Manager

[Nick Jansky]

Why do we need to move on?

The game has evolved and will continue to do so. Clubs that don’t keep pace with that will go backwards. The game today is very different to how it was 20 years ago, and even 10 years ago, and so is the management of players, who have more power, expectations and choices than they have ever had.

The big evolutions in the last 10 years have been in sports science (diet, conditioning, recovery, sleep analysis, psychological etc), coaching/tactical, youth development, scouting and recruitment. These areas are where the small margins that are the difference between success and failure are to be found.

Clubs need to continuously monitor and assess whether staff are capable of remaining on the evolutionary journey. I’m not giving an opinion here on whether Wilder and his staff are or not, but this is how it needs to be to avoid the club going backwards.

 

[LBA_Blade]

I think our squad is good enough that we were never really going to be considered relegation candidates.

Had we played to our potential more often we would’ve made the playoffs so that’s the reason for disappointment. Wilder needs to take the credit for the successes, but he has to also take the blame for the failures.

I think if we played to our potential we would be top and walking the league. Although it wasn’t always the prettiest we were good last season at seeing out 1-0s (apart from when it mattered) and it wouldn’t have taken many of the them to be top to be fair. We have dropped 4 points against Norwich and West Brom at home from being 1-0 up when on paper we should have seen out those games, even with the terrible start under Selles, those 2 matches were under Wilder. We would be joint on point with Southampton by converting 2 relatively easy games into 3 points.

 

[jalfie69]

We can move on, but we've backed the wrong horse a couple of times.

Happens at lots of clubs, who pick the wrong bloke and go back to what they know.

Ask Celtic

Ask Everton

And if you're really not sure, about changing manager and picking the wrong bloke, then ask Spurs

I get spurs but what about bournmouth, Brenford & Brighton who change manager almost every season

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Brentford haven't - they had Thomas Frank for ages.

Not sure about Bournemouth - they had Gary O"Neil until recently.

Agreed on Brighton - I suspect they use AI/Data/Moneyball to select. We dabbled with AI, shit ourselves, and went back to Wilder

 

[CPB]

His first objective was to stop us from going down.

He's done that and we've played some times really good stuff.
But we've not been able to get consistent.

To change manager would throw up yet more instability. It will come a time to change manager again. I do not feel like that is wise now at all.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I really don’t know what the issue is. Wilder was brought back to stop us getting relegated. That will be achieved with ease.

I said when he took over, "keep us up, best Wednesday twice.. we can't expect or even hope for much more."

Being greedy, I'd have liked to have seen us make more of an effort in the Cup this year but also not that arsed.

We're in the top half, with some better fortune (Charlton, Southampton etc.), ee might've mounted a credible play-off push but it never felt likely and we're not good enough to win them anyway.

Wilder's done the business. It hasn't been perfect but it's at least a 7/10. The football's been entertaining more often than not.

 

[CPB]

Wilder has done ok. But honestly the recruitment under him this season has been poor as well. He's had a larger budget than most, mainly spent on ex-Prem rejects.

We need to move on at some point...and the end of this season makes sense to me.

Well you can say that but what's he brought in?

Bamford
Reidewald
Hoever
Rothwell
Phillips
Hjelde

First two have been very good.
Jan signings haven't yet impressed much. Mind most haven't played that much. Although thought Hoever Vs owls and QPR looked ok. Less so today.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I really don’t know what the issue is. Wilder was brought back to stop us getting relegated. That will be achieved with ease.

We’ve also been a top 6 side for a large proportion of his 3rd spell based on form

 

[Back post bob]

I agree the players were poor today however when they had gifted us A goal and after 5 mins it was obvious we needed to see the game out it reminded me of wembley why didn't he go 3 at the back bring on mcguiness take Hamer off and bring Rothwell on for COH and Seriki for the Vacume cleaner

 

[Russ]

Did anyone hear his interview on Radio Sheffield. He claimed it was an AVERAGE performance. AVERAGE!

How many shots on goal Chris?
How many goal attempts?

It was TERRIBLE.

The first half I think I clapped once. And that was when teams came out.

Then he kept talking about the “front four”. Did I go to the wrong match as I only saw Bamford up front. Until he got subbed at half time and replaced by Campbell.

Come on Chris. Let’s see you try a different formation at least. Where’s the plan B? Surely he could see it wasn’t working.

Admittedly the second half we were a bit more attack minded. Probably our best chance was blocked on the line by Sydie Sydie Peck (as the Norwich City fan calls him.) Chris didn’t enjoy that bit. Well hard luck Chris I didn’t enjoy any of it. Please do better. Next home game versus Wrexham. Gawd. If we play like that it will be 0-5.

 

[ZLB]

I get that but why can't we move on after 10 years?

We are moving on.

 

[Kona]

Today’s result may not be the end of our play off hopes but it feels like it is and bluntly, we should have done so much better with the team available.

I was ok with us replacing Wilder at the end of last season but that didn’t work out… mainly because of the poor (horrendous) choice of replacement.

And while I still think we do need a ‘frame breaking’ change at some point, I don’t think that time is now or for next season. In my opinion, Wilder does well (perhaps better) with less money, which is likely to be our situation at the end of the season, so would be inclined to give him chance to reshape and make us competitive.

 

[54yrblade]

Funny how you only ever post when United don’t win, or how we shouldn’t laugh at Wednesday. Bet you were crying into your mum’s knickers when Brewster set BBD up against your lot today

Try harder. You couldn't be more wrong. Disagreeing with you doesn't make me an S6 supporter.

 

[ZLB]

Try harder. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Ah shaddup ya pig

 

[unitedbhoy]

I really don’t know what the issue is. Wilder was brought back to stop us getting relegated. That will be achieved with ease.

No, the owners statement after sacking selles and bringing Wilder back in was to get promotion.

 

[Champagneblade]

What is it then?
Probably Seriki needed a rest.
He’s not a robot.
Loads of them seemed to playing well within themselves today and we often struggle against a packed defence with a low block.
I’d imagine Wilder thought that Seriki would be wasted against a low block since there is no space behind to exploit. Made sense to me. Hamer was as bad as he can be and O’Hare was below par and Bamford looked lost. Only Brooks, for my mind, made any real effort to unlock them.

Isn’t someone who can dribble around players part of the solution to a low block?

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

I wish the Wilder haters would at least try to base their pre-prepared criticism on reality.

iTS sHitE tO WatcH!

Either you dont watch us or you literally expect to win by 3 goals playing scintillating football every game

You're not proper football fans let alone united fans. You're the equivalent of those insufferable Arsenal fan TV losers

 

[Jan Age]

One player shouldn’t mean we play badly.. CW should be able to swap the odd player here and there without a massive drop in standard.

However what is absolutely on him is the lack of tactical nouse and rigidity to change.

Hoever should have come off at half time after what was a pathetic display of football. Wilder made no change.

What is also on Wilder is playing players whose attitude isn’t right … Hamer should IMO be on the bench.

Also on wilder is his “possession based” tactics which means let’s pass the ball endlessly and pointlessly around with little to no end product.

What is on the club is the pathetic fitness levels of 33% of our squad which is actually laughable bordering on unprofessional.

And what is on the players is their attitude towards playing for this club … JT was shocking today … he wanted a stroll in the park …

If anything it’s a bigger rebuild in the summer than it was last or in Jan …

 

[54yrblade]

Ah shaddup ya pig

As one dimensional and expected as Wilders pressers

 

[Kenilworth]

Isn’t someone who can dribble around players part of the solution to a low block?

Agreed but Seriki and Brooks work well when there is a gap to exploit. Brooks is the dribbler, not Seriki. Femi is the overlap but when there’s no space to overlap into it’s a waste of Seriki.
O’Hare should have been more effective in this type of game. It also needs strong CF to receive a wall pass on the edge of the area a play a midfielder in for a shot or to break through but we don’t seem to have one of those

 

[The Crab]

The game has evolved and will continue to do so. Clubs that don’t keep pace with that will go backwards. The game today is very different to how it was 20 years ago, and even 10 years ago, and so is the management of players, who have more power, expectations and choices than they have ever had.

The big evolutions in the last 10 years have been in sports science (diet, conditioning, recovery, sleep analysis, psychological etc), coaching/tactical, youth development, scouting and recruitment. These areas are where the small margins that are the difference between success and failure are to be found.

Clubs need to continuously monitor and assess whether staff are capable of remaining on the evolutionary journey. I’m not giving an opinion here on whether Wilder and his staff are or not, but this is how it needs to be to avoid the club going backwards.

Agree with all of that.

But in fairness, these were also issues under Hecky

 

[Brian Deane]

It was poor today.

I was Meh about Wilder coming back, but his job was to reverse the shit show Selles had created and keep us in the division. For a while I thought he'd lost his touch, but he's wrestled it back and we are now comfortably safe.

Personally I'd keep him now and let him carry on with the rebuild in the summer.

Frustrating watch today though, but no point hitting the panic button.

Selles didn't help but he didn't create it, our new owners did

 

[Sky Blues]

I think the issue is it’s shite to watch, we look clueless breaking down a pretty basic tactic (low block) every single time we play against it.

You're not the only team that has this problem. We've been free scoring for most of the season and have been excellent at home. We have just won 5 on the bounce. The game before this run? 0-0 at home to Oxford Just looked at the stats. 53 touches inside their area. 24 shots with over half of them blocked. They didn't even have a shot on target.

 

[scouseblade]

I know we have tried with Slav, Heci & Selles but three has got to somebody out there than wilder surely. The football today was absolutely pathetic.

Not playing Seriki from the start was unbelievable, I think there is a problem between player and manager and I think he will be the first to be sold in the summer.

We need to be more proactive and not just think wilder solves all. Don't want to be a wilder out but there has to be a better solution moving forward.

Again said this in another thread unless thet get it right and they failed spectacularly in the summer we'll be coming back to him again. We have to give him the summer and see how next season starts. Fact is. We had 0 points when he came in, we now have 49. Does some of the decisions baffle? Frustrate?

 

[s20Blade]

The board will keep him but be interesting to see what he does with no budget Wilder v1

 

[The Crab]

You're not the only team that has this problem. We've been free scoring for most of the season and have been excellent at home. We have just won 5 on the bounce. The game before this run? 0-0 at home to Oxford Just looked at the stats. 53 touches inside their area. 24 shots with over half of them blocked. They didn't even have a shot on target.

Yeah that’s on me I’m afraid.

I feel like every time I have you in an acca it goes sideways….

 

[Old Programme seller]

Even if we get to the playoffs which I highly doubt then we have to be good enough and consistent enough to win them (something we’ve got issues with) and then we’d need may be 11 new high quality players as this team is a championship team not fit for the premier league

 

[Danetheblade]

You're not the only team that has this problem. We've been free scoring for most of the season and have been excellent at home. We have just won 5 on the bounce. The game before this run? 0-0 at home to Oxford Just looked at the stats. 53 touches inside their area. 24 shots with over half of them blocked. They didn't even have a shot on target.

Fully understand that, however it’s not just a one time occasion, it’s almost every single time a team operate on this tactic. Fantastic regards the touches inside their area, and shots, but United don’t do this, they rely on high conversion chances, but they don’t ever come because we constantly recycle possession over pushing the envelope and having a dig.