CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale leaves for Bournemouth

[larkymasher]

Aaron had a great relationship with academy goalie coach Jamie Annerson and first team goalie coach Wardieboth of them bought out the best in himHe signed a ONE year deal in june with a one year option. His agent told Aaron he had plenty of time and keep his head down work hard and take his chance when it came

This is where SUFC just dont have the finance to keep a talented player.
In the Summer it was clear the lad would be second choice. At that point they should have torn up his original deal and at least rewarded him financially for his new found position within the club.

At present the club don't seem to want to cough up any kind of reward to our up and coming youngsters to try and keep them. Once they are at a certain value its bye bye to the highest bid for a short term financial gain and fingers crossed another hit when the sell on clause kicks in.

If this is the plan, then just tell the fans the new direction and we all know.

As i have said before, the next one up is Brooks. Contract up in the Summer...... Lets see what happens

 

[larkymasher]

People don't seem to understand. Most footballers have a very short career. Few make it to a position where they'll earn high wages. Most have limited qualifications and very few career prospects after.

Aaron had 6 months left on his contract and was obviously on very low wages. He could sign another contract with us where he's cover for Moore and unlikely to play regularly, if at all, for years. Or, he could sign for a better academy with better coaches and facilities. For a premiership club. For 4.5 years. He could break his leg tomorrow for us and that's him over. No money, no compensation. nothing.

You don't get it, he has not part of any academy any more. He is a pro footballer. Bournemouth can invest more time and money waiting for the lad to be ready where as we can't.
We need the here and now. Maybe in the Summer if we get promoted we can afford to keep our youngsters longer.
But make no mistake, at SUFC there is a raft of young players playing way above their years for our U23s who over the next 12/18 months will be there for the picking.Hence 20/30 scouts at every U23s game we play.

 

[Silent Blade]

Good reply from CW on the situation. He always talks sensibly. I fully accept what he says.

What did he say please

 

[Bert]

What did he say please

Working within a budget, very good deal for the club, money upfront, we are covered it's not like when we sold Deane and JAF on same day at end of March and there is a sell on clause

 

[Silent Blade]

Working within a budget, very good deal for the club, money upfront, we are covered it's not like when we sold Deane and JAF on same day at end of March and there is a sell on clause

Thank you Bert

 

[finlaytheblade]

Thank you Bert

We're sitting ducks to premier league teams pinching our best young players but Id never dreamt Bournemouth would have been up there looking down on us.It's like a nightmare and I want to wake up.

 

[finlaytheblade]

You don't get it, he has not part of any academy any more. He is a pro footballer. Bournemouth can invest more time and money waiting for the lad to be ready where as we can't.
We need the here and now. Maybe in the Summer if we get promoted we can afford to keep our youngsters longer.
But make no mistake, at SUFC there is a raft of young players playing way above their years for our U23s who over the next 12/18 months will be there for the picking.Hence 20/30 scouts at every U23s game we play.

As you say Larky we have a. Number of talented youngsters but at our level we cannot offer inflated contracts to them, maybe next season if we go up it may change.
What fans forget is these lads have agents ( worst thing to ever happen in football),they know when they have a good product and search for the best deal,it maybe best for them in the short term but projecting forward is not always best for the player,a good example is Jordan Slew.Hopefully these young lads will sign on and play for us in the future,most of them are blades fans.

 

[SwissBlade]

love this mans way of getting to the crux

Absolutely correct in what he says. When you see his interviews, you can be sure that he also believes in what he is saying. Especially given that if you go on Youtube, its not hard to find interviews when he has openly slated the policies and constraints at Northampton (i think).

Wilder is realistic. He knows what he needs to do at United. I think where he differs from previous managers, Wilder knows that the only measure of success is League 1 promotion, thats how he's going to be judge come the end of the season and there won't be any excuses from him.

 

[larkymasher]

I read reports of around £250k up front in a deal potentially worth £500k for Moore. Ramsdale sale appears to be £1million plus potential add ons (one of which I hope is a 25% sell on clause).

How does

As you say Larky we have a. Number of talented youngsters but at our level we cannot offer inflated contracts to them, maybe next season if we go up it may change.
What fans forget is these lads have agents ( worst thing to ever happen in football),they know when they have a good product and search for the best deal,it maybe best for them in the short term but projecting forward is not always best for the player,a good example is Jordan Slew.Hopefully these young lads will sign on and play for us in the future,most of them are blades fans.

I understand regarding agents but if the club have a policy of getting these lads up to a specific level to sell on before we play them, then thank god these lads do have an agent. Other wise they would be in the middle of an industry that has no loyalty towards players and where managers and clubs have their own agenda.
Make no mistake Finlay, Clubs, Managers and Players all look after themselves.

 

[Liaminho9]

We're sitting ducks to premier league teams pinching our best young players but Id never dreamt Bournemouth would have been up there looking down on us.It's like a nightmare and I want to wake up.

Every club below mid-table in the Championship are. It's just more noticeable with us because we have a very good academy, so more players are moving. That being said, i do think we often sell too cheaply.

 

[BushBlade]

As you say Larky we have a. Number of talented youngsters but at our level we cannot offer inflated contracts to them, maybe next season if we go up it may change.
What fans forget is these lads have agents ( worst thing to ever happen in football),they know when they have a good product and search for the best deal,it maybe best for them in the short term but projecting forward is not always best for the player,a good example is Jordan Slew.Hopefully these young lads will sign on and play for us in the future,most of them are blades fans.

Why is Slew a good example? If you look at our FA Youth Cup side there's only Maguire who's playing at a higher level. How has staying at the Lane helped Long's career? What about the rest that stayed like Whitehouse, Ironside, MadFadz? At least Slew has made some decent money and is still playing.

There is no benefit from staying at United when we're not going to give them regular first team action.

 

[Baw Heid]

Out of interest has anyone seen much of Jake Eastwood? All I know is he is 20 years old and had a loan spell at Gainsborough.

He had a sound game for the 23s on Wednesday. Got knocked out and taken off but was very brave. Watched him with the Academy on and off and he is a decent player Was behind Ramsdale in the pecking order but the manager rates him and its all a great opportunity for the lad. As one door closes another opens

 

[finlaytheblade]

He had a sound game for the 23s on Wednesday. Got knocked out and taken off but was very brave. Watched him with the Academy on and off and he is a decent player Was behind Ramsdale in the pecking order but the manager rates him and its all a great opportunity for the lad. As one door closes another opens

Eastwood lost almost a full season
( shoulder injury & operation) at about the time Rammers was coming through,he is a promising keeper but dropped down the pecking order due to this, he will now get his chance to shine,could possibly go out on loan again.

 

[finlaytheblade]

How does

I understand regarding agents but if the club have a policy of getting these lads up to a specific level to sell on before we play them, then thank god these lads do have an agent. Other wise they would be in the middle of an industry that has no loyalty towards players and where managers and clubs have their own agenda.
Make no mistake Finlay, Clubs, Managers and Players all look after themselves.

Take your point Larky but football has always been a sport where only a few make it,a lot of safe guards in
place now regarding there futures and United do seem to look after there failed youngsters ( help finding a club) . Still think agents are parasites eating away good money which could br spent more constructively

 

[larkymasher]

Take your point Larky but football has always been a sport where only a few make it,a lot of safe guards in
place now regarding there futures and United do seem to look after there failed youngsters ( help finding a club) . Still think agents are parasites eating away good money which could br spent more constructively

I agree with you Finlay....... but if a young player did not have outside influences regarding his career then every single club would use him, pay him what they wanted and drop him when they wanted.
As i said before the clubs are just as ruthless if not more than agents. IMO.

Ask Paul Mitchell how important agents are to him? Its part of the industry.

 

[larkymasher]

Every club below mid-table in the Championship are. It's just more noticeable with us because we have a very good academy, so more players are moving. That being said, i do think we often sell too cheaply.

Every player on the books has a specific value to the club. Whether its Ramsdale at £1m, or Gilmoor at £100k etc etc.

As a league one club, if that valuation is met by another club then the manager decides whether to sell or not. DCL, Ramsdale, Adams valuation was met and not being in the first team meant it was good business.

What i do agree with is that we should maybe have a higher value on all our players from 17 up like the Charltons, Barnsleys of this world.

 

[Balham]

Every player on the books has a specific value to the club. Whether its Ramsdale at £1m, or Gilmoor at £100k etc etc.

As a league one club, if that valuation is met by another club then the manager decides whether to sell or not. DCL, Ramsdale, Adams valuation was met and not being in the first team meant it was good business.

What i do agree with is that we should maybe have a higher value on all our players from 17 up like the Charltons, Barnsleys of this world.

There's one major difference though Larky - Barnsley and Charlton got multi-millions for their young prospects because they had first team experience. John Stones and Mason Holgate had played 20 games for Barnsley when they moved to Everton for £3m each; Lookman played 50+ games for Charlton.

A better comparator from a United perspective is probably the Kyles - Naughton moved for £5m after 40 games; Walker for £3m after 7 games. You can't really compare Ramsdale at the moment because, as Wilder says, Bournemouth have bought unconfirmed potential. We're really not in a position to be bringing young players through at the moment (much though I'd like us to) because it is all about getting out of this godforsaken league. Next season I'd hope we'll see Semple, Graham, Kelly, Slater, Gilmour, Brooks, Hallam and Smith either pushing for a first team spot or going out on loan to prove themselves.

 

[larkymasher]

There's one major difference though Larky - Barnsley and Charlton got multi-millions for their young prospects because they had first team experience. John Stones and Mason Holgate had played 20 games for Barnsley when they moved to Everton for £3m each; Lookman played 50+ games for Charlton.

A better comparator from a United perspective is probably the Kyles - Naughton moved for £5m after 40 games; Walker for £3m after 7 games. You can't really compare Ramsdale at the moment because, as Wilder says, Bournemouth have bought unconfirmed potential. We're really not in a position to be bringing young players through at the moment (much though I'd like us to) because it is all about getting out of this godforsaken league. Next season I'd hope we'll see Semple, Graham, Kelly, Slater, Gilmour, Brooks, Hallam and Smith either pushing for a first team spot or going out on loan to prove themselves.

I could not agree more Balham and your points are IMO spot on. I, like you hope to see the next batch get some genuine good loan moves next season, especially if we are classed as a Championship club.

My idea of a progressive loan for these players is Conference, L2, L1. It is not Sheffield FC, Stocksbridge, Hallam Etc. The next batch are clearly needing to be pushed higher than our local non league sides.

 

[Lane Ender]

Been led to believe less than 300k up front, which is outstanding business imo. There are clauses contingent on promotion etc. His wages will no doubt be much more than Ramsdale's coming from a championship team.

CW has brought some good players in but also some poor ones Moore is one of them.

 

[Hodgyman]

Fair point, but surely sky suggesting it is 1mill plus add ons is (however slightly) more reputable than me just saying it is 800k?

I trust you much more than Sky. Remember Sky is part of the trustworthy (NOT) Rupert Murdock empire that includes the Sun Newspaper,well known for it's made up stories, phone tapping etc.

 

[Ihadadream]

I could not agree more Balham and your points are IMO spot on. I, like you hope to see the next batch get some genuine good loan moves next season, especially if we are classed as a Championship club.

My idea of a progressive loan for these players is Conference, L2, L1. It is not Sheffield FC, Stocksbridge, Hallam Etc. The next batch are clearly needing to be pushed higher than our local non league sides.

We have to go up to have any chance of keeping the 6/7 young lads that we have that will come through make no mistake about that our 23's are competing with teams playing lads with 4 years more experience and strength. Promotion opens up so many more opportunities in the loan market for them in leagues 1&2 not the conference or Sheffield Fc and Hallam no disrespect to them, these 6/7 lads are well known amongst every Premier league and Championship scout up and down the country.....my fear is we will lose Brooky in the summer much the same way Rammers went.....the opportunity to further develop playing regular 23's football against similar Premier league teams.

 

[larkymasher]

We have to go up to have any chance of keeping the 6/7 young lads that we have that will come through make no mistake about that our 23's are competing with teams playing lads with 4 years more experience and strength. Promotion opens up so many more opportunities in the loan market for them in leagues 1&2 not the conference or Sheffield Fc and Hallam no disrespect to them, these 6/7 lads are well known amongst every Premier league and Championship scout up and down the country.....my fear is we will lose Brooky in the summer much the same way Rammers went.....the opportunity to further develop playing regular 23's football against similar Premier league teams.

Spot on Dream....... For the young lads sake lets hope we get up

 

[1973Blade]

Was with the away fans cheering on the Blades at Oxford yesterday. Once a Blade....

 

[Bladesman]

Was with the away fans cheering on the Blades at Oxford yesterday. Once a Blade....

He certainly was.

 

[Liaminho9]

Huddersfield now looking at signing him either on loan or permanent. Sell on clause?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Huddersfield now looking at signing him either on loan or permanent. Sell on clause?

You wonder whether given the performance of Travers yesterday whether he’s suddenly down to being 4th choice, so there may be some truth in it. He’s certainly impressed at Wimbledon this season.

 

[Pinchy]

I was told we had outstanding young keepers in Ramsdale, Long and Eastwood. I was told we had ‘given Ramsdale away’ on the cheap.

I said ‘Bladey Claptrap’ to all of that nonsense.

Right again.

 

[Luke1993]

You wonder whether given the performance of Travers yesterday whether he’s suddenly down to being 4th choice, so there may be some truth in it. He’s certainly impressed at Wimbledon this season.

I think they will sell begovic, he's been poor. There's been rumours of Jack butland. If he signs he should leave, if not he could be competing with travers for the number 1.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I was told we had outstanding young keepers in Ramsdale, Long and Eastwood. I was told we had ‘given Ramsdale away’ on the cheap.

I said ‘Bladey Claptrap’ to all of that nonsense.

Right again.

Yep, credit where credit’s due, if there’s anything guaranteed about goalkeeping ability it’s that they notoriously peak at age 20.

 

[Pinchy]

Yep, credit where credit’s due, if there’s anything guaranteed about goalkeeping ability it’s that they notoriously peak at age 20.

Let’s see how they go. I’ve seen enough personally. I’m about 23-0 up on the Bladey Boybanders at present.