adkins the clown and has to go

[PeteBlade]

its like the other blade we never should have sold
nick blackman

has anyone noticed after his purple patch when he became a superstar we shouldnt have sold , hes not scored a goal since january 2nd
has yet to score for Derby

againj this 40 player thing
name all 40 players that have played for the first team this season

the 40 n includes our under 21 players which dont count
on the official site the bbc and sky 33 is the most you can find

show me a link that shows us having 40 odd in the first team squad

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/sheffield-united-squad-numbers-2598778.aspx
33 squad numbers were issued a lot of these have gone

No one has said we had 40 first team players so that's a straw man argument to begin with. And just because they aren't in the starting 11 doesn't mean they aren't being paid.

It's also a bit odd that you seem to go out of your way to slag off players that we sell. You've done this with Maguire, with Blackman and most recently with Murphy.

You're usually innacurate too.

 

[PeteBlade]

Ah, god knows where the Paul Coutts thread ranks then.

Anyway I'm signing off now, enjoy your evening Pete.

Keep clinging on to that one thing won't you stomper.

 

[PeteBlade]

Its often said united have a bloated squad of over 40
but the official club site says weve only utilised 21

http://www.sufc.co.uk/stats/player-stats/

use appearances on drop bar

the too many argument is way over used
allowing for players going and coming it struggles to get to 30

So you don't think we have/had a bloated squad?

 

[BeatleBlade]

I didnt say we did necessarily have "proper" scouting with Clough. I was disproving the bollocks you were spouting in saying we had no system in place. Right, so you have acknowledged that you were wrong in saying we didn't have one and have changed tact altogether by now saying that rather than not having a system, we didn't have one that worked very well? That I'm much more inclined to agree with, because it's completely different to saying there wasn't one at all.

I got mixed up, whoops sorry, it's been a long day but the point still stands, the scouting network was INADEQUATE and as a result not enough to get us up on £1.5 million pounds like you have suggested.
However, the system was minimal. That's the point I was trying to get at, but if you want to keep playing semantics then keep doing that but I'm sick of it. The difference between what was left and nothing wasn't much different, prompting Adkins to sign players based on his experience.
NO permanent scouts as I've been saying for quite a while now!!!
As the ITK poster said, the players we signed who you criticised were not signed by the new system.
We also picked awful players because the scouting was poor.

However, as I said, a system in place is like a core to the process. What decides which players are looked is entirely separate and depends on the instructions they're given. Not the system as a whole.

Why should Adkins listen to the scout's previous findings (presuming we have several left) if Clough's influence in directing them was so bad? Would you trust their findings from last year? Of course, you're going to go with what you know instead. Alright, it hasn't worked out for Woolford and Hammond but Adkins deemed it a risk worth taking.

We did a lot of scouting around the Blackpool, Derby and Scotland areas for example. All these areas are not full of awful players, we just picked up awful players because of the influence that Clough was having. It takes time to rebuild an entire scouting network I agree, but that's not what he had to do. It takes far less time to adjust things slightly and for the manager to put his influence on things.

Yes we did but not have permanent scouts. We had people working freelance under the direction of the Cloughs, both then departed. It makes for a minimalistic scouting network. The poor scouting was not solely down to Clough's influence, you can blame the scouts themselves too and the fact that we didn't have that many for a club like Sheffield United.
Also, I think with Derby it was mostly just experience rather than new scouting because Coutts and Freeman weren't getting games.
Adkins did have to build a network because the system before was so poor, that is why we got crap players.
Obviously he's not going to go off their findings. Although, in one instance he seems to have rubber stamped a deal and that resulted in Conor Sammon! How did that turn out?

We didn't need slight adjustments, we needed a thorough overhaul. The club has consistently failed in this area for years now and given the amount of money spent and the fact that the results were so poor the idea that we needed slight adjustments is barmy!
If Adkins, a man with experience with top clubs saw the system we had left (whatever was left) as amateurish then I'm inclined to believe it did need a thorough overhaul. Numerous people complained about it on here too.

 

[blade too long]

we had around 10 players we could offload who were sub standard
recent improvements , some are claiming are with this squads players so they can perform if utilised properly

he managed to finally get in one half decent player in Baptiste
but we needed 3 or 4 more
other clubs found them so its not impossible
Scunthorpe being a prime example

 

[PeteBlade]

we had around 10 players we could offload who were sub standard
recent improvements , some are claiming are with this squads players so they can perform if utilised properly

he managed to finally get in one half decent player in Baptiste
but we needed 3 or 4 more
other clubs found them so its not impossible
Scunthorpe being a prime example

And how easy do you think it is to simply "offload" 10 players?

There's a very real and very obvious reason why we didn't sign another 4 players but for some reason you refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[alcoblade]

And how easy do you think it is to simply "offload" 10 players?

There's a very real and very obvious reason why we didn't sign another 4 players but for some reason you refuse to acknowledge it.

If you didn't know otherwise, wouldn't you think you were debating with a school kid?

Something about sharp tools and boxes springs to mind.

UTB

 

[Onetouchfootball]

And how easy do you think it is to simply "offload" 10 players?

There's a very real and very obvious reason why we didn't sign another 4 players but for some reason you refuse to acknowledge it.

Pete,

There is two that should already be starting to pack there training gear and boots into the back of their car, in Flynn & Captain Mc-fuc@up, but won't be anytime soon, and will be here to rub even more salt in the wounds next season. There is plenty that we can off load for nothing, but won't!

 

[PeteBlade]

Pete,

There is two that should already be starting to pack there training gear and boots into the back of their car, in Flynn & Captain Mc-fuc@up, but won't be anytime soon, and will be here to rub even more salt in the wounds next season. There is plenty that we can off load for nothing, but won't!

I do fear that we may end up offering contracts to people we should be getting rid of.

I'd barely keep any of them.

 

[BeatleBlade]

we had around 10 players we could offload who were sub standard
recent improvements , some are claiming are with this squads players so they can perform if utilised properly

he managed to finally get in one half decent player in Baptiste
but we needed 3 or 4 more
other clubs found them so its not impossible
Scunthorpe being a prime example

You can only offload them if people want to take them and the player wants to go.
Baptiste half decent? Come on, he's better than that. Give credit where it's due.
Other clubs with better scouting systems for most of the season found those players, correct. Now we are in a position to get those players we should see the results next season. Hopefully they'll get it right, hopefully the board will give them the funds to do the job.

 

[Onetouchfootball]

I do fear that we may end up offering contracts to people we should be getting rid of.

I'd barely keep any of them.

Pete,

It's nailed on! It's cheaper to offer poor players in both Flynn and the current Captain new deals, than trying to sign out of contract players that would demand signing on fees, increased Agent fees, etc.

And defo a lot cheapeer than trying to sign someone registered for another club!

The two aforementioned players will be here next season for that reason and that reason alone!

 

[Caseh]

selling murphy shjould not have left the void it did
why oh why didnt Adkins bring in a specialist winger , on loan
and dont say the board stopped him, thats not true
he knew we didnt have a similar player , didnt have to be as good , just do a job

I haven't read all the thread because it's just full of shit mostly. But this post hit me with the hypocrisy. Hammond on this board gets slated time and time again, because he isn't some all round midfield dynamo. yet when it comes to a winger, we are happy to replace Murphy with someone that "can just do a job". Excuse me, but can we have some consistency with our outrage please? Can we sign players that can just about do a job, or do we try and improve? But ofc, whichever you decide on, it's Adkins fault. Every manager we've had since relegation is obviously the problem, not the cunt that keeps selling all their playing staff from under the noses. Nope, all down to the managers.

There really is no wonder McCabe loves it here, he makes the fuck ups and it's the people below him get the shit.

 

[super_pig]

I haven't read all the thread because it's just full of shit mostly. But this post hit me with the hypocrisy. Hammond on this board gets slated time and time again, because he isn't some all round midfield dynamo. yet when it comes to a winger, we are happy to replace Murphy with someone that "can just do a job". Excuse me, but can we have some consistency with our outrage please? Can we sign players that can just about do a job, or do we try and improve? But ofc, whichever you decide on, it's Adkins fault. Every manager we've had since relegation is obviously the problem, not the cunt that keeps selling all their playing staff from under the noses. Nope, all down to the managers.

There really is no wonder McCabe loves it here, he makes the fuck ups and it's the people below him get the shit.

yeah but hammond can't do his 'job'

 

[blade too long]

I haven't read all the thread because it's just full of shit mostly. But this post hit me with the hypocrisy. Hammond on this board gets slated time and time again, because he isn't some all round midfield dynamo. yet when it comes to a winger, we are happy to replace Murphy with someone that "can just do a job". Excuse me, but can we have some consistency with our outrage please? Can we sign players that can just about do a job, or do we try and improve? But ofc, whichever you decide on, it's Adkins fault. Every manager we've had since relegation is obviously the problem, not the cunt that keeps selling all their playing staff from under the noses. Nope, all down to the managers.

There really is no wonder McCabe loves it here, he makes the fuck ups and it's the people below him get the shit.

mccabe does make errors , he keeps employiing inadequate managers
but which boards dont make mistakes ,
look at bolton , now thats incompetance , running up 175 m in debt
Im sure it was Adkins who brought in Hammond, explain again how thats MCCABES FAULT

 

[HillmortonBlade]

mccabe does make errors , he keeps employiing inadequate managers
but which boards dont make mistakes ,
look at bolton , now thats incompetance , running up 175 m in debt
Im sure it was Adkins who brought in Hammond, explain again how thats MCCABES FAULT

Just as well MCCABE BROUGHT IN SHARP then

 

[blade too long]

Lets face it Sharp was one of Adkins go to players used him before knew he was a blade
the rest hmmmph

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Im sure it was Adkins who brought in Hammond, explain again how thats MCCABES FAULT

Who brought in Adkins?

 

[PeteBlade]

Lets face it Sharp was one of Adkins go to players used him before knew he was a blade
the rest hmmmph

What's him being a Blade got to do WITH ANYTHING?

 

[blade too long]

What's him being a Blade got to do WITH ANYTHING?

well if hes owrt like us its all he talks about , so hed know he cares
and he wanted to finally prove he could do it for us , after last spell when it didnt happen

 

[HillmortonBlade]

well if hes owrt like us its all he talks about , so hed know he cares
and he wanted to finally prove he could do it for us , after last spell when it didnt happen

Clough should have got him in then, MCCABE should have told him to!

 

[PeteBlade]

well if hes owrt like us its all he talks about , so hed know he cares
and he wanted to finally prove he could do it for us , after last spell when it didnt happen

He's a professional footballer not a fan on the terrace, so it's safe to say he isn't.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Who brought in Adkins?

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Who brought in Adkins?

MCCABE, but the logic below proves this was a good thing, I think

well if hes owrt like us its all he talks about , so hed know he cares
and he wanted to finally prove he could do it for us

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

MCCABE, but the logic below proves this was a good thing, I think

Good answer.
Wrong member!!

Who brought in Adkins?

 

[devine86]

Can i just mention as my first post i seemed to have got a lot of replies PRAISE THE LORD

 

[Eshblade]

I don't get this McCabe out nonsense. He has put millions into the club. Who else would have done that? I ask who do you think will replace him?
Also, we sacked clough to early so I say stick with Adkins until Christmas at least.

 

[PeteBlade]

I don't get this McCabe out nonsense. He has put millions into the club. Who else would have done that? I ask who do you think will replace him?
Also, we sacked clough to early so I say stick with Adkins until Christmas at least.

Since his millions got pumped in we've gone from not challenging the top 6 in the championship to not challenging for the top 6 in League One.

I would imagine that's why.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Can't we just get rid of McCabe by Christmas if next season doesn't pan out?

 

[wizadry]

we have had less managers than Chelsea in the last decade and theyve won 8 trophies

cant see how changing managers makes one blind bit of difference
It really ruined Wednesday 5 years ago chasing us didnt it

Chelsea have chucked bucket loads of money at it, there's no wonder they've won trophies, it's called ambition. They get a good player in before they get rid of one, this is where we tend to struggle. We get rid of our best players and replace them with a player with less ability afterwards most of the time.

Changing managers won't make a blind bit of difference if the board keep doing the same silly mistakes, is that so hard to understand?

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Chelsea have chucked bucket loads of money at it, there's no wonder they've won trophies, it's called ambition. They get a good player in before they get rid of one, this is where we tend to struggle. We get rid of our best players and replace them with a player with less ability afterwards most of the time.

Changing managers won't make a blind bit of difference if the board keep doing the same silly mistakes, is that so hard to understand?

I believe the word is oligarch