CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale leaves for Bournemouth

[Fiery Blade]

I watch the U18 and U23s regular and have been tipping Ramsdale and DCL for the PL for years. I think Ramsdale would've been on a lot less than the figures you quote at United, but would have wanted a senior players wage to consider signing again.. We couldn't have stood in his way (or indeed any young players) but we could have strengthened our negotiating position. Its about realising value so we can improve our own position - I don't think we have with this transfer.. Ultimately any young player that you think has Pl potential has to be signed to a long deal because the potential upside is huge when compared to the negligible cost. Anybody who watched Rambo knew within a few months that he was destined for bigger things, its inconceivable that we have somehow arrived at this situation.

Bolton didn't !

 

[nopigfansintown]

Bolton didn't !

Perhaps decisions like that at least partly accounts for their perilous financial position. Not the model the blades should be following, that's for sure.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Perhaps if we were a Premier League club attracting 11,000 fans per week we could afford to keep him on much higher wages and a longer contract !

Who said anything about competing with PL Bournemouth? I'm talking years ago. Since then I think we've offered contracts to three goalkeepers. Horse had long since bolted yesterday.

 

[Mickey Jupp]

If we have to sell young players to pay the bills, I despair. No doubt it is a good move for the player but if we are ambitious we need to persuade the players that their future in the higher leagues can be with us. Otherwise we have become just another League one team.

 

[BushBlade]

Who said anything about competing with PL Bournemouth? I'm talking years ago. Since then I think we've offered contracts to three goalkeepers. Horse had long since bolted yesterday.

So at what point did Ramsdale look good? We signed him on a three year contract in 2014. At that point he can't have been mustard or bigger clubs would have snapped him up.
When did he start to look like he was going to be something special? And did we offer him a contract at that point and, if not, how long did we leave it?

Which Nigel's watch was it under?

 

[nopigfansintown]

So at what point did Ramsdale look good? We signed him on a three year contract in 2014. At that point he can't have been mustard or bigger clubs would have snapped him up.
When did he start to look like he was going to be something special? And did we offer him a contract at that point and, if not, how long did we leave it?

Which Nigel's watch was it under?

He looked excellent within his first season playing for us. He had weaknesses but then who doesn't. His weaknesses were things that all young goalkeepers have as their body develops, such as kicking. His shot stopping, command of his area, communication, saving one on ones, general mentality, were always top drawer. He seemed to grow quite a bit taller and fill out during this period, which maybe accounts for Bolton letting him go. There's also pressing financial problems there and they may have had to reduce squad size. I haven't seen a youth team keeper that's impressed me more. I was disappointed that Long got new contract, as I thought Ramsdale would have been no2 from the start of the season. That decision may have been necessitated due to Ramsdale's contract situation. Why improve someone else's player?

 

[finlaytheblade]

So at what point did Ramsdale look good? We signed him on a three year contract in 2014. At that point he can't have been mustard or bigger clubs would have snapped him up.
When did he start to look like he was going to be something special? And did we offer him a contract at that point and, if not, how long did we leave it?

Which Nigel's watch was it under?

He couldn't sign a three year contract at 14,Bolton academy released him favouring ex goalie jasquelines son
Probably spelt that wrong.He shot up after leaving Bolton I bet they regret letting him go.United have an excellent academy run by experienced people and will know when they have a nugget but as I said agents are cunning people and know when they have a future star on there books
But I take it fans are thinking United are niev, I don't subscribe to that view.

 

[Baw Heid]

Not a waste of time for those that work there or those who've become professional footballers after being there and all those who watch the games and take pleasure from the success these kids have.
Certainly not a waste of time when we get into the FA Youth Cup final and have a massive turn out to watch them.

If a club has little community involvement, what's the point? We may as well all support Man U. I'm proud of the academy, one of the few things we do well (along with the other stuff we do to engage with the community).

Waste of money? Well I'd be surprised if it wasn't breaking even at least and we still need the facilities. If it is costing us serious money then you have a point but I've yet to see anything that indicates it is.

You are so right about this. we have a cat2 Academy that is respected in football and it attracts lads who have the belief in their ability. Ramsdale is a perfect example

 

[Heaton moor blade]

Ramsdale is a great keeper, Bournemouth came in last min and gazumpt a few big clubs Everton being one.. Great deal for the lad similar to DCL who is doing good things at Everton.. Lookman from a club in same division, played a few scored a few went for 10 mil? Ramsdale and DCL Deals worth 1.5 each tops add ons included .played differently could we have got more? We are selling our biggest assets that's the reality of it not only that we are selling for peanuts! Be interesting to see Cha Ramsdale and DCLs price tags at the end of the season

 

[Baw Heid]

So at what point did Ramsdale look good? We signed him on a three year contract in 2014. At that point he can't have been mustard or bigger clubs would have snapped him up.
When did he start to look like he was going to be something special? And did we offer him a contract at that point and, if not, how long did we leave it?

Which Nigel's watch was it under?

I started to watch him regularly about two years ago and although he looked the part I thought he had a bit to go. He came on rapidly and by about a year ago he was well on his way. I think he responded to the Bolton situation and I like to think our Academy coaches helped as well. However the most important part of his improvement, in my opinion, was due to the relationship in the Under 18s squad. The more he played behind Cummings and Semple the more he progressed. That years back 5 just gained in confidence and Ramsdale was a big part of it. He does need to play however as any time without a game affects his strong distribution.
So it was clear a year ago that he was a talent and the England set up recognised that as well. I would have hoped we would have tried to tie him in at that time but it might have been rejected. Who knows?

 

[BushBlade]

I started to watch him regularly about two years ago and although he looked the part I thought he had a bit to go. He came on rapidly and by about a year ago he was well on his way. I think he responded to the Bolton situation and I like to think our Academy coaches helped as well. However the most important part of his improvement, in my opinion, was due to the relationship in the Under 18s squad. The more he played behind Cummings and Semple the more he progressed. That years back 5 just gained in confidence and Ramsdale was a big part of it. He does need to play however as any time without a game affects his strong distribution.
So it was clear a year ago that he was a talent and the England set up recognised that as well. I would have hoped we would have tried to tie him in at that time but it might have been rejected. Who knows?

Cheers mate. That's kind of what I expected. It seems we might have been caught on the hop a bit and as we were realising he was good and offering a new contract he was realising he might be too good for us and his agent was saying 'don't rush into anything'.

 

[Baw Heid]

Cheers mate. That's kind of what I expected. It seems we might have been caught on the hop a bit and as we were realising he was good and offering a new contract he was realising he might be too good for us and his agent was saying 'don't rush into anything'.

You could be right and after his experience with Bolton you can understand his position. He can still make mistakes but they are usually down to him trying to do to much. He learns from his mistakes and that's why I'm sure he will feature for Bournemouth this year particularly since they failed to land the Chelsea second string. So good business for Bournemouth and I hope we have sell on clauses and first team appearances in the deal

 

[BushBlade]

You could be right and after his experience with Bolton you can understand his position. He can still make mistakes but they are usually down to him trying to do to much. He learns from his mistakes and that's why I'm sure he will feature for Bournemouth this year particularly since they failed to land the Chelsea second string. So good business for Bournemouth and I hope we have sell on clauses and first team appearances in the deal

Yes, I saw the recent game where he tried to prevent a corner....

Tbh, he's probably better away from our lot. We're a bit harsh at the moment due to being in L1 too long, it's not a great environment for bringing kids through. One minute they're 'one of our own', the next they're 'fucking useless'.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Mixed emotions on this.

But the one that stands out the most, whatever the reasons behind it and the express wishes of the players themselves is that this year we have sold the 3 players in the squad, all of a young age, where we have received £1m +.

In fact, as it turns out, the only 3 players who could realistically command such a fee.

We need to stop fishing in this puddle and get out of this fucking division so we can again fish in the sea !
UTB

I agree mate, I have mixed emotions too. I wish we could have seen him progress for a year or two more here, I was really looking forward to seeing him at the Lane. I think he's going to be a fantastic talent.

I think my feelings are mixed in that previous sales of top youngsters (e.g. Kyles, Maguire) have hit the team harder as they were established first teamers really doing the business. Aaron wasn't, and that's why its a little easier to take. Still sad we won't see him break our first team though.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

I just wonder how much Moors undisclosed fee was compeared to the young Ramsdales undisclosed fee ?

 

[nopigfansintown]

I just wonder how much Moors undisclosed fee was compeared to the young Ramsdales undisclosed fee ?

Been led to believe less than 300k up front, which is outstanding business imo. There are clauses contingent on promotion etc. His wages will no doubt be much more than Ramsdale's coming from a championship team.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Academy has been a profitable venture thus far. I'm paraphrasing Kevin McCabe in May 2016. We've sold DCL, Che and Ramsdale since then.

He also said we'd be in Europe in 5 years, 10 years ago. He said that we weren't selling Beattie he just had the flu. He said we wouldn't sell the two kyles. He said we had game changing investment. He said we didn't "need" to sell our young players anymore

 

[albinonick]

He couldn't sign a three year contract at 14,Bolton academy released him favouring ex goalie jasquelines son
Probably spelt that wrong.He shot up after leaving Bolton I bet they regret letting him go.United have an excellent academy run by experienced people and will know when they have a nugget but as I said agents are cunning people and know when they have a future star on there books
But I take it fans are thinking United are niev, I don't subscribe to that view.

Aaron had a great relationship with academy goalie coach Jamie Annerson and first team goalie coach Wardieboth of them bought out the best in himHe signed a ONE year deal in june with a one year option. His agent told Aaron he had plenty of time and keep his head down work hard and take his chance when it came

 

[robbiez666]

People don't seem to understand. Most footballers have a very short career. Few make it to a position where they'll earn high wages. Most have limited qualifications and very few career prospects after.

Aaron had 6 months left on his contract and was obviously on very low wages. He could sign another contract with us where he's cover for Moore and unlikely to play regularly, if at all, for years. Or, he could sign for a better academy with better coaches and facilities. For a premiership club. For 4.5 years. He could break his leg tomorrow for us and that's him over. No money, no compensation. nothing.

 

[Revolution]

People don't seem to understand. Most footballers have a very short career. Few make it to a position where they'll earn high wages. Most have limited qualifications and very few career prospects after.

Aaron had 6 months left on his contract and was obviously on very low wages. He could sign another contract with us where he's cover for Moore and unlikely to play regularly, if at all, for years. Or, he could sign for a better academy with better coaches and facilities. For a premiership club. For 4.5 years. He could break his leg tomorrow for us and that's him over. No money, no compensation. nothing.

All of this is true.

But you ignore the fact that we are told Ramsdale did not ask for a move. The club accepted an offer and presented it to him.

 

[sheffielder]

All of this is true.

But you ignore the fact that we are told Ramsdale did not ask for a move. The club accepted an offer and presented it to him.

But you get more money now than you get in 6 months when a guy who hasn';t played a league game is out of contract.

 

[Revolution]

But you get more money now than you get in 6 months when a guy who hasn';t played a league game is out of contract.

Did we make him an offer? If we did and he rejected it, fine. If we flogged him before doing so, that's not such a good decision.

 

[blades78]

Out of interest has anyone seen much of Jake Eastwood? All I know is he is 20 years old and had a loan spell at Gainsborough.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

To combat thisUnited have adapted the academy into one which targets older players who have fallen by the wayside (Hirst, Ramsdale, Whiteman, Brookes, Che Adams, Kirmani Smith etc). They finish their youth development at Shirecliffe before, hopefully, progressing to the seniors or making the club money. We sometimes pay fees for these players, particularly if there sourced from non league and already on pro/semi pro deals. the traditional rout has many pitfalls due to EPPP as you've stated but we still had DCL break through recently.

Yeah I think the club have reacted quite well by looking at the approach you identify. But if we can reach Cat A status and use EPPP to our favour, the academy will surely be worth it’s weight in gold as we would be able to attract all of the top young talent in the region.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Ramsdale is a great keeper, Bournemouth came in last min and gazumpt a few big clubs Everton being one.. Great deal for the lad similar to DCL who is doing good things at Everton.. Lookman from a club in same division, played a few scored a few went for 10 mil? Ramsdale and DCL Deals worth 1.5 each tops add ons included .played differently could we have got more? We are selling our biggest assets that's the reality of it not only that we are selling for peanuts! Be interesting to see Cha Ramsdale and DCLs price tags at the end of the season

I just hope we have decent sell on clauses for all 3 given their age and potential.


Hopefully, Walker and Maguire might move on at some point for big bucks which could benefit us too.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I agree mate, I have mixed emotions too. I wish we could have seen him progress for a year or two more here, I was really looking forward to seeing him at the Lane. I think he's going to be a fantastic talent.

I think my feelings are mixed in that previous sales of top youngsters (e.g. Kyles, Maguire) have hit the team harder as they were established first teamers really doing the business. Aaron wasn't, and that's why its a little easier to take. Still sad we won't see him break our first team though.

That pretty sums up my feelings. It’s disappointing that we’re selling off every bit of top young talent but at least this season is the first in a long time in which those sales won’t derail our season.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Been led to believe less than 300k up front, which is outstanding business imo. There are clauses contingent on promotion etc. His wages will no doubt be much more than Ramsdale's coming from a championship team.

I read reports of around £250k up front in a deal potentially worth £500k for Moore. Ramsdale sale appears to be £1million plus potential add ons (one of which I hope is a 25% sell on clause).

 

[blades78]

I just hope we have decent sell on clauses for all 3 given their age and potential.


Hopefully, Walker and Maguire might move on at some point for big bucks which could benefit us too.

Very good chance Walker and Maguire will be transfer targets for the big clubs in the summer the way they are playing. If we have 20% clauses inserted, we could be looking at around £10m in the McCabes pocket, sorry I mean the transfer kitty ;-)

 

[blade too long]

love this mans way of getting to the crux

 

[Benitachel]

love this mans way of getting to the crux

Good reply from CW on the situation. He always talks sensibly. I fully accept what he says.