adkins the clown and has to go

[PeteBlade]

He did indeed. What does that change? The scouting system they had would still have been there and all SUFC scouts that worked under him did not leave with Clough. That's a fantasy remark that BeatleBlade has made up out of the confines of his own imagination.

Just pointing out who the head scout was. It's quite unusual for clubs to have scouts completely independent from the management, clubs like Stoke and Swansea do but not aware of many that do, so it's not inconceivable that he might be right.

I'm not sure myself. You've clearly no idea either but will argue the point to the death as it suits your agenda against Adkins.

 

[BeatleBlade]

name me 5 games thats excited you
try and get one near the win over forest in the cup

or beating Swindon 2=0 in the league, when we ran them ragged
or our 3=1 win at bristol city

Peterborough away
Bradford home
Gillingham home
Walsall Home
Chesterfield away

Obviously we haven't come close to the Forest game but the two league games you mention are comparable to the ones above. Besides, that Forest game was the season before.

 

[PeteBlade]

what bollocks , we werent reliant on Murphy one bit, he had many poor games and isnt a Brighton ever present
and what progress was there in yesterdays utterly limp display and the 2 0=0 draws we needed to win

Watch many games that season? He's played a lot of games for Brighton.

 

[blade too long]

Why weren't they signed by better clubs then? Why isn't Porter playing a key role in Burnley's title charge? Why isn't Done playing week in week out for Middlesborough?
What are his assists like for Brighton though? He didn't just contribute goals.

Murphy looks better with better plñayers
as would most players
Porter went to the championship with Derby when he was younger

 

[PeteBlade]

there were games when Porter turned games round for us,. and Done turned turned games round for us
where was Murphy in the play off semi , was invisible
he hasnt scored for brighton since feb 23 rd

Stats from the bbc again?

 

[BeatleBlade]

selling murphy shjould not have left the void it did
why oh why didnt Adkins bring in a specialist winger , on loan
and dont say the board stopped him, thats not true
he knew we didnt have a similar player , didnt have to be as good , just do a job

Why wouldn't it have left the void that it did? He was our best player last season.
Yes you do need to get someone as good as him but Adkins had to use the Murphy to not only finance a replacement but also several other areas of the squad lacking any quality. I believe he was trying to get that Liverpool winger in but it didn't work out for some reason, I don't know why.

 

[blade too long]

Peterborough away
Bradford home
Gillingham home
Walsall Home
Chesterfield away

Obviously we haven't come close to the Forest game but the two league games you mention are comparable to the ones above. Besides, that Forest game was the season before.

gillingham home a goal fest of excitement

chesterfield defence was abysmal

 

[blade too long]

Stats from the bbc again?

you do have problems with the truth dont you

 

[BeatleBlade]

Murphy looks better with better plñayers
as would most players
Porter went to the championship with Derby when he was younger

He still managed to get signed by Brighton unlike Done.
Porter did when he was younger but he didn't pull up any trees then and signed for us rather than a better team.

 

[PeteBlade]

selling murphy shjould not have left the void it did
why oh why didnt Adkins bring in a specialist winger , on loan
and dont say the board stopped him, thats not true
he knew we didnt have a similar player , didnt have to be as good , just do a job

Why didn't we bring a specialist winger in but please don't use the actual reason why we didn't.

Classic idiocy.

 

[BeatleBlade]

gillingham home a goal fest of excitement

chesterfield defence was abysmal

We performed well against Gillingham but okay, whatever.
Against Chesterfield we got a clean sheet.

 

[PeteBlade]

you do have problems with the truth dont you

I have problems with the shit you make up.

 

[blade too long]

can any blade tell me in all honesty we have improved under Adkins

our 4th worst finish in our history is down to his stewardship

another fact , but obviously these dont matter to Pete

take a look at a shitty league table

 

[Barney]

No it wasn't a permanent scouting network and it was incredibly limited. Do you really think that the previous scouting network was good enough to get Sheffield United out of League One? If so, why did it fail so badly last season when there was a lot of money to spend?
The scouting system we had left was virtually non existent because it wasn't made up of permanent scouts. The head scout left and we didn't have a replacement until Turnbull turned up.
No I'm not backtracking.

Did every single scout leave when Clough was sacked? Please answer yes so I can laugh. Did the scouting system disappear into mid air when Simon Clough left? A scouting system being in place is one thing, picking up the right types of players at the end of it is entirely another. It is so obvious you don't have a clue about A) scouting or B) the way that football clubs approach it.

 

[alcoblade]

what bollocks , we werent reliant on Murphy one bit,

Are you trying to win an award for talking shite, or are you really this daft?

UTB

 

[blade too long]

we werent reliant , he was a good player but reliant , no club should be reliant on one player
there lies madness
and if we were reliant on him Adkins failed more miserably by not filling the void

if as you say it was common knowledge he was indispensable

 

[BeatleBlade]

Did every single scout leave when Clough was sacked? Please answer yes so I can laugh. Did the scouting system disappear into mid air when Simon Clough left? A scouting system being in place is one thing, picking up the right types of players at the end of it is entirely another. It is so obvious you don't have a clue about A) scouting or B) the way that football clubs approach it.

We didn't have a proper scouting with Clough! We had non permanent scouts who worked freelance and then the head scout left. What direction do they then have? Who are they actually working for? Who are they then reporting back to?
I don't have a clue?! Haha, that is pretty funny coming from yourself.
Answer this, do you honestly believe that the scouting network from last season was acceptable for Sheffield United FC? If so, why did it fail so badly last year?

 

[BeatleBlade]

we werent reliant , he was a good player but reliant , no club should be reliant on one player
there lies madness
and if we were reliant on him Adkins failed more miserably by not filling the void

if as you say it was common knowledge he was indispensable

Exactly, it is daft that we were reliant on him but nonetheless true.
Why hasn't he filled the void? Poor scouting network and not much money as well as other factors.

 

[blade too long]

Exactly, it is daft
Why hasn't he filled the void? Poor scouting network and not much money as well as other factors.

piss poor excuses
there loads of young lads available on loan worth a punt
anythings better than doing nothing about it

instead of wasting months chasing ultimately unavailable players another route should have been chosen by an obsessed Adkins
wanting better players is fine but leaving a void was unacceptable

 

[BeatleBlade]

piss poor excuses
there loads of young lads available on loan worth a punt
anythings better than doing nothing about it

instead of wasting months chasing ultimately unavailable players another route should have been chosen by an obsessed Adkins

As stated before, he tried getting a player in but wouldn't come, not sure why. An ITK poster has said we aren't an attractive place for big clubs to loan players I think but I don't know much more about that. Also, could we afford all those players? There were other priorities in the squad too with the limited amount of money available.
Is anything really better than nothing? We had that policy with Clough signing any player going and we got lumbered with 40 players who are generally not good enough of us, some not good enough for our League or even the one below...

 

[PeteBlade]

piss poor excuses
there loads of young lads available on loan worth a punt
anythings better than doing nothing about

The typical Football Manager response.

 

[Barney]

Answer this, do you honestly believe that the scouting network from last season was acceptable for Sheffield United FC? If so, why did it fail so badly last year?

I didnt say we did necessarily have "proper" scouting with Clough. I was disproving the bollocks you were spouting in saying we had no system in place. But now you have acknowledged that you were wrong in saying we didn't have one and have changed tact altogether by now saying that rather than not having a system, we didn't have one that worked very well? That I'm much more inclined to agree with, because it's completely different to saying there wasn't one at all.

However, as I said, a system in place is like a core to the process. What decides which players are looked is entirely separate and depends on the instructions they're given. Not the system as a whole.

We did a lot of scouting around the Blackpool, Derby and Scotland areas for example. All these areas are not full of awful players, we just picked up awful players because of the influence that Clough was having. It takes time to rebuild an entire scouting network I agree, but that's not what he had to do. It takes far less time to adjust demands slightly and for the manager to put his influence on things.

 

[blade too long]

its like the other blade we never should have sold
nick blackman

has anyone noticed after his purple patch when he became a superstar we shouldnt have sold , hes not scored a goal since january 2nd
has yet to score for Derby

againj this 40 player thing
name all 40 players that have played for the first team this season

the 40 n includes our under 21 players which dont count
on the official site the bbc and sky 33 is the most you can find

show me a link that shows us having 40 odd in the first team squad

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/sheffield-united-squad-numbers-2598778.aspx
33 squad numbers were issued a lot of these have gone

 

[Barney]

The typical Football Manager response.

You always seem to want to bring up football manager, despite nobody ever mentioning it other than you. It's like you've got a bit of a guilty conscience thing going on here.

 

[Finnieston]

But we have. Stats after 45 games don't lie.



https://www.the-newshub.com/football/why-the-stats-do-lie




Spot on. The last few games have masked the general and consistent shittiness of this season. Yesterday's result has been coming for some time. Like when we - extremely fortunately - beat Coventry at home it was another 'pull the rabbit out of the hat' game for Adkins. But the overall trend is there for all to see. This season has been a sorry saga of abject surrender, numerous defeats which - in isolation - would have any team hanging their heads in shame, but have become the norm for United.



Adkins' pathetic attempt to 'change it' has seen 'awkward' players shipped out. When I see a bench consisting of the likes of D C-L, Sammon, Reed etc., are you seriously saying that McNulty wouldn't be a better option? But no. Adkins is 'The Boss' (except where it comes to fitness, tactics and results). He'd probably ship Dele Alli out... And Bob Harris? Worse than the stiffs currently playing? That's why we have 'no depth'. Like the board, he's lost players (easy) without adequately replacing them (much more difficult).

'Barely had any money to spend?' And, Wigan apart, which teams in the play-offs have a bigger budget, resources, crowds, 'pull factor' than United?

As much as I disliked Clough and his tactics, there were signs of 'something' there. With Adkins? Nothing. From the utter cave-in on the opening day at Gillingham to yesterday's no-show, these were typical Adkins performances and have book-ended a season which has included defeats to Bury (twice), Colchester and Shrewsbury at home, Port Vale, Crewe, Rochdale and Southend among others. All teams, to quote you, with 'barely any money to spend'.

The default position for Adkins-defenders is 'who would do a better job?' That's not the point. If NA is in place when the 2016-17 season starts in about thirteen weeks time, there will be as much chance of relegation as promotion, based on his lamentable performance this season. Do you think that's acceptable?



The 'net benefit' of having Adkins around probably shaved 3-4k off next Sunday's crowd with the capitulation at Coventry. We've proved that we'll turn up at the drop of a hat but that won't happen next season so Adkins has become a liability. The much-needed cull has to start with NA or we'll be having this conversation in 12 months' time.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

piss poor excuses
there loads of young lads available on loan worth a punt
anythings better than doing nothing about it

instead of wasting months chasing ultimately unavailable players another route should have been chosen by an obsessed Adkins
wanting better players is fine but leaving a void was unacceptable

There are plenty of crap players out there that are that are available. Clough found more than a few.

 

[PeteBlade]

You always seem to want to bring up football manager, despite nobody ever mentioning it other than you. It's like you've got a bit of a guilty conscience thing going on here.

Comments like "there's loads of young players available" or the ever hilarious "we should have just cancelled the contracts of all the players and signed a load of new ones" are simplistic nonsense that would work on the football game in question but aren't great bits of advice.

I feel the need to mention it due to the sheer frequency of nonsense comments like those above.

 

[blade too long]

There are plenty of crap players out there that are that are available. Clough found more than a few.

strange how Wigan walsal millwall barnsley scunthorpe all managed to find some decent ones

 

[Barney]

Comments like "there's loads of young players available" or the ever hilarious "we should have just cancelled the contracts of all the players and signed a load of new ones" are simplistic nonsense that would work on the football game in question but aren't great bits of advice.

I feel the need to mention it due to the sheer frequency of nonsense comments like those above.

Ah, god knows where the Paul Coutts thread ranks then.

Anyway I'm signing off now, enjoy your evening Pete.

 

[blade too long]

I feel the need to mention it due to the sheer frequency of nonsense comments like those above.

Its often said united have a bloated squad of over 40
but the official club site says weve only utilised 21

http://www.sufc.co.uk/stats/player-stats/

use appearances on drop bar

the too many argument is way over used
allowing for players going and coming it struggles to get to 30