Unpopular opinion: the celebrations were a bit OTT

[ancientblade]

just sour grapes im afraid especially after the vile chants and objects being thrown at our players which they need fining for just a pity 29k of their fans wernt still in the ground to see it were getting all this nonsense from them now about once the new owners come in they will be back but theyve only got to look at us to realise a takeover doesnt gaurantee instant success i just hope our 30k fans in the return fixture give wednesday's players as much hostility as they did to our lads on sunday utb ftp

 

[Bladesman]

just sour grapes im afraid especially after the vile chants and objects being thrown at our players which they need fining for just a pity 29k of their fans wernt still in the ground to see it were getting all this nonsense from them now about once the new owners come in they will be back but theyve only got to look at us to realise a takeover doesnt gaurantee instant success i just hope our 30k fans in the return fixture give wednesday's players as much hostility as they did to our lads on sunday utb ftp

Having watched the vlogs from their stands, then I am glad we milked the fuck out of it at the end.

It wasn't just a minority of fans singing those chants either. Plus the alleged racism from a couple of them as well.

 

[ancientblade]

Having watched the vlogs from their stands, then I am glad we milked the fuck out of it at the end.

It wasn't just a minority of fans singing those chants either. Plus the alleged racism from a couple of them as well.

ive posted on another thread how wednesday as a club havent spoken out about their fans 'die die.piggy' chant its vile and they should be acting to prevent it plus the personal vile chants about our manager and his family yes i get that they hate wilder after last season absolutely disgusting chants from their so called wonderful fans

 

[Houston_Blade]

ive posted on another thread how wednesday as a club havent spoken out about their fans 'die die.piggy' chant its vile and they should be acting to prevent it plus the personal vile chants about our manager and his family yes i get that they hate wilder after last season absolutely disgusting chants from their so called wonderful fans

While pig fans are a set of bellends. I’ve also heard Blades fans singing “die die piggy” as well. So it’s not worth getting all righteous about it. I don’t genuinely think people want opposition players to die, it’s just a song.

Both teams have idiots amongst their supporters, it’s nuts to claim otherwise.

Back to the OP, we absolutely didn’t over celebrate, they have a particularly high opinion of themselves as a club, we’d just battered them.

 

[Rusty view]

I live amongst the insufferable fuckers out here in Oughtibridge. There is absolutely no way I'm doing anything other than celebrating it loud and long. And I'll be doing it for quite a few weeks yet.

Hope you strutted into Cock Inn with a big smile.

Used to be my stomping ground so know a fair few pigs in there

 

[FMBlade1]

Thinking about it, perhaps I am just a bit stuck in the past, although I am consistent regarding other sports/contexts so this isn't a particular dig at SUFC- hence the reference to Kean's comments on Villa.

For example I loved England winning the 2005 Ashes but thought the open tour bus parade and Flintoff getting smashed and the squad being given MBEs was OTT.

We all remember what happened next:

BBC SPORT | Cricket | The Ashes | Caborn defends 2005 Ashes honours

If Australia had gone 30 years without winning the Ashes and then won them at last I'm sure they wouldn't have done the same thing.

Would we have taken team photos 20-30 years ago after beating a bankrupt SWFC 3-0 like the way did on the weekend? I'd suspect not, the times have changed so I have to accept that.

Edit: again to be clear for those who haven't seen all the posts here- I'm specifically referring to the players and management, no objection at all to how we as fans have acted *unless anyone did anything silly with a flare!

 

[CarlMcBlade]

They can shrug their shoulders all they like. But that defeat was still a kick in the guts for them.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Yesterday was like driving over an already flattened hedgehog…To make sure it was dead.

 

[Gimli]

Thinking about it, perhaps I am just a bit stuck in the past, although I am consistent regarding other sports/contexts so this isn't a particular dig at SUFC- hence the reference to Kean's comments on Villa.

For example I loved England winning the 2005 Ashes but thought the open tour bus parade and Flintoff getting smashed and the squad being given MBEs was OTT.

We all remember what happened next:

BBC SPORT | Cricket | The Ashes | Caborn defends 2005 Ashes honours

If Australia had gone 30 years without winning the Ashes and then won them at last I'm sure they wouldn't have done the same thing.

Would we have taken team photos 20-30 years ago after beating a bankrupt SWFC 3-0 like the way did on the weekend? I'd suspect not, the times have changed so I have to accept that.

Edit: again to be clear for those who haven't seen all the posts here- I'm specifically referring to the players and management, no objection at all to how we as fans have acted *unless anyone did anything silly with a flare!

Can I just ask if you think there is ever an appropriate time for players to celebrate?

England players over did the ashes celebrations in 2005?! I’m aware that’s probably bait, and I’m biting but come on. We’d not won for ages and the ashes is pretty much the biggest thing an English cricketer can win.

If they can’t celebrate winning the ashes, when can they?

 

[FMBlade1]

Can I just ask if you think there is ever an appropriate time for players to celebrate?

England players over did the ashes celebrations in 2005?! I’m aware that’s probably bait, and I’m biting but come on. We’d not won for ages and the ashes is pretty much the biggest thing an English cricketer can win.

If they can’t celebrate winning the ashes, when can they?

Ah no, respectfully you (and indeed many others) have misunderstood me- nowhere did I suggest they can't celebrate, I just think its there is a thing called moderation and it can get OTT.

For example the same thing was said when clubs would put out DVDs when they beat their rivals in a normal league game, if we did the same that would fall into that category.

Yes, cheer, applaud the fans etc. but taking photos like we won a trophy is a bit much.

Edit: With the Ashes there's a whole interesting discussion on that which probably shouldn't go here (though I appreciate I started it), let's just say I doubt the Aussies would have done the same thing had the roles been reversed.

 

[pinxtonblade]

End of the day before the match I wasnt confident of getting a result thought at best we might win 1 nil remember they have got draws at birmingham norwich beat portsmouth drew at west brom and generally as a team shown more fight than us . I actually ended up being disapoinymted in the end to not win by more and im still buzzing now im going to enjoy it because whats the point in supporting a team if you cant enjoy beating youre rivals id hate to have fans that just take every win for granted

 

[NAP]

Ah no, respectfully you (and indeed many others) have misunderstood me- nowhere did I suggest they can't celebrate, I just think its there is a thing called moderation and it can get OTT.

For example the same thing was said when clubs would put out DVDs when they beat their rivals in a normal league game, if we did the same that would fall into that category.

Yes, cheer, applaud the fans etc. but taking photos like we won a trophy is a bit much.

Edit: With the Ashes there's a whole interesting discussion on that which probably shouldn't go here (though I appreciate I started it), let's just say I doubt the Aussies would have done the same thing had the roles been reversed.

‘Taking photos like we won a trophy is a bit much’. We may never win another trophy. We have just beaten our bitter city rivals stretching back well over 100 years by a record away margin. These players have achieved something that Blades players over decades have never ever done. We are not your Manchesters, Liverpool, London clubs and never will be a ‘tourist’ supported club. I don’t give a shit whether that is being parochial or lacking ambition. I love seeing players who represent OUR CLUB celebrate however they want- Wilder isn’t forcing them to take photos or stay on the pitch - they obviously felt they wanted to do this and as history makers, why the hell not???

 

[Grey Blade]

Yes, cheer, applaud the fans etc. but taking photos like we won a trophy is a bit much.

On reflection I think staying on the pitch that long was a blessing in disguise. Prior to the match we were asked to stay in our seats until the Wed fans had left.
I didn't hear any announcement to that effect at the end of the match and if our players had left the pitch more quickly, our fans would have left their seats and been trapped in that dreadful concourse.
It was crowded enough prior to the game starting but could have been much worse later!

 

[Flumps]

Ah no, respectfully you (and indeed many others) have misunderstood me- nowhere did I suggest they can't celebrate, I just think its there is a thing called moderation and it can get OTT.

For example the same thing was said when clubs would put out DVDs when they beat their rivals in a normal league game, if we did the same that would fall into that category.

Yes, cheer, applaud the fans etc. but taking photos like we won a trophy is a bit much.

Edit: With the Ashes there's a whole interesting discussion on that which probably shouldn't go here (though I appreciate I started it), let's just say I doubt the Aussies would have done the same thing had the roles been reversed.

I do think things are getting skewed somewhat, specially with this latest spat of celebration moderators we seem to be seeing everywhere.

It's easy to look at wins from our perspective, we don't have to do the work, we literally sit on our arses and watch the lads who put the effort in. Look at the nerves we all had prior to this match, not many were confident. They talk a good game because they have to but the squad and staff aren't daft they know we're under performing, Wilder knows this position we're in considering last season is dreadful and they all know exactly how the fans feel. When Cannons goal went in the relief of pressure they all must have felt will have been insane. Turn up to Hillsborough and lose against that load of wank would have caused some pretty big issues I think specially between the fans and the squad. As little as our fixture might have been to the football World it means alot to us and to them it seems so they must have felt pretty fucking good when the whistle went. How can they shrug that off.

Similarly for the example of the Ashes win, I really dislike cricket myself and even though I'm sure it isn't easy it's not the most physically demanding sport in the world but even so, they will have spent years preparing, practicing, pushing themselves constantly to win and despite his anecdotes I'm sure alot of discipline is required to win any tournament. You can hardly begrudge anyone a massive blow out when all of that effort amounts to one of the biggest moments of your life. If you're passionate about something and you succeed in it the feeling can be euphoric.

It's easy for any miserable unacheiving twitter obsessed wanker to sit there and complain about sportsman performances and their celebrations, they don't have to do the work.

 

[FMBlade1]

‘Taking photos like we won a trophy is a bit much’. We may never win another trophy. We have just beaten our bitter city rivals stretching back well over 100 years by a record away margin. These players have achieved something that Blades players over decades have never ever done. We are not your Manchesters, Liverpool, London clubs and never will be a ‘tourist’ supported club. I don’t give a shit whether that is being parochial or lacking ambition. I love seeing players who represent OUR CLUB celebrate however they want- Wilder isn’t forcing them to take photos or stay on the pitch - they obviously felt they wanted to do this and as history makers, why the hell not???

The thing is, I think the win was a great occasion and it was a fine performance but it wasn't some kind of great achievement by the players.

If Newcastle beat Sunderland 3-0 at the Stadium of Light no-one would say that was a great achievement and they wouldn't celebrate the same way with a team photo and this was similar.

SWFC are on their knees financially and their squad is desperately weak.

The 2017 result was much more impressive even though there was a one goal less winning margin.

 

[ancientblade]

While pig fans are a set of bellends. I’ve also heard Blades fans singing “die die piggy” as well. So it’s not worth getting all righteous about it. I don’t genuinely think people want opposition players to die, it’s just a song.

Both teams have idiots amongst their supporters, it’s nuts to claim otherwise.

Back to the OP, we absolutely didn’t over celebrate, they have a particularly high opinion of themselves as a club, we’d just battered them.

is that right houston ive never heard our fans chanting that song thought it was exclusive to wednesday fans hate it though in this day and age

 

[NAP]

The thing is, I think the win was a great occasion and it was a fine performance but it wasn't some kind of great achievement by the players.

If Newcastle beat Sunderland 3-0 at the Stadium of Light no-one would say that was a great achievement and they wouldn't celebrate the same way with a team photo and this was similar.

SWFC are on their knees financially and their squad is desperately weak.

The 2017 result was much more impressive even though there was a one goal less winning margin.

The thing is, how do we know what ‘state’ either club was in over the course of history when we played each other. Did Blades have to field a team of youths with an injury crisis or were the Owls affected by cholera one season and have to field a depleted side against us? The fact is no-one knows for sure over the course of over more than 140 meetings. Wednesday this season had taken points off clubs on the up like Birmingham, Wrexham, won away at Portsmouth etc. a record away win margin of victory is something to celebrate more than just another win. History has been made on that day.

 

[FMBlade1]

The thing is, how do we know what ‘state’ either club was in over the course of history when we played each other. Did Blades have to field a team of youths with an injury crisis or were the Owls affected by cholera one season and have to field a depleted side against us? The fact is no-one knows for sure over the course of over more than 140 meetings. Wednesday this season had taken points off clubs on the up like Birmingham, Wrexham, won away at Portsmouth etc. a record away win margin of victory is something to celebrate more than just another win. History has been made on that day.

Context is key when measuring achievements and of course it was not our fault that SWFC are so weak.

The fans and club historians are best placed to assess significance of previous games.

Yes the 2017 one was more impressive as we had just come up from league one, it led to the pendulum switching and they had a decent side.

Put it this way, is it more impressive beating Man U in 1999 1-0 or 4-0 (a record score) in 2025?

I'd argue the former, even though it's not a record score or particularly historically significant.

SWFC have not beaten us since 2012 over 7 games so it was not a surprise or great achievement by us that they didn't over the weekend.

 

[54yrblade]

Any win over S6 is good but, given the state they're in now, it won't live long in the memory. Akin to beating up a dog while it's down.

Made a decent after match pic though.

 

[Koh Samui Blade]

Imagine if pigs beat us.. they'd still be on Hillsborough corner now!

Most of them live there, didn't you see the sleeping bags and needles ?

 

[Valley Blade]

Context is key when measuring achievements and of course it was not our fault that SWFC are so weak.

The fans and club historians are best placed to assess significance of previous games.

Yes the 2017 one was more impressive as we had just come up from league one, it led to the pendulum switching and they had a decent side.

Put it this way, is it more impressive beating Man U in 1999 1-0 or 4-0 (a record score) in 2025?

I'd argue the former, even though it's not a record score or particularly historically significant.

SWFC have not beaten us since 2012 over 7 games so it was not a surprise or great achievement by us that they didn't over the weekend.

Context is not the key here. Its United v Wednesday in a football match. It doesn't matter on the circumstances of either team. Its just us against them. To win 3-0 is the biggest achievement, by an away team, in Sheffield football history. Its never been done before. That is context.

 

[FMBlade1]

Context is not the key here. Its United v Wednesday in a football match. It doesn't matter on the circumstances of either team. Its just us against them. To win 3-0 is the biggest achievement, by an away team, in Sheffield football history. Its never been done before. That is context.

It simply isn't.

Beating them 3-0 now isn't as big an achievement as beating them 4-2 in 2017.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

It simply isn't.

Beating them 3-0 now isn't as big an achievement as beating them 4-2 in 2017.

History books say different. Its a record.

 

[sufc323]

The thing is, I think the win was a great occasion and it was a fine performance but it wasn't some kind of great achievement by the players.

If Newcastle beat Sunderland 3-0 at the Stadium of Light no-one would say that was a great achievement and they wouldn't celebrate the same way with a team photo and this was similar.

SWFC are on their knees financially and their squad is desperately weak.

The 2017 result was much more impressive even though there was a one goal less winning margin.

See here’s the thing. Below is a team photo of Newcastle on the pitch in front of their fans after beating Sunderland 3-0 in the FA Cup when there was a division between the two teams.

 

[LBA_Blade]

On reflection I think staying on the pitch that long was a blessing in disguise. Prior to the match we were asked to stay in our seats until the Wed fans had left.
I didn't hear any announcement to that effect at the end of the match and if our players had left the pitch more quickly, our fans would have left their seats and been trapped in that dreadful concourse.
It was crowded enough prior to the game starting but could have been much worse later!

This is a very valid point! It's like an encore at the end of a comedy gig, even though everyone now expects it and that the x mins performance now includes the encore rather than x min performance plus encore. We couldn't go anywhere, why not allow the chance for some fan to player bonding even at a distance. Away at Oxford, the players and Wilder came over to the fans to celebrate the 1st win of the season, was that classed as "OTT" as we even had an exit door open there

 

[Valley Blade]

It simply isn't.

Beating them 3-0 now isn't as big an achievement as beating them 4-2 in 2017.

It is because its a record. Its never been done before. Our team just like Wednesday's is much worse than the 2017 version. We had gained 2 more points than them before Sunday. We had lost more games than any other team. Only 4 teams had failed to beat us. Only 2 places seperated us in the league. Anything that surpasses everything thats gone before it, is indisputably a historic achievement.

 

[FMBlade1]

See here’s the thing. Below is a team photo of Newcastle on the pitch in front of their fans after beating Sunderland 3-0 in the FA Cup when there was a division between the two teams.

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Fair play that's me told on that good research, and Newcastle do look silly there.

But as I said above it's an issue across all sports particularly in more recent years.

 

[FMBlade1]

History books say different. Its a record.

Record and achievement are two different things.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Record and achievement are two different things.

You need to stop taking TalkSport as inspiration.

 

[N20 Blade]

Ah no, respectfully you (and indeed many others) have misunderstood me- nowhere did I suggest they can't celebrate, I just think its there is a thing called moderation and it can get OTT.

For example the same thing was said when clubs would put out DVDs when they beat their rivals in a normal league game, if we did the same that would fall into that category.

Yes, cheer, applaud the fans etc. but taking photos like we won a trophy is a bit much.

Edit: With the Ashes there's a whole interesting discussion on that which probably shouldn't go here (though I appreciate I started it), let's just say I doubt the Aussies would have done the same thing had the roles been reversed.

Post Packer, the Australian team have and will never go 18 years (we won in 86/87) not winning the Ashes. But when they win, they still celebrate massively, even more so the Australian media do, too. Read the Australian press before and after the Perth debacle, it's incendiary and adds to the difficult nature of the tour. When they regain the Ashes in a few weeks, they will celebrate on the field, with their fans, just as we did on Sunday. Quite right too.

2005 was the last year cricket was on terrestrial TV, and free to watch for all. It was also the best summer since 1981, and there was a bond between the players and public, that is unlikely to ever be repeated. The fact that the streets were full of celebrating supporters confirms there was a collective feeling of euphoria.

I don't think your analogy works, but it's an interesting point, nevertheless.