Unpopular opinion: the celebrations were a bit OTT

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Booker4 said:
Bollocks. Sorry. But that's my thoughts. It's also, ironically, disrespectful to Wednesday who have took points off many sides this season.

You've got to also remember that this team is full of new players who have largely experi
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No offence taken- its what a football forum is for.

SWFC, as I have said previously, have shown much more fight and spirit this season than we have- which is to our shame.

As a general point which I've said several times; yes delighted to the win and cheered as much as everyone, but two things can be true at the same time- I think the celebrations from the management and players were a bit OTT.

This isn't unique to us, perhaps a newish thing in football as Roy Keane said about Villa in the OP. With that said, wouldn't imagine Bristol City doing the same after similar circumstances against Bristol Rovers etc.

Edit: The fans can celebrate as much as they want of course (don't need my permission ;) ) , its the players and management about which I am referring.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Absolutely. The gulf between us and them, is, and should be huge- if not even greater.

Therefore we should have expected to win yesterday (which is not the same as entitled to be clear).
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Erm, in 1998-99 Manchester United won the treble and Manchester City had just finished 3rd in what is now League One.

That level of dominance will never be seen in Sheffield.
 
FMBlade1 said:
(Putting this on a separate post so not to clog the main one up)

Yesterday sort of reminded me of this:



Yes we have had a miserable season, and if its good for morale then I'm all for it, but if we put in a dire performance against Portsmouth we will all feel a bit silly.

Delighted with the win, but with how weak they were, we should expect to win 'as standard'. They are a league one club, we are not (yet). Waddle, as much as we don't like him, was right- they had a threadbare squad. We should aspire to be more than simply being better than them.

Appreciate this will probably be very unpopular and I'm in a minority I know but it did seem a bit tinpot taking team photos (even if we did it last year) and took a tiny bit of the shine away.

We (players and management) should have just walked around applauding the fans as usual and make then head down the tunnel and focus on preparing for Portsmouth.
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Utter bollocks.
 
Dear me. I have read some drivel on here at times, but that opening post takes the biscuit.

We have just pumped our most hated rivals 3 nil on their own patch, a club who constantly try to belittle us and others with shouts of tinpot and sunday league (remember 2017?), a club who constantly try to cheat and then slither their way out of the shit when it goes wrong i.e. false backdated financial accounts, non trading companies sponsoring them, selling their ground to their then chairmans company at 3 times the value of the previous accounts, a club that had no shame when asking the FA for money after the Hillsborough disaster and starting again under a new company entity to wriggle out of any lawsuit, a club with fans who are beyond deluded and who used to grunt on endlessly about a derby win back in 1979 and at Wembley in 1993... a fan base that has some dickheads who like to pick on shirters outside BL on match day at kick off rather than acting the twat with like minded Blades hoolies on London Road, a club who always have the begging bowl out wanting others to pay for things rather than cutting back and economising like other clubs (United included) have over the years to balance the books. Basically a totally charmless club and fan base in every way. And we gave that pile of shit a real hiding in their own back yard (and remember some of the deluded did fancy their chances at 5 to 12 yesterday morning).

If people dont want to celebrate too much then thats up to them, but id suggest that they pipe down and let others celebrate as much as they like, others who know what a complete nob jockey that club is. I cannot tell you how utterly delighted i was yesterday and i celebrated wildly. I will continue to do so until our next game. We over celebrated...my arse.
 
What tripe.
We aspire to Lord it over them, that’s all.

It’s not a morality contest, which they would lose, too.
We’re not looking to do a Kenneth Williams style, “Ooohh, look at the state of that” because that’s their territory.

It’s all calculated to give them the maximum levels of despair.

They had a lift from the delusional notion that going into administration is a good thing, purely because they see the “shackles of Chansiri” being lifted as a huge positive.

They had a notion that their new found elation would somehow give them the edge in the derby vs their local rivals.

They had a notion that we were so low that this was their time to win a derby and gain some momentum.

Wilder praised their manager beforehand, citing the incredible job he’d done under such circumstances.

Now it’s all come crashing down for them.
They were shite
It could have been double.
They were schooled in their own back yard.
That sort of celebration will make them Seth and feel even worse, especially since it looks so hollow / takes the piss.

It’s actually fucking genius and a massive dig at them.

I fuckign love it 😊
 
There's more to those celebrations than meets the eye.

It was an opportunity for Chris to show the new lads what it means, what being together looks like as a squad and what is on offer should they succeed, in terms of the plaudits, praise and support of the fan base. He took that opportunity well.

That aside, spanking your neighbours 3-0 away in a derby is always a glorious day. They've not had much to cheer about as of late as a squad, as a fan base and as a club. It's something to use a stepping stone going into a busy set of fixtures.

Wendy's are the media sweethearts at the moment and have been pandered to for weeks on end. They'll use this as another opportunity to pop their arm round the old dying grandpa and pretend we were out of order.

Seems a lot of football supporters out there have gone a bit fickle, those who usually bang on about how the "games gone" too.

UTFB.
 



My counter argument apart from the just enjoy it etc, is from our side of things we got a glimpse behind the scenes the bants between Wilder and Bamford with us and how they got Cannon his moment to show I am back/here rounded off a good day. It was a game of football and needed to be won, it is always more than 3 points. The "fashionable derbies" Man Utd/City or Liverpool vs Everton since commercialisation of the Premier League, these are irrelevant now. We and they have players that are born and bred in Sheffield, come through the academies and are now playing for their own team, we have a manager who is a blade. It's not like we did a pitch invasion and punched an opposition player aka Notts Forest. On the post match interview, although he might not name them too much Wilder was very respectful of Wednesday and their struggles whilst also wanting to bring the interview back to how well we played.
 
I'd have been disappointed if there hadn't been celebrations like we saw yesterday.
Remember we're still in a relegation fight and Wilder is clever enough to know that good team moral and a sense of togetherness is vital over the next few weeks. Anything that encourages that is fine by me.

Also it's the pigs and we've just hammered them at the sty. Of course we celebrate to the max.

As for supporters of other clubs judging us ... I wonder if their club ever has an away league fixture of such significance that ex-players of their club (even those now playing with other clubs in the same division) actually attend with the fans in the away end.

It's not just another fixture. It never will be.
 
No winning for the players etc. If they didnt celebrate, then they'd be outrage from people saying no passion, they dont know what it means to us fans etc. If they celebrate then its over top and ridiculous as we are bottom 3 still mid season.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Yes its not quite the same, but we are, or should be lightyears ahead of SWFC.

We were on the verge of making the PL in May, they are in administration and about to go down to league one.

We have been dreadful and shameful this season and should be a bit more humble in accepting that throughout the majority of the season they have shown more fight than we have in relation to ability and resources.

The fact so many of us did not expect to win yesterday is a reflection of how embarrassing we have been. I hope we have turned a corner but there is a heck of a long way to go.

To be clear- celebrating is fine but it was a bit OTT yesterday posing for photos staying on for so long at the end etc.
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Acknowledge the points you've made FMB, but I'd rather have spent 15 minutes celebrating like we did, rather than being held back outside for 15 - 20 minutes in the pissing rain by South Yorkshire's finest, while the pigs made their way home.

OTT ? maybe
Enjoyable? Not half, I'd have stayed another hour if we'd been allowed to. Let's enjoy these days eh?
 
On a serious note there was an interesting thought in the rugby yesterday that actually makes sense in this context.

Over the last 5 or so years, some England players have become famous for celebrating minor things like knock-ons and scrum penalties etc. This has irked a lot of other fans in other countries.

Recently, it has been noticed that whilst we have been winning more games those players have celebrated far less and been very much "next job".

That was until late yesterday when the game was getting tough, it was as though they needed to celebrate get the energy levels back up.

Had we been at the top of the league I'd imagine it would be far more "next job", but right now we need that spark of energy.
 
Weasel said:
Dear me. I have read some drivel on here at times, but that opening post takes the biscuit.

If people dont want to celebrate too much then thats up to them, but id suggest that they pipe down and let others celebrate as much as they like, others who know what a complete nob jockey that club is. I cannot tell you how utterly delighted i was yesterday and i celebrated wildly. I will continue to do so until our next game. We over celebrated...my arse.
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You clearly didn't read what I said.

I said that the fans can celebrate as much as they want obviously, but the players and management's celebrations were a bit OTT on the day taking team photos as if we'd won a trophy.

Roy Keane would agree with me.
 
Edit:

The OP is from the same lines as another point of view- that our open-top bus parade when we got promoted from League One was excessive.
 
FMBlade1 said:
(Putting this on a separate post so not to clog the main one up)

Yesterday sort of reminded me of this:



Yes we have had a miserable season, and if its good for morale then I'm all for it, but if we put in a dire performance against Portsmouth we will all feel a bit silly.

Delighted with the win, but with how weak they were, we should expect to win 'as standard'. They are a league one club, we are not (yet). Waddle, as much as we don't like him, was right- they had a threadbare squad. We should aspire to be more than simply being better than them.

Appreciate this will probably be very unpopular and I'm in a minority I know but it did seem a bit tinpot taking team photos (even if we did it last year) and took a tiny bit of the shine away.

We (players and management) should have just walked around applauding the fans as usual and make then head down the tunnel and focus on preparing for Portsmouth.
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Campbell said it right after the game. The gaffer doesn’t need to drill into them the importance of this game, the players get it.

The prep was right, the tactics were right and we executed it perfectly.

You could wonder why they don’t get it right every game but on the flip side if they weren’t up for this one then we’d be questioning the entire club once again.

So perhaps the big photo was a bit much for some but who cares, it’s a big win against our rival. There isn’t another rival that compares for both clubs. So why not remember it?
 
I get that the coaching staff and players have been poor all season. Yes the Pigs prior to yesterday have shown more fight than we have. Yes they've done well in difficult circumstances a fact acknowledged by our Manager post match but the OP completely misses the point of the celebrations by the team.

Yesterday was a season defining day for all of them. Lose to our hated neighbours and continue with the abject performances and tactics and many would have been signing their own P45's. Pressure would have increased on CW to go and the atmosphere at BDTBL would have been toxic.

We put in our best performance of the season. Controlled the game from start to finish. Should have won by more and set a new Derby record. Don't believe the counter argument they were a collection of young kids and has beens. I've watched them a few times. They went away to our next opponents Pompey and won. They have given a good account of themselves in nearly all their games a fact acknowledged by their supporters post match as they scratched their heads trying to work out why they didn't turn up.

Yet of more importance than personal pride was the message the result sent out to to S6 and their media darlings. The myth that the Real Madrid of the North were back was confined to the dustbin. It was so easy it was embarrassing. No cauldron of noise it went quiet after 11 minutes. They did however achieve once again the record for emptying a ground the quickest when our third went in. The chant if you don't bounce then your a Blade came from our supporters not theirs lol. Didn't sell out all their tickets which hurts just as much as the result.

So yes I was delighted as a Blade to see us rubbing their noses in it after we had burst the we are on our way back bubble. It sent a message out that the top team in Sheffield continues to be red and white. 46 league wins to your 37 time for you to play catch up.

If you've grown up on a Sheffield council estate where the majority of bullies and loud mouths in the local pubs tended to be Pigs and your other half relations are of the same persuasion its moments like yesterday that have to be savoured. I just can't fathom any Blade wanting to suggest that celebrations are over the top. It just feeds pig narratives as they look to the rest of the football world to support their warped logic.
 
GrunkyPeep said:
On a serious note there was an interesting thought in the rugby yesterday that actually makes sense in this context.

Over the last 5 or so years, some England players have become famous for celebrating minor things like knock-ons and scrum penalties etc. This has irked a lot of other fans in other countries.

Recently, it has been noticed that whilst we have been winning more games those players have celebrated far less and been very much "next job".

That was until late yesterday when the game was getting tough, it was as though they needed to celebrate get the energy levels back up.

Had we been at the top of the league I'd imagine it would be far more "next job", but right now we need that spark of energy.
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England rugby players have always been quite reserved in their celebrations in the past. They have new talent coming through now and you have players making it more interesting by saying fuck it "I am just going to go for a drop goal". Why not celebrate a try? you have to do a lot of work to break lines just to get it.
 



FMBlade1 said:
You clearly didn't read what I said.

I said that the fans can celebrate as much as they want obviously, but the players and management's celebrations were a bit OTT on the day taking team photos as if we'd won a trophy.

Roy Keane would agree with me.
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But he his still stuck in the 90's along with Waddle and half the other commentators that haven't a clue. In Rugby Union a derby as big as this (too the fans in particular) have trophy's to play for, in Rugby Union England vs Scotland has a trophy even though it is part of a bigger competition. Same with Edinburgh vs Glasgow, even at semi pro level there is a Yorkshire trophy when there are enough teams to play for it in the same league. Although we don't need a "steel city cup" it is celebrated as such.
 
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