So glad ...

[BazWainwright]

... today's result has finally put to bed any hopes of a sneak into the playoffs. We aren't good enough, certainly nowhere near last season's moderate resilience and still suffering from a takeover and sell/recruit scheme that beggars belief. Wilder has done what he can but the loanees won't be hanging about now and we'll possibly now lose Brooks, Hamer, Peck and a few more we could do with being about the club. Another rebuild beckons and the only way it will work is if either this seemingly clueless set of owners dig deep with contracts or we can recruit and pay commensurate players that fit our profile. Season is gone, it's been gone for months and we need to accept it and move on, glad that Wednesday aren't up where Wrexham are and are effectively finished as a football club for a decade or so. If we aren't lucky though, that fate beckons us too. A Chanseri moment could happen to us quite easily.

Today we were characteristically wasteful, and could have been 4 up at half time. I think Wrexham knew that too and couldn't believe how poor we were in front of goal. Had a feeling we'd lose it even when Brooksy put us one up. The first goal was Laurel and Hardy stuff, the Dance of the Cuckoos music started playing when we again coughed up possession cheaply and the second one was post substitutes, and Wrexham passing out of their defence into a totally empty midfield for them to run up the pitch unmolested. From that moment on, you knew we were in trouble.

It's never 'not' frustrating being a Sheff Utd fan, but you'd just love us one season to be damned tough to beat and a team that dispossesses, presses forward and scores with swaggering arrogance just the once, instead of watching matches and thinking 'we might lose this'.

I watched the Wrexham feed for the first half and their commentator sounded like he needed to huck up a wheelbarrow load of lung butter in one of them coughs that last a decent five, eye-watering minutes but end up with a spat out grolly you could see from the orbiting ISS. Fortunately Radio Sheffield was available for the second half.

 

[The Vicar]

2 up front, why O why not? Brookes, Hamer & O Hare is a recipe for us disappearing from the game after 65 minutes.

Beginning to think League 1 might have been the better option if this is what we can expect next year, it would have precipitated a massive clear out.

Not sure where our next point is coming from, because this really is garbage. But for 2 fortunate wins at Portsmouth & QPR we would be in BIG trouble. I look at Norwich, they were terrible, they made a change & are flying. We made a change, had a purple patch of about 10 games, & are now as bad as we were in October.

Unless CW comes out with some realistic points and comments, instead of the usual excuses, then I am ready for a change. He cannot get a tune out of them, & I am losing confidence for the future. No post match on BBC website from him, only from Parkinson.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Your glad?

Didn't even read the rest. Even if we were shite and somehow fluked into the premier league I wouldn't be upset?

Yet some are glad we aren't that? Bizarre

 

[Flakey]

I think we need to refocus the rest of the season with running a book on who will get the next red card.
I don't think we can include CW as it is likely hecwould be quoted as evens.
For my money I fancy it could be Hamer, a decent bet say 10 to 1, probably trying to get himself on the transfer lis,t.

 

[metalblade]

We are one win away from certain safety, as soon as we get that win start interviews for a new manager, Wilder gets schooled week after week.

 

[BazWainwright]

Your glad?

Didn't even read the rest. Even if we were shite and somehow fluked into the premier league I wouldn't be upset?

Yet some are glad we aren't that? Bizarre

Yeah I'm glad.

As you lost your rag a bit and put your foot on your phone in rage and probably wrote to the Daily Mail about my comments, just go back and try to read why.

I don't like seeing us fail, but in equal measure - and it's a common theme being a Unitedite season upon season, it's the desperate hope that kills you. Our rubbish start to the season and the loss of key players, coupled with frankly staggering signings put paid to any notion we were capable of football good enough to get there, win over three matches and sustain credibility in the upper league.

That's why.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Yeah I'm glad.

Okay keep that smile on your face and on your heart next season

 

[steve26272]

Yeah I'm glad.

I don't like seeing us fail, but in equal measure - and it's a common theme being a Unitedite season upon season, it's the desperate hope that kills you. .

That’s like saying you don’t do the lottery cos you don’t like it when you don’t win, not the mentality now is it?

But what if you do?

Had we fluked the playoffs and won, we’d probably have beaten Derbys record next season, but with a guaranteed £100m in the bank

Think some of the players have bought into your thinking tho

 

[BazWainwright]

Okay keep that smile on your face and on your heart next season

I'm not glad about the means of how this season has panned out. Us having a disastrous start, clearly lacking a plan, strategy, method, onfield structure and a management not aligned with the playing staff and missing those key players like Anel, Vini, Moore and fielding clearly incapable recruits has been the significant leg-breaker of any ambition we have. Wilder simply pulled the wheel over to stop us going over the cliff Wednesday have plunged into, but we are still way back in the field in the race.

I'm realistic enough to see that this season is now just about bookmarking our place in the Championship, seeing who leaves in the Summer and hoping COH have the spuds to invest in playing staff, coupled with someone to regulate Wilder's somewhat baffling acquisitions. Our meagre onfield talent will more likely gone and we will once again, have to build from the little rubber feet upwards.

It was pure, daft folly to hedge your bets on us making the playoffs, getting through them with a weak, wasteful team and have enough in the squad to not replicate the serial 5-0 pastings we got two seasons ago. I'd rather we considered our true capability - and let's be honest, yesterday's complete surrender is exactly that - and stayed put rather than bust ourselves trying to pee over a sixty-foot wall.

 

[Bell4]

I'm not glad about the means of how this season has panned out. Us having a disastrous start, clearly lacking a plan, strategy, method, onfield structure and a management not aligned with the playing staff and missing those key players like Anel, Vini, Moore and fielding clearly incapable recruits has been the significant leg-breaker of any ambition we have. Wilder simply pulled the wheel over to stop us going over the cliff Wednesday have plunged into, but we are still way back in the field in the race.

I'm realistic enough to see that this season is now just about bookmarking our place in the Championship, seeing who leaves in the Summer and hoping COH have the spuds to invest in playing staff, coupled with someone to regulate Wilder's somewhat baffling acquisitions. Our meagre onfield talent will more likely gone and we will once again, have to build from the little rubber feet upwards.

It was pure, daft folly to hedge your bets on us making the playoffs, getting through them with a weak, wasteful team and have enough in the squad to not replicate the serial 5-0 pastings we got two seasons ago. I'd rather we considered our true capability - and let's be honest, yesterday's complete surrender is exactly that - and stayed put rather than bust ourselves trying to pee over a sixty-foot wall.

Nice writing style

 

[BazWainwright]

That’s like saying you don’t do the lottery cos you don’t like it when you don’t win, not the mentality now is it?

But what if you do?

Had we fluked the playoffs and won, we’d probably have beaten Derbys record next season, but with a guaranteed £100m in the bank

Think some of the players have bought into your thinking tho

So you'd rather we went up, were beaten every week in the same way Wednesday have been this season, just for £100m? Isn't that somewhat mercenary?

Would I rather watch us play at our level and compete, or be humiliated and considered six easy points whilst our red and whites chase far more capable footballers and Cooper slip a disc picking the ball out with a real risk of a double-figures beating by Arsenal's academy kids?

Just watch some Premier League games. Look at the speed, the accuracy of passing and the shot execution capability and then compare it to us yesterday. Look at the flair they possess, the internationalism on show from the best in the world and just how PL managers switch systems with the onfield staff understanding exactly what to do to dynamically counter opposition strategies. Watch also how proper pressing and counterattacking works (as Wrexham demonstrated yesterday with the second goal) on how they exploit space, retain possession and move F-O-R-W-A-R-D >>>>>> rather than retort to the tired old pass it about the back four and not progress up the pitch to create chances.

 

[Brian Blessed]

So you'd rather we went up, were beaten every week in the same way Wednesday have been this season, just for £100m? Isn't that somewhat mercenary?

Would I rather watch us play at our level and compete, or be humiliated and considered six easy points whilst our red and whites chase far more capable footballers and Cooper slip a disc picking the ball out with a real risk of a double-figures beating by Arsenal's academy kids?

Just watch some Premier League games. Look at the speed, the accuracy of passing and the shot execution capability and then compare it to us yesterday. Look at the flair they possess, the internationalism on show from the best in the world and just how PL managers switch systems with the onfield staff understanding exactly what to do to dynamically counter opposition strategies. Watch also how proper pressing and counterattacking works (as Wrexham demonstrated yesterday with the second goal) on how they exploit space, retain possession and move F-O-R-W-A-R-D >>>>>> rather than retort to the tired old pass it about the back four and not progress up the pitch to create chances.

Sunderland were 16 points worse than United last season and they seem to be doing OK

 

[Brian Deane]

Sunderland were 16 points worse than United last season and they seem to be doing OK

Moneh innit.

 

[Blade In Flame]

I watched the Wrexham feed for the first half and their commentator sounded like he needed to huck up a wheelbarrow load of lung butter in one of them coughs that last a decent five, eye-watering minutes but end up with a spat out grolly you could see from the orbiting ISS. Fortunately Radio Sheffield was available for the second half.

Same here. I thought it was RFK Jnr doing the comms. I thought he was going to have a cardiac every time they got near our goal. I switched about 35 minutes in when the SUTV feed finally showed up and you could even hear him screaming after their goals from the Radio Sheffield commentator's mic.

 

[mattbianco1]

We are one win away from certain safety, as soon as we get that win start interviews for a new manager, Wilder gets schooled week after week.

Schooled by Phil fuckin Parkinson... TWICE

 

[steve26272]

So you'd rather we went up, were beaten every week in the same way Wednesday have been this season, just for £100m? Isn't that somewhat mercenary?

Would I rather watch us play at our level and compete, or be humiliated and considered six easy points whilst our red and whites chase far more capable footballers and Cooper slip a disc picking the ball out with a real risk of a double-figures beating by Arsenal's academy kids?

Just watch some Premier League games. Look at the speed, the accuracy of passing and the shot execution capability and then compare it to us yesterday. Look at the flair they possess, the internationalism on show from the best in the world and just how PL managers switch systems with the onfield staff understanding exactly what to do to dynamically counter opposition strategies. Watch also how proper pressing and counterattacking works (as Wrexham demonstrated yesterday with the second goal) on how they exploit space, retain possession and move F-O-R-W-A-R-D >>>>>> rather than retort to the tired old pass it about the back four and not progress up the pitch to create chances.

The £100m is a side product of success

If your asking ‘should we strive to win every game of football we play, with the ultimate outcome been promotion to the league above’? Then yes

 

[BangorBlade]

Think we need a good clear out all over the pitch at the end of the season, but need shot of Campbell & Ings maybe Cannon for a start.
Why are we playing 1 forward at home ffs

 

[ancientblade]

Think we need a good clear out all over the pitch at the end of the season, but need shot of Campbell & Ings maybe Cannon for a start.
Why are we playing 1 forward at home ffs

agree 100% especially this 1 upfront nonsense at home no problem with that system away but at home no way and wilder deserves all the flack hes getting on this forum

 

[ATL Recs]

Sunderland were 16 points worse than United last season and they seem to be doing OK

Proactive planning not our field of experience
they bought a new team
they put together 2 profiles of players and budgets in December 24 after losing to us ( when they played us off the park) one profile for the Premiership one for championship 4 months before the season end
Hmmm see us doing that do you ?

 

[BazWainwright]

If your asking ‘should we strive to win every game of football we play, with the ultimate outcome been promotion to the league above’? Then yes

Of course we should win every game of football we play with that ultimate outcome. It goes without question.

But I will posit the comparator of our risible final league games last year up to the playoff semis, the dismal slide away into defeat in the final, the horrific start to this season then Charlton (winnable, but shot ourselves twice in the head) Southampton (winnable, but failed to turn up) Millwall (winnable, but can't defend a lead) Middlesborough (tough game, but should have had a point out of it ... then 'Rothwell arrives ...') SWFC (should have been a massacre, but again, loanees let us down badly) Cov City (another tough game against a team with a great ethic but again, we can't respond when we go ahead) WBA (a totally winnable game and again, we capitulate when ahead) Norwich City (guess what?) Birmingham (winnable, but again, red card and missed pen puts us on the back foot) and Wrexham (promising start and hugely wasted chances see us lose confidence ... when in the lead ... and go on to lose rather pathetically)

There's a distinct pattern there of what ... twenty-odd points lost due to poor discipline, poor conversion or poor defensive strategy or ... not striving to win every game of football they play with the ultimate outcome of promotion to the league above. It's disappointing, sure, but it is also so 'typically United' to fail and fail miserably to 'become'.

Only a decent manager can fix this. We need to recruit and recruit well in the closed season period. No daft pot-shots on AI induced transfers, no has beens, no injury risks, no unfit benchwarmers and no gambles on players who come on for twenty minutes and look like they should be playing on Graves Park for Steve Bracknall's lot.

 

[Keen Blade]

Proactive planning not our field of experience
they bought a new team
they put together 2 profiles of players and budgets in December 24 after losing to us ( when they played us off the park) one profile for the Premiership one for championship 4 months before the season end
Hmmm see us doing that do you ?

We couldn't plan a feckin party.
Everything we do is some sort of panic reaction to a previous deficiency.
I was optimistic that with US Businessmen , we'd get better structured and operated.
And they are just twerps , who've now committed themselves to Wilder's 3rd coming under his old mate 'Director' Bettis.
God knows why they bought us - they've brought the square root of feck all into the structure & operation of the club.
Plus players like Tom "I'm not really a footballer" Cannon and loads of other dross.
I wonder if they have any real understanding of this soccer ball thing or any sense of the looming trajectory

 

[UTB Blade]

We are one win away from certain safety, as soon as we get that win start interviews for a new manager, Wilder gets schooled week after week.

Remind me again how fantastic the last manager you were whoopin' and hollerin' about, after we got rid of Wilder, turned out to be...

In fact, don't bother, I'll do the reminding myself. Here you go:

 

[metalblade]

Remind me again how fantastic the last manager you were whoopin' and hollerin' about, after we got rid of Wilder, turned out to be...

In fact, don't bother, I'll do the reminding myself. Here you go:


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Remind me where I was whooping and hollerin about the last manger. In fact don't bother it was all in your dumb head cretin.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Remind me again how fantastic the last manager you were whoopin' and hollerin' about, after we got rid of Wilder, turned out to be...

In fact, don't bother, I'll do the reminding myself. Here you go:


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Are you trying to say that because of that we can never again change our manager?

 

[HighfieldBlade]

7 games to go and everything to play for.
COYRAWW

 

[LBA_Blade]

Your glad?

Didn't even read the rest. Even if we were shite and somehow fluked into the premier league I wouldn't be upset?

Yet some are glad we aren't that? Bizarre

Yes it brings financially stability and gives the owners and club some money for a few seasons but other than that, we would have to fork out £100million of cash we don’t have to try and compete and stay up so the alternative is keeping our assets and investing in infrastructure. Then when relegated try and work out a plan of how we keep hold of any youngster that might have impressed

 

[232 Bramall Lane]

Think we need a good clear out all over the pitch at the end of the season, but need shot of Campbell & Ings maybe Cannon for a start.
Why are we playing 1 forward at home ffs

Maybe Cannon !

 

[Rodley]

Are you trying to say that because of that we can never again change our manager?

I think you can change your manager, but hopefully COH don’t listen to the duck eggs who called for CW to go last season and feted Selles as the second coming of Christ after 45 minutes of football.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

...but you'd just love us one season to be damned tough to beat and a team that dispossesses, presses forward and scores with swaggering arrogance just the once, instead of watching matches and thinking 'we might lose this'.

Oh wow. That resonated.

Just once, to be assured. To be a bigger side in the division and to comfortably play like it. To be a Leeds or Burnley of last season. To be the side that are resolute, strong, good spine to the side, well organised, hard to beat, creative, and threaten to give sides a good pasting.

Just once.

 

[Guesty]

Oh wow. That resonated.

Just once, to be assured. To be a bigger side in the division and to comfortably play like it. To be a Leeds or Burnley of last season. To be the side that are resolute, strong, good spine to the side, well organised, hard to beat, creative, and threaten to give sides a good pasting.

Just once.

We had it in League One under Wilder. But that was it.