How much influence are you happy for AI to have?

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alcoblade said:
No.. I'm a million miles from being ITK. I've recently come across some very significant chunks of information, from an extremely trustworthy source. It doesn't go into fine detail, and it wasn't the point of the thread, though hearing it sparked the questions in the OP. With hindsight I should have left it out.
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Always better that they are trustworthy. We’ve seen some right bullshitters on here.

Sad to see the new tight lipped ship at BL has been holed beneath the water line so quickly.
 

alcoblade said:
I think I got that message from you 25 posts ago. :)
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I don't think AI had as much influence as you think. I think that you are correct in that Wilder initially identified him as a target. If AI had any involvement it would have been stats related, I don't believe the signing was as 'AI Driven' as you think
 
alcoblade said:
We are doing, and it's telling them to play him. :)

It's got to be very tough for the coaches to stand aside, and the players pushed out of position by someone who right now they all believe is inferior to them.

It's going to take some mindset shift, but that's the way it's going.
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Respect for your posts and info and only time will tell

Are you 100% certain there was no agenda behind the info you have seen?
 
alcoblade said:
No.. I'm a million miles from being ITK. I've recently come across some very significant chunks of information, from an extremely trustworthy source. It doesn't go into fine detail, and it wasn't the point of the thread, though hearing it sparked the questions in the OP. With hindsight I should have left it out.
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Probably would have been wise, though the temptation to share the little titbits of insider info must get a bit strong I imagine to those that get them.
 
Sean Thornton said:
4th Feb Bettis spoke to RS about our signings. Despite one poster claiming SB said Cannon was AI driven, he said no such thing. He spoke about the two AI signings for the two wingers but there was no mention of that re Cannon. So in effect unless the club verify it, no one knows either way.
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El Accounto has been the one claiming the Cannon signing was AI driven. That's despite Wilder saying himself that Cannon was someone he had been looking at for a long time.
 
I've heard, on good authority, from sauces I can't reveal, it will be 100% AI .

COH will just sit back and relax and come back in 5 years and cash in on the Champions League Blades. Selles just a glorified kit man really.
 
robbiez666 said:
Can fans who don't understand the whole AI thing use Google to discover what data driven recruitment at clubs like Brentford and Brighton looks like?
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Why do that?

Its much better having a full on meltdown 😁.

These people who have the bravado to come on here and suggest such things that might help people understand, need to be taken off the forum 😂
 
This AI is everywhere. I can get on my iPhone, I have no idea what it is, though, so I won't use it.
 
alcoblade said:
No.. I'm a million miles from being ITK. I've recently come across some very significant chunks of information, from an extremely trustworthy source. It doesn't go into fine detail, and it wasn't the point of the thread, though hearing it sparked the questions in the OP. With hindsight I should have left it out.
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But I don't know what form of AI is being used, so it's all irrelevant 😂👍
 
alcoblade said:
But I don't know what form of AI is being used, so it's all irrelevant 😂👍
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Precisely!

The fact you keep using the umbrella term "AI" is a red flag in itself but given most peoples knowledge of "AI" right now seems to be LLMs or snake oil, I'm not trusting anyone's opinion that cant articulate the tech or branch of AI used.
 
I can already hear the bloke in the pub moaning about "All this AI crap" after our first defeat of the season.
 

alcoblade said:
That's not to say that Wilder would himself have agreed to meet their valuation, but yes you're right only time will tell if it's a good price.

My overall concern isn't based around this signing, though I fear we've had our pants pulled down.
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I checked Cannons record before we signed him. He'd basically done nothing apart from an half decent season with Stoke. I couldn't understand why we paid what we did.

If it was based on some kind of fetishtic attachment to AI, that's an explanation, but given his performances so far, I'm doubting working via AI is not exactly superior to judging a player on his record.

Similar approach to the appointment of Selles. Mediocre record but apparently computer says "yes"...
 
programmechap said:
I checked Cannons record before we signed him. He'd basically done nothing apart from an half decent season with Stoke. I couldn't understand why we paid what we did.

If it was based on some kind of fetishtic attachment to AI, that's an explanation, but given his performances so far, I'm doubting working via AI is not exactly superior to judging a player on his record.

Similar approach to the appointment of Selles. Mediocre record but apparently computer says "yes"...
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I suppose if you're handing some things over to an AI model (whatever term you're supposed to use :)) then it's going to come up with some things that don't seem very obvious to normal human judgement?
 
alcoblade said:
I suppose if you're handing some things over to an AI model (whatever term you're supposed to use :)) then it's going to come up with some things that don't seem very obvious to normal human judgement?
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Was it not "human judgement" that came up with wishing to sign Cannon in the first place?
 
I don't want it to be the be all and end all but it can provide a steer and another viewpoint.

It can pull out what we're looking for based on certain criteria and can allow us to be more targeted and identify players who would have been way off our radar before i.e. anywhere other than the Championship or League One.

The stats all need taking in context and if we can do that, we could be onto a winner. We don't want any more Tom Cannons, based on last season.
 
I get Tom Cannon was a dissapointment given that we paid for him, but he never really got a run of starts in the team. He often played up top on his own when he's better suited as part of a front two. In addition to that when he did come on as a sub it was often when we were ahead and Wilder had reverted to type and had decided to defend the lead, resisting in less attacking impetus.

On top of this the lad is only 22. He's still got time to develop. There are other players his age in the squad who have done well, and others like Brooks, Peck and Seriki who have been very hit and miss. Ndiaye was 23 when he broke into the first team.

Femi Seriki 22
Andre Brooks 21
Ollie Arblaster 21
Tom Cannon 22
Sydie Peck 20

Personally I'd like to see what Selles can do with him before we write him off entirely. It's not his fault we paid so much for him.
 
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GrunkyPeep said:
Precisely!

The fact you keep using the umbrella term "AI" is a red flag in itself but given most peoples knowledge of "AI" right now seems to be LLMs or snake oil, I'm not trusting anyone's opinion that cant articulate the tech or branch of AI used.
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Thank you!

Most laypeople seem to assume COH's just asking ChatGPT who to sign- not the case at all (I fucking hope).
 
alcoblade said:
We're using AI way beyond selection of potential transfer targets. I think people will be surprised (some excited, some terrified) by how far it will go beyond that.

Regarding transfers I'm "fairly certain" that the "computer says yes" answer has led us to pay way over the odds for at least one player.

Regarding team selection - it's already influencing matters. The selection of the managerial post has and will determine how far that goes.
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AI is superb for creating athletes , getting physical details to reach a peak, but can it trap a ball or make a tackle
scouts and coaches look at stuff that figures cant , awareness, natural ability reading the play

wouldnt surprise me that if AI were used early seventies Tony Currie would get dropped for slack training numbers
expected goals show data isnt perfect , if you have a really good coch you win things , having great body fat numbers you just look good in a mirror
 
blade too long said:
AI is superb for creating athletes , getting physical details to reach a peak, but can it trap a ball or make a tackle
scouts and coaches look at stuff that figures cant , awareness, natural ability reading the play

wouldnt surprise me that if AI were used early seventies Tony Currie would get dropped for slack training numbers
expected goals show data isnt perfect , if you have a really good coch you win things , having great body fat numbers you just look good in a mirror
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Puskas might be podgy but he was world class
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blade too long said:
AI is superb for creating athletes , getting physical details to reach a peak, but can it trap a ball or make a tackle
scouts and coaches look at stuff that figures cant , awareness, natural ability reading the play

wouldnt surprise me that if AI were used early seventies Tony Currie would get dropped for slack training numbers
expected goals show data isnt perfect , if you have a really good coch you win things , having great body fat numbers you just look good in a mirror
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I was reading that Brighton have released all their scouts - one way or another, their data led model is working for them.
 
As a very low level example, Football/Championship manager has been using it for years (along with scouts) and they have quite regularly pointed out futures stars.

Their model will be nowhere near what professional clubs use and they still pick out great prospects.
 

alcoblade said:
I was reading that Brighton have released all their scouts - one way or another, their data led model is working for them.
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and I read this bit in the Guardian

A record-breaking outlay of almost £200m last summer made Brighton the biggest net spenders in Europe

its amazing how AI can relate spending the most gets better players, how did it work that out, its magical
 
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