can see why your name is YES blade

 

[jono_t2000]

So we keep playing him then and let him go for free. Good plan.

You're blaming Berge, i can source multiple times you've shifted it onto him.

He's been happy to go in any window if United found a buyer, he's been happy to stay and slog it out until the end of his contract if not.

What more do you want from the lad ffs.

 

[alcoblade]

Haha

So we shouldn’t play the following then

Fods
Basham
Baldock
Norwood
Mcburnie
Egan
Bogle
Lowe
Jebbison
Osulu
Osborn
Fleck

Are they refusing to sign new contracts?

 

[Eric_Brooks]

So we keep playing him then and let him go for free. Good plan.

so a good plan is to let him go before we sign his replacement?

When do we sign Illys replacement by the way?

Why is it we have to wait until the end of the window, yet we give Burnley berge now?

Good plan

 

[Bladesman]

You're blaming Berge, i can source multiple times you've shifted it onto him.

He's been happy to go in any window if United found a buyer, he's been happy to stay and slog it out until the end of his contract if not.

What more do you want from the lad ffs.

Well we have found a buyer now. What we wanted was to keep him really hence the new deal.

I am not blaming Berge maybe more so his agent who is advising him not to sign. That said whats the point him being in the squad if he is going?

 

[alcoblade]

You're blaming Berge, i can source multiple times you've shifted it onto him.

He's been happy to go in any window if United found a buyer, he's been happy to stay and slog it out until the end of his contract if not.

What more do you want from the lad ffs.

Presumably the club want him to sign a contract - and he's clearly not interested in doing so.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

Are they refusing to sign new contracts?

What contract offer has berge refused to sign?

 

[ADeP]

The source being [Mail] is laughable, wouldn't believe that at all. Why would you "freeze out" arguably your best midfielder...

 

[Smirth]

Well we have found a buyer now. What we wanted was to keep him really hence the new deal.

I am not blaming Berge maybe more so his agent who is advising him not to sign. That said whats the point him being in the squad if he is going?

Would you advise your client to sign a new contract with this shit show of a football club right now?

 

[Eric_Brooks]

The source being [Mail] is laughable, wouldn't believe that at all. Why would you "freeze out" arguably your best midfielder...

The mail didn’t break it