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English League Table This Century - FootballRates.com

English League Table using results from all league matches in the 21st century
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interesting when people keep telling us how crap we are

100 points more than owls and played 32 games less

only countrie top 5 clubs
worth billions above us
 
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Klaatu Barada Nikto said:
That is the worst metric of success I've ever seen.
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Agree. There must be hundreds of Sunday League sides with more points than this, who can also claim to be the "best". In fact, there's a league at our work that plays about four games per week, so even the middle-placed teams in that league will easily have more than 2000 points this century.

Another terrible measure of success is the "most points gained when losing" table that always pops up during games on Sky. We did reasonably well in that metric last year, simply because we were always losing, so had more chances than any other teams to pick up points from that position.

Sky Blues said:
They don't even know when this century started 😆😂
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Yes, they do.
 
we have performed consistantly the years starting with a 2

but those that like slagging us off will come up with spurious reasons why it doesnt count
but as we are in the 21st century seems rett relevant

what is wrong with using points earned as a metric

some teams have played different number of games , my what a surprise, some teams have fallen out of the league and some are new to it
 
blade too long said:
wht actual exact results and points earned is dodgy ,,, come on then why
prem seasons mean teams play less games, not hard to apply
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Geordie Blade said:
Agree. There must be hundreds of Sunday League sides with more points than this, who can also claim to be the "best". In fact, there's a league at our work that plays about four games per week, so even the middle-placed teams in that league will easily have more than 2000 points this century.
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Geordie Blade said:
Agree. There must be hundreds of Sunday League sides with more points than this, who can also claim to be the "best". In fact, there's a league at our work that plays about four games per week, so even the middle-placed teams in that league will easily have more than 2000 points this century.

Another terrible measure of success is the "most points gained when losing" table that always pops up during games on Sky. We did reasonably well in that metric last year, simply because we were always losing, so had more chances than any other teams to pick up points from that position.



Yes, they do.
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wtf have non league clubs enter the professional league records

that really is a pig infested argument

yes we were shit last season but its coming up 25 seasons of playing
 
blade too long said:
we have performed consistantly the years starting with a 2

but those that like slagging us off will come up with spurious reasons why it doesnt count
but as we are in the 21st century seems rett relevant

what is wrong with using points earned as a metric

some teams have played different number of games , my what a surprise, some teams have fallen out of the league and some are new to it
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Preston, are the 9th best team this century apparently, despite achieving the square root of fuck all.
 



Measuring by pure points tally is a highly redundant metric of success.

As a hypothetical example, you could have a team finish 3rd in the Championship for the last 25 years, missing out on automatic promotion by goal difference only, and then losing in the play offs. An upper play off position tends to require somewhere between 80-90 points each season, so for the sake of argument, I'll assume 85.

85 points for 25 years, works out at 2125 points. Such a team would be in 1st place in that table by more than 300 points, yet would not have won anything in that time.
 
blade too long said:

English League Table This Century - FootballRates.com

English League Table using results from all league matches in the 21st century
footballrates.com footballrates.com

interesting when people keep telling us how crap we are

100 points more than owls and played 32 games less

only countrie top 5 clubs
worth billions above us
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I guess what it does show is that we've won a lot of EFL games in that time.

Apart from that, the huge difference in numbers of games played and across different divisions, makes it pretty pointless.

A team surviving every year in the PL is far more successful in real terms than one winning plenty of League 1 and 2 games.
 
blade too long said:

English League Table This Century - FootballRates.com

English League Table using results from all league matches in the 21st century
footballrates.com footballrates.com

interesting when people keep telling us how crap we are

100 points more than owls and played 32 games less

only countrie top 5 clubs
worth billions above us
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Fuck me. Someone's been reading The Da Vinci Code.

“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything.”

Perhaps you would like to familiarise yourself with the amongst many, many, many other ideas: p-hacking/data dredging, confirmation bias, cherry-picking, sampling bias, etc etc etc (and just the general Enlightenment idea of coherent, rational thought), and then stand in a corner for a very, very, very long time and think about what you've done.

This is the classic place to start:

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This, on the other hand, isn't:

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And I'm not usually a grammar Nazi, but while we're at it it's millennium as in mille (thousand) and annus (year).

Though millenium taken to mean a thousand anuses is probably a fairer reflection of the actual content of OP :)

My horoscope said today would be a test, it really does make you think...

🌜🌟🪐🧙‍♂️
 
Davalon said:
I guess what it does show is that we've won a lot of EFL games in that time.

Apart from that, the huge difference in numbers of games played and across different divisions, makes it pretty pointless.

A team surviving every year in the PL is far more successful in real terms than one winning plenty of League 1 and 2 games.
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we have made the play offs several times and been promoted 4 timeson average every v 3rd year top 6 places
if you dont think its worth anything ,,,, why do we bother at all

we all play against our peers and we ave collected more points than any other efl club, but as you say if you dont care you dont care
is it just the pies that keep you going
 
Sean Thornton said:
Your whole - and generally only - point is that it’s a table that puts us above the Grunters.
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no its a table that hows of 72 EFL clubs over 25 years we have collected the most points
I dont expect Wednesday will have troubled the scorers, as they got over excited getting 53 points last season in the championship ,
 
Sean Thornton said:
Your whole - and generally only - point is that it’s a table that puts us above the Grunters.
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again no its shows us as the biggest points collector in the EFL FULL STOP

ITS NOT HAPPENED IN ANY CHAMPIONSHIP TABLE , THIS CENTURY THE OWLS FINISHING ABOVE US SO ITS NO SURPRISE IS IT
So I cant claim it as a new thing from that aspect

which is why owls are not even remotely mentioned in the opening post
 
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Sean Thornton said:
Your whole - and generally only - point is that it’s a table that puts us above the Grunters.
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On a side point, in the 25 years of the 21st century, United have finished higher than Wednesday in 18 seasons.

Bit of a turn around from the previous 25 years when they were higher 19 seasons to our 6.
 



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