Adkins' sarcastic applause

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Adkins reacted at the final whistle with loud clapping of the fans jeering through clenched teeth. Clearly irritated at the fans reaction at the final whistle. Can't say as I blame him. Booing is, without doubt, the scourge of modern day football support. Oh I wish it would go away. Akin to a petulant child throwing a strop.

As regards Brayfords interaction towards the end. I saw it more as a tactical discussion rather than a shouting match probably along the lines of "gaffer can you get me a bit more protection from midfield please !"

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Dronnie , I don't care who the manager is . If he gets on the wrong side of the fans , his days are numbered . The majority who sit in the south stand are not floating fans.

The Brayford / Adkins discussion was a tactical debate .

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[Esablade]

I rate Adams, that's about it.

I rate Adams, that's about it.

Sharp's playing well (never debated otherwise) despite being unworthy of his price tag.

When was the last time you saw Adams play to form this opinion?

How do you know Sharps playing well?
You've slagged him off all season and slated his arrival? How much did he cost?

 

[Barney]

When was the last time you saw Adams play to form this opinion?

How do you know Sharps playing well?
You've slagged him off all season and slated his arrival? How much did he cost?

October. From what I have seen of Adams, he has the potential of a very good footballer. How he's played from then to this day won't change that. That isn't how it happens in football. Just like Woolford, Edgar and Hammond won't have miraculously turned into brilliant footballers either. I didn't actually criticise Sharp himself, I criticised the signing of him for what was reported as a figure in the region of £500,000. Top scorers in this division just don't need that much of a price tag. The problem is it takes a bit of managerial ability in the transfer market to find the one's that don't, which is something Adkins has proved he doesn't have and why we are where we are in the league table.

 

[brownie4583]

NA has been poor up to now.
He made a massive mistake IMO giving all the players he inherited a chance and made only 1 decent signing in Billy.
He plays Woolford who is terrible whilst having JCR,Adams and Flynn on the bench which is baffling.
The team is way too defensive even more than NC.
We will not make the top 6 unless we make some signings,or loans,and adopt a more attacking approach.

 

[PeteBlade]

I rate Adams, that's about it.

Sharp's playing well (never debated otherwise) despite being unworthy of his price tag.

You did lump him in with Adkin's other signings, when you described them all as 'appalling'.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Didn't see it but not saying he didn't clap but he left the pitch pretty quickly. (Presumably because he'd made himself look clueless )

What about it made it possibly sarcastic though Kevin

When people clap, it tends to be with some sort of smile. Not always a beaming ear to ear grin, but an obvious facial expression of delight / satisfaction etc etc.

Adkins clapped violently through clenched teeth, his facial expression that of a man thoroughly pissed off, and then swiftly exited the dugout.

I am simply confirming what other people have observed. IMHO, it was clearly a reaction to the loud boos that echoed around the stadium on the final whistle.

And your sarcasm isn't lost on me sunshine

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[Esablade]

October. From what I have seen of Adams, he has the potential of a very good footballer. How he's played from then to this day won't change that. That isn't how it happens in football. Just like Woolford, Edgar and Hammond won't have miraculously turned into brilliant footballers either. I didn't actually criticise Sharp himself, I criticised the signing of him for what was reported as a figure in the region of £500,000. Top scorers in this division just don't need that much of a price tag. The problem is it takes a bit of managerial ability in the transfer market to find the one's that don't, which is something Adkins has proved he doesn't have with his signings to date.

I haven't found any post's from you praising Adams until I forced you into a corner today, can you link to one?

Re: Sharp ( whom you don't 'rate')

So you think £500k ( if we assume we paid that figure) is too much for the nearest thing we could get to a guaranteed leading L1 goal scorer?

What price do you think SUFC should be paying for a top scorer in this league..who would you have signed instead?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Violently sarcastic ? It gets worse

 

[DronnieBlade]

Dronnie , I don't care who the manager is . If he gets on the wrong side of the fans , his days are numbered . The majority who sit in the south stand are not floating fans.

The Brayford / Adkins discussion was a tactical debate .

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Interesting observation. And one difficult to disagree with. If a manager does "lose" the fans, often that does as you say mean that his days are numbered.

Which is EXACTLY what is wrong with modern day football club management.

Should clubs be run by a fans committee instead as the fans, as a collective, clearly know better ??

Just playing devils advocate

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P.s I don't for one minute think that fans running a club is viable in any circumstances as most fans (not all) are, excuse my bluntness, numpties !

 

[PeteBlade]

To be fair, Warnock often 'lost' the fans during his 7 year tenure, was booed off, had calls for his head and told fans that didn't like it to go to Meadowhall instead of coming to the Lane.

So some do ride out the storm.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Violently sarcastic ? It gets worse

Look fella.

If you didn't see it you didn't see it.

I did and have said what I saw. There has been a poisonous atmosphere at the Lane for large chunks of this season so far. It's pointless denying it and it's also, in all probability, a contributing factor to indifferent home form.

It's a football forum by the way, not the Guardian !

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[Barney]

You did lump him in with Adkin's other signings, when you described them all as 'appalling'.

Yes. It was a waste of money and thus a poor signing. I didn't say he was a poor player, because he isn't really, but I wouldn't say he was necessarily good either. Just a waste of money for what we paid.

 

[PeteBlade]

Yes. It was a waste of money and thus a poor signing. I didn't say he was a poor player, because he isn't really, but I wouldn't say he was necessarily good either. Just a waste of money for what we paid.

No, at the time you were talking about the quality of his signings, not whether they were a waste of money or not.
You assessed them all as appalling.
Obviously now he's playing well you'll need to change your opinion.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Look fella.

If you didn't see it you didn't see it.

I did and have said what I saw. There has been a poisonous atmosphere at the Lane for large chunks of this season so far. It's pointless denying it and it's also, in all probability, a contributing factor to indifferent home form.

It's a football forum by the way, not the Guardian !

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Fella and Sunshine ? Have I woke up back in the seventies?



I didn't say you were wrong, I asked how you interpreted it.

Thanks for the heads up on the atmosphere at BL though, it tends to bypass us not in the lofty heights of the Directors Box. Plus I haven't denied it. Adkins got the dreaded "sort it out" chant at Wigan so he knows what a pissed off crowd is like. He could have also had a face like thunder because he knows he fucked up royally , as well as due to the boo's.

 

[Barney]

No, at the time you were talking about the quality of his signings, not whether they were a waste of money or not.
You assessed them all as appalling.
Obviously now he's playing well you'll need to change your opinion.

Player A is worth £100k. He's not necessarily a bad player. Club A would like to purchase Player A. They pay £400k. It is thus a poor signing.

The other four were poor signings on the quality of the players alone. Because they're all not good enough.

Two entirely different reasonings for assessing a signing.

You obviously can't distinguish between assessing a signing and assessing a player.

 

[Esablade]

Player A is worth £100k. He's not necessarily a bad player. Club A would like to purchase Player A. They pay £400k. It is thus a poor signing.

The other four were poor signings on the quality of the players alone. Because they're all not good enough.

Two entirely different reasonings for assessing a signing.

You obviously can't distinguish between assessing a signing and assessing a player.

...and you obviously keep flouncing...

 

[Barney]

I haven't found any post's from you praising Adams until I forced you into a corner today, can you link to one?

Re: Sharp ( whom you don't 'rate')

So you think £500k ( if we assume we paid that figure) is too much for the nearest thing we could get to a guaranteed leading L1 goal scorer?

What price do you think SUFC should be paying for a top scorer in this league..who would you have signed instead?

Yes I can - http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/na-shopping-list.40282/page-2#post-773549

There's a few more too.

Sharp isn't a guaranteed league one leading goal scorer for starters. But £500k is too much to be paying for him at this level.

Can't quite recollect who was available at the time, but the free transfer market would have definitely been worth a look at. Any fee's to be paid need to be kept below £500k. That should only be surpassed when we're going for a promising youngster or someone with a lot of potential. Not an ageing 29 year old.

 

[PeteBlade]

Player A is worth £100k. He's not necessarily a bad player. Club A would like to purchase Player A. They pay £400k. It is thus a poor signing.

The other four were poor signings on the quality of the players alone. Because they're all not good enough.

Two entirely different reasonings for assessing a signing.

You obviously can't distinguish between assessing a signing and assessing a player.

And as I've said, that might have been a good point had you made the above point at the time.

Sharp was going through a bit of a goal drought at the time so you were assessing his performance not his value or worth.

Anyway, not getting into another tit for tat with you. Just find the changing of history amusing at the same time as claiming how right you think you are.

Much like Curtis used to do.

 

[Esablade]

Yes I can - http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/na-shopping-list.40282/page-2#post-773549

There's a few more too.

Sharp isn't a guaranteed league one leading goal scorer for starters. But £500k is too much to be paying for him at this level.

Can't quite recollect who was available at the time, but the free transfer market would have definitely been worth a look at. Any fee's to be paid need to be kept below £500k. That should only be surpassed when we're going for a promising youngster or someone with a lot of potential. Not an ageing 29 year old.

Adams has to be first name on the team sheet.

That's more of threat to Adkins than praise for Adams..like with your Kennedy post

You also posted this further down:

I think he could be a revelation for us next season if NA likes the look of him and starts him regularly.
Looks the real deal to me.

Adkins did start him. He wasn't a revelation was he?

Re: Billy.

I said he's 'the nearest thing' to a leading L1 scorer we could get..big difference...no guarentee's...but he's doing the business isn't he?
You think he's bad value and you don't rate him.

So you can't remember who we should have bought instead of Billy, but he would have been less than £500k...great!

 

[Barney]

That's more of threat to Adkins than praise for Adams..like with your Kennedy post

You also posted this further down:



Adkins did start him. He wasn't a revelation was he?

Re: Billy.

I said he's 'the nearest thing' to a leading L1 scorer we could get..big difference...no guarentee's...but he's doing the business isn't he?

So you can't remember who we should have bought instead of Billy, but he would have been less than £500k...great!

You've asked your questions, I've given them an answer. You said I hadn't praised Che - I gave you a link. Your other questions were answered. I'm not getting into another pathetic little tit for tat because you're just being a muppet for the sake of it now.

 

[Esablade]

You've asked your questions, I've given them an answer. You said I hadn't praised Che - I gave you a link. Your other questions were answered. I'm not getting into another pathetic little tit for tat because you're just being a muppet for the sake of it now.

Have you actually seen Adams play in the flesh?
Cause you've not praised one performance?

Why no praise to Adkins for starting him?
Why no praise when he banged a couple of goals in against Rochdale?

Any old pig could single out Adams and say 'Adkins better start him or else'

 

[BeatleBlade]

I watched it on BladesPlayer just now and it seems like he's a bit frustrated but I don't think that's at the fans, the players more than anything. Would you want him to look happy after a 1-1 home draw when we had the opportunity to get into the Play-offs?
What's all this about him and Brayford? When did that happen in the game so I can see it on bladesplayer?

 

[super_pig]

i can't be arsed to read this thread. is it the usual barney baiting??. if so then i won't bother. could someone do me a favour..a simple yes /no will suffice..thanks

 

[United Aren't Back.]

For all the failings, he at least had direction and knew what needed addressing. He persisted with Coutts but never saw the benefit. He replaced Maguire three times, but fell out with the first (and for all we know was probably with good reason), was let down by the second (not willing to stay in Sheffield through the week) and took a punt on a development player who is still failing to live up to his promise.

People talk of Clough like he was a mug and they're deluded. He was infuriating at times but we ignore the fact that his ex-employees always ran through walls to work with him again. Not seeing much of that with NA, are we?

Billy Sharp likes him.

 

[bricktop]

Well, I've some real news for you. To conclude all that on the basis of a simple question asking about something raised elsewhere really does prove you to be the uneducated idiot you seem.

You really think I seem to be an 'uneducated idiot', have you had a look at the absolute shit you have posted time and time again before accusing people of being uneducated idiots.

It's not me people are laughing at, it is people who are agreeing with me, they are laughing about you.

Funny you always seem to absent on here when United have a good win, or put in a good performance, but when he don't play well your posts are all over here like a ravenous swarm of bluebottles descending on a scabby, smelly, festering pile of dog excrement.

If you want to hurl insults at me then I have no issue with that. I'm a big boy, and I'm intelligent enough to realise that if some half brained, half cocked imbecile who shouldn't really be permitted to use the Internet due to his absolute stupidity, wants to throw insults at me, then in my life it has absolutely zero consequence on my life.

And seeing that you are playing at being Barney the hard bastard giving it the big licks, I would just like to call you a CUNT, yes, that is right, A CUNT gives you every excuse to go snivelling to Foxy and Linz again with claims about being bullied like you did last time.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Regarding the OP on sarcastic applauding.

How does someone applaud in a sarcastic manner exactly?

Like the way Stu McCall did to the ref at the lane, playing for Bradford city v us, Sept 2001.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Adkins reacted at the final whistle with loud clapping of the fans jeering through clenched teeth. Clearly irritated at the fans reaction at the final whistle. Can't say as I blame him. Booing is, without doubt, the scourge of modern day football support. Oh I wish it would go away. Akin to a petulant child throwing a strop.

As regards Brayfords interaction towards the end. I saw it more as a tactical discussion rather than a shouting match probably along the lines of "gaffer can you get me a bit more protection from midfield please !"

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Case in point. And of no relevance to this thread other than regards to my above comments re:booing.

Goodison Park this afternoon. Booing at half time, booing at full time.

WHAT THE FUCK have Everton fans got to boo about ????

Drives me crackers !!!!

Rant over.

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[blade67]

Don't make me laugh, have you forgotten what a total mess Clough made of last season and what a total mess he left behind. He's now ruining Burton after they looked good for the autos.

the 13 points from 6 games since he took over is a disaster isn't it? I bet the fans are furious

 

[PeteBlade]

the 13 points from 6 games since he took over is a disaster isn't it? I bet the fans are furious

I imagine they must be pretty pissed off at being 2 points off top spot with two games in hand as well.

 

[Hodgyman]

I heard the boos at the end of the match towards the exit ramp just after full time. I do not think that it is necessarily wrong for fans to show their displeasure at a poor performance from players or the manager. Rather than making sarcastic gestures, the recipients should take it at face value and learn from the feedback on the mistakes made. This should make them aware that they are not always right. If the feedback is ignored, they do so at their own peril.

If you want a good example, ask the fans why Nigel Clough was sacked. He continually ignored complaints of repeatedly picking his favourite disciples, despite them under-performing week in week out, not picking a tall centre half, not playing our joint top scorer enough when all and sundry were trying to tell him etc.